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AirTran President Voices Interest In Love Field  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Courtesy: Dallas Morning News

AirTran president voices interest in Love

By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News

Gist of Story:

AirTran Airways Inc. president and chief operating officer Robert Fornaro told investors Tuesday that his carrier would have considerable interest in flying from Dallas Love Field if the Wright amendment were repealed.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s/072605dnbusairtran.10e9ed81.html

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5961 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

What?
Aren't they struggling at DFW? Wouldn't DAL be harder? Isn't there a gate issue at DAL also?



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User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

when I read this I said..."Oh God!" This whole Love Field saga has gotten way out of hand and this will make it much worse. My stand is in favor of WN, but I don't know if FL going to DAL will help or hurt either airline.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3692 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4571 times:
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If the facility fees are lower at Love then why not move? This is a lot like SEA vs. BFI


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User currently offlineSWALoveField From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Love is a great airport. I'd love the addition of another option on another carrier at Love. Come on over AirTran!

www.setlovefree.com

Robb
Dallas, TX


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 3):
This is a lot like SEA vs. BFI

AirTran should consider joining WN at BFI as well. I wonder if Seatac's
high costs have been a factor in FL not flying to a good business and
leisure market that SEA is.



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User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

I say "MORE POWER TO FL," if they see green by transferring their services to DAL, I say hell yeah. The DFW Airport Board and AA have made their beds, now they have to lie in it. The first thing I thought of was the WN move at SEA. If it's in their better interests to move, go for it. At the end of the day, the bottom line is $$$. bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting N276AASTT (Reply 6):
I say "MORE POWER TO FL," if they see green by transferring their services to DAL, I say hell yeah. The DFW Airport Board and AA have made their beds, now they have to lie in it.

I love how people talk about this like AA and DFW are the greedy ones and that Southwest is the victim. Maybe people need to start reseraching the history of the Wright Ammendement, issues such as the fact that Southwest created their Dallas Love operation under full awareness of that it existed, before trashing everybody else.

I support the Wright Ammendment being abolished, I think it is pointless and unfair to the consumer. However, Southwest isn't that innocent either.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4972 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Well.........

Non Cynical Bill thinks that Fornaro correctly likes the idea of Love's proximity to downtown Dallas and the wealthy enclaves of Dallas's Park Cities, and maybe more importantly the relative ease with which one can tool around Love from the runway to the jetway, therefore not having to contend with all the crap that slows things down at DFW.

Cynical Bill, however, knows a thing or two that makes him think Non Cynical Bill is too...well...gullible. Cynical Bill knows that DFW has excellent all-weather landing capabilities, and if you aren't flying in alongside a particular airline's complexes, the place seems practically deserted. If you're flying into a non-AA terminal, you taxi right over to your gate, no sweat, and don't have to sit in the horrible Penalty Box unless you can't get a departure clearance for some reason (like, say, weather at ATL). So DFW, centrally-located, convenient-as-long-as-you're-not-flying-AA, and with open, unhindered approaches, ain't so bad a place to fly to. Cynical Bill remembers when once upon a time a man named Robert Crandall, then a chairman of a very big AAirline, publicly said something to the effect of, "Hey, we don't care if they lift the ban at Love. We'll just fly there, too. Matter of fact, we have the complexes all set up and ready to go," suggesting that they'd do as many flights as WN, and maybe more. Methinks that was total BS, but Crandall well knew that if he made it sound like they'd DOUBLE the number of flights at Love, Dallasites would scream bloody murder, which they did. And the repeal-Wright movement went back to sleep.

Fornaro may have that kind of reason to make that statement. Fact is, many, many, many fliers in the Metroplex find DFW a far more convenient place to reach than they do Love. Airtran would be flying to Atlanta and maybe to LA, Vegas, SF, Baltimore, etc. No major advantage to doing that from Love, especially when Southwest would be directly competing with their fares. Wouldn't it be better to keep the thousand-pound gorilla of low-fare airlines locked in it's little hovel across town, whence it can't fly to anywhere that Airtran presently flies from DFW? Opening Love Field opens WN nonstops to anywhere Airtran presently flies from DFW, and anywhere it would want to fly. Hmmmm....would Fornaro prefer (a) to be the most successful low-fare carrier at DFW, to LA, SF, LAS, BWI, ATL, but not be able to get into Love? or (b) a head-to-head competitor to The Airline That LUV Built, on its own turf, where the only competitor is another LOW fare carrier rather than a HIGH-cost major, and from where Southwest can now fly to any Airtran city? He's way too successful a businessman to invite competition he doesn't need. Right now, he's got very fine loads from DFW to the cities he's serving, and folks clamoring for more flights and more routes. So maybe he remembers how succesful Crandall was in saying that he's ready to open up and expand away at Love. But that's Cynical Bill talking.

On the other hand, the guy was ready to go head-to-head with WN at Midway, so maybe he's crazier than I thought.

Best,

Bill

[Edited 2005-07-27 03:37:07]

[Edited 2005-07-27 03:43:14]

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11143 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
Non Cynical Bill thinks that Fornaro correctly likes the idea of Love's proximity to downtown Dallas and the wealthy enclaves of Dallas' Park Cities

If the "wealthy enclaves of Dallas' Park Cities" are the customers that FL, and WN for that matter, are going after with this push to open up Love, then I think they are barking up the wrong tree.

Those enclaves are, in fact, so wealthy, that I highly doubt too many of them will be defecting to FL or WN to fly in coach to BWI. Those customers much prefer their First Class seat on flights to DCA, just to extend the analogy. And, as to the difference in proximity of Love and DFW to downtown -- yes, it is true that Love is about half as far as DFW, I really don't see too many of these people in the "wealthy enclaves of Dallas' Park Cities" minding the extra 15 minutes in their Mercedes or Lexus.

If FL (and, again, WN) are going after middle class flyers in north and south Dallas who are flying predominantly to big cities like LAX or MCO mostly for leisure, and that don't already have AAdvantage accounts, that's one thing. But if FL thinks that they can really generate too much premium traffic from the wealthy in north Dallas, I think they are mistaken. Just my $.02.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Pleased AirTran says Wright is WRONG. Suppose they are tired of being #56 in line to take off behind 55 silver birds.

 spin 


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
I love how people talk about this like AA and DFW are the greedy ones and that Southwest is the victim.

In the context of what the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 was supposed to accomplish (which it hasn't fully In North Texas due Wright), there are passengers out there who feel -they- are the true victims for having to pay the fare premium that they do....


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):

In the context of what the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 was supposed to accomplish (which it hasn't fully In North Texas due Wright), there are passengers out there who feel -they- are the true victims for having to pay the fare premium that they do....

The Wright Ammendement is not 100% to blame for this. Any airline is free to fly to DFW and bring lower fares, including Southwest. It's not anybody's fault they don't.

That aside, the Wright Ammendent is unfair, it does limit consumer choice, and it should be appealed, but don't the conception that the Wright Ammendment is "AA's fault" and that DFW has high fares only because of AA is just wrong. DFW has high fares because when other airlines come to DFW and try to steal passengers away, consumers, faced with a new choice, still decide to fly AA and not the new airline. AA is not to blame.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 8):
a man named Robert Crandall, then a chairman of a very big AAirline, publicly said something to the effect of, "Hey, we don't care if they lift the ban at Love. We'll just fly there, too.

Isn’t that bad for the environment?  footinmouth 

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
there are passengers out there who feel -they- are the true victims for having to pay the fare premium that they do....

Not just in North Texas, but those wishing (or needing) to go there.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
Those enclaves are, in fact, so wealthy, that I highly doubt too many of them will be defecting to FL or WN to fly in coach to BWI.

People that are wealthy didn’t get that way buy purchasing First Class fares on 3-hour hops. They got there by being smart. They are smart enough to know how to upgrade (FL Business cabin).  Wink

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):

If FL (and, again, WN) are going after middle class flyers in north and south Dallas who are flying predominantly to big cities like LAX or MCO mostly for leisure

Take any of those 60+ flights between DAL and HOU. Do a survey of how many are on business vs. how many are leisure. After all, their slogan “The Company Plane” didn’t mean Three’s Company contrary to popular belief.  Wink

Spend some time among high income movers and shakers (I’m not talking about upper-middle class self important yuppies). You’d be surprised how many actually fly on SWA.

And that was prior to LUV fattening their portfolio.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
FL

Keep in mind, DFW has a large amount of SkyMiles members. SkyMiles members are sour toward DL; not only for dropping the DFW hub operation, but for DL’s devaluation of SkyMiles a few years ago (MQMs, etc).


User currently onlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4467 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

I wonder if Bill's right about AirTran's motive. It seems to me that DAL would be very unsuited to AirTran's Metroplex operation (or that of just about any other carrier than WN and CO who are there, and AA). AirTran has access to all the gate space they want at DFW's E terminal, and a central location that is better suited to a carrier that needs only one station in the Metroplex.

Unless the costs of operating were significantly less at DAL, it's not clear to me why AirTran would want to fly there. Who wants to fight for a few of those precious 32 gates, whose number is capped by the Master Plan, when WN and AA will easily be able to, and want to, fill the remaining gates by themselves? Who wants to get caught between them in the process of assigning DAL gates?

Jim


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11143 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 13):
People that are wealthy didn’t get that way buy purchasing First Class fares on 3-hour hops. They got there by being smart. They are smart enough to know how to upgrade (FL Business cabin).

Comparing the FL Business cabin to AA First is not really a fair comparison. On most of the flights in question here (LAX, BWI, etc.), AA offers a meal in F while FL doesn't in C. In addition, AA can take these customers -- upgrade or revenue -- to places FL never could, like 777 Flagship Suites to London and Tokyo, like three daily nonstop flights to Hawaii, like RJs to dozens of cities across the U.S. I agree completely -- the people in the Park Cities are smart with their travel. However, I personally just don't think that they have the same priorities as the average traveler. Such a wealthy community of people are probably more concerned about good schedules (high frequency), First Class, flights around the world, and an FF program that can get you just about anywhere. In that department, AA wins on every count and FL can't compete on anything but fares, which -- I think we can all agree -- are not as much of a concern for these people as they are for the average passenger.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 13):
You’d be surprised how many actually fly on SWA.

I am not disputing that millions of business travelers and high-end customers per year all fly on WN. Of course they do, as WN has great schedules and awesome customer service. It's a great airline. That being said, however, I think that if you surveyed the "wealthy enclaves of Dallas' Park Cities" as to whether they were AAdvantage members or RapidRewards members, I am guessing that most likely more would choose AA. WN, and FL if it has the opportunity and desire to enter DAL, still can't offer customers dozens of convenient flights per day to business cities like MIA, LGA and DCA, and can't take you to Europe, Hawaii or pretty much anywhere else outside the U.S.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9239 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 14):
Unless the costs of operating were significantly less at DAL, it's not clear to me why AirTran would want to fly there. Who wants to fight for a few of those precious 32 gates, whose number is capped by the Master Plan, when WN and AA will easily be able to, and want to, fill the remaining gates by themselves? Who wants to get caught between them in the process of assigning DAL gates?

then perhaps everyone needs to read this the other way of what you wrote. the idea isn't Wright goes away and Love Field becomes Southwest and AA fighting over gates. the idea i see AirTran trying to get the ball rolling is, Wright goes away and let the lawsuits begin over carriers wanting equal opportunity access. for every new airline that wants to come into Love, that's one or two less gates for Southwest. the numbers grow and sooner or later, Southwest isn't going to have too many gates left. the master plan goes away with forced airport expansion, airport costs go up, and then it just becomes more feasible for Southwest to head over to DFW to begin with.


this echo's Boeing7E7's sentiments with the trickle down effect of what would happen to BFI following Alaska's announcement to add 100 flights in response to Southwest's zany-not-a-snowball's-chance-in-hell proposal of building facilities at the BFI complex.



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User currently offlineMidway2AirTran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

I hope this fuels the war to end the Wright further. It will help these efficent and prosperous airlines that need it. Sooner the better! IMO DAL would also be far better suited for AirTran and its ops, so Robert Fornaro's quoting almost doesn't suprise me.

The gates are clearing with the cuts from Delta and the possiblity of AirTran exiting. Anyone next?
This now creates a great opportunity for AA to expand their DFW super hub so all benefit!  Wink "sarcasm"



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5396 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Maybe people need to start reseraching the history of the Wright Ammendement, issues such as the fact that Southwest created their Dallas Love operation under full awareness of that it existed, before trashing everybody else.

WN began operations in 1971, the Wright Amendment was created eight years later, in 1979. There was no "full awareness" of legislation which did not then exist.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11143 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4084 times:

IMO, if Wright is repealed, I envision:

* WN will immediately load into their schedules about 50 daily flights from DAL to BWI, LAS, LAX, MCO, MDW and PHX, and perhaps a few other big WN stations

* AA will then immediately drop all of its fares from DFW on comporable routes to match WN's pricing structure

* AA will also immediately file suit in federal court trying to get an injunction to block WN's new longhaul flights from DAL until they can be provided with adequate terminal and facility space of equal value to WN's gates at DAL, even if it requires amending the DAL master plan

* The wrangling in court will ensue for a while, and ultimately AA, WN and the City of Dallas will come to some sort of a compromise by which AA will agree to occupy all six gates in the former Legend terminal in return for some sort of facility and/or frequency cap on WN's DAL longhaul flying

* AA will spend 30-60 days getting the Legend terminal back up to speed and then initiate approximately 25-50 daily flights from there to a few cities of its own -- my guesses: DCA, LAX, LGA, MIA and ORD, plus perhaps a few others; as a result, AA's DFW operation will probably lose 25-50 daily departures, all mainline

* Other airlines (my guesses: FL and DL) will try to get space at DAL, only to find that pretty much all the real estate worth claiming has already been taken

* Ultimately, DAL will become an operational and competitive duopoloy, with WN and AA fighting for passengers with low fares, and all the other airlines staying at DAL


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 18):
WN began operations in 1971, the Wright Amendment was created eight years later, in 1979. There was no "full awareness" of legislation which did not then exist.

I should have used a better choice of words, I meant created as in over time. Why didn't Southwest make a big deal about it in 1979? They basicly agreed to the terms set when it was enacted in 1979. Why didn't they follow everybody else to DFW? Why did they allow themselves to build-up Love all well knowing the restrictions. In 1989 Herb Kelleher was even quoted as saying
"Operationally, it's extremely difficult, but I pledged we wouldn't seek to overturn it."



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9239 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
* Other airlines (my guesses: FL and DL) will try to get space at DAL, only to find that pretty much all the real estate worth claiming has already been taken

reply #16



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

As mentioned a coupla times above, it's clearly just a ploy to KEEP the W.A. in place. Just gives more fuel for DFW to point and say "LOOK, we'll lose promising new LCC competition here!!!. AirTran WANTS a fence around Southwest at DAL whilst they build up DFW. If that means being sneaky about they way they go about it, so be it.....to openly support the W.A. would only show that they don't want any LCC competition on the longer flights either....

Travis


User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Any airline is free to fly to DFW and bring lower fares, including Southwest. It's not anybody's fault they don't.

How are they supposed to do that with DFW's operating costs being higher than DAL's. Bigger airport, longer taxi times = slower turn around rates. Exactly the opposite of what WN is known for.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Why didn't they follow everybody else to DFW? Why did they allow themselves to build-up Love all well knowing the restrictions.

Sure they could've moved like everybody else, then we wouldn't be having this discussion now. But, then again, AA could've stayed at DAL and stuck it out like WN did. Who knows where we would be now if they did.



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
AA will spend 30-60 days getting the Legend terminal back up to speed and then initiate approximately 25-50 daily flights from there to a few cities of its own -- my guesses: DCA, LAX, LGA, MIA and ORD, plus perhaps a few others; as a result, AA's DFW operation will probably lose 25-50 daily departures, all mainline

Aren't the jetbridges at the Legend terminal only designed to accomidate DC-9s?? In theory an MD-80 should work, yes?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Why didn't they follow everybody else to DFW?

Since they were goverened by the CAB, they didn't "have to." Great being an intra-state airline only in the 70's, huh  Wink

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
for every new airline that wants to come into Love, that's one or two less gates for Southwest.

WN can only have a fixed amount of gates at DAL...

Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
airport costs go up, and then it just becomes more feasible for Southwest to head over to DFW to begin with.

I highly doubt that costs can raise that much in only a few yrs.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
Ultimately, DAL will become an operational and competitive duopoloy, with WN and AA fighting for passengers with low fares, and all the other airlines staying at DAL

I'm assuming you meant to say "other airlines staying at DFW" Personally, I don't think AA will purge DAL to match WN pound for pound ASAP, too much expansion...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Why didn't Southwest make a big deal about it in 1979?

They weren't as big  Wink


25 STLGph : exactly. but they will even then be squeezed out by the other carriers wanting in. see Boeing7E7's discussion about Alaska Air's announcement regardi
26 Commavia : DFW is much bigger, yes, but I doubt the taxi times are that much longer than DAL -- maybe a few minutes if you land on an outer runway. As someone e
27 MAH4546 : DAL growth will logically come at the expense of DFW.
28 Post contains links Aaway : The former Legend terminal is a non-starter. Though incorporated into the DAL Masterplan as one of the facilities available for occupancy, the fact o
29 Jdaniel001 : The Legend Terminal will handle all narrowbody equipment except for buses and the 757. If everyone thinks that by moving to DAL, they will get reduce
30 Post contains images Nosedive : But there's also places like BNA, MDW-granted Chicago, LAS, PHX, OAK, BWI.... and as has already been noted: Looking at AA's history, esp the BNA and
31 AirFrnt : I don't know where you are reading your history, but it's wrong. Southwest existed before the Wright Admendment and in fact, it existed before DFW ex
32 STLGph : they would only fly against Southwest or other routes where necessary. if they pull equipment from other cities, if there's no need to compete, they'
33 N77014 : No. they are going after the business commuter from DAL-HOU, MSY,SAT, AUS who find DFW inefficient for a short flight and AA's walkup too costly for
34 Commavia : While I agree that the Legend terminal is less than ideal for the size of operations AA could potentially operate out of DAL in a post-Wright world,
35 Aaway : No. AA paid to refurb that portion of the East Concourse. The three gates you're referring to are/were jetway equipped. AFAIK, the improvements are s
36 Post contains links and images PHLBOS :    I meant to say this on a past W/S A thread, but Jim Wright was not the Speaker of the House at the time W.A. was enacted. Rep. Thomas P. (Tip) O
37 AirFrnt : Yep. Sorry. I think he was majority leader (or whip at that point). My bad. Anyway you look at it, he was wicked powerful.
38 Post contains links Aaway : "Southwest was struggling under constant lawsuit after lawsuit from AA." Quite a revisionist take on things. Here, have a look at this: http://www.ju
39 Pope : On what basis? Once the Wright Amendment disappears, there would be no impediment for WN to fly wherever it wants.
40 Boeing7E7 : For starters, the FAA assumed the role of CAB, so the FAA is still entrusted with the Authority CAB had. It' snot as iff the function disappeared. Ma
41 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Maybe it’s because SWA commenced service to New Orleans in 1979 and American got scared so their friend (a Congressman) got involved and tacked on
42 STLGph : it has nothing to do with American getting "scared." it's called "stop the bullshit." American was already playing by the rules and was at DFW just l
43 Boeing7E7 : Maybe it was to end years of litigation. Which was the real reason.
44 Post contains images AirRyan : I think ATA should buck the trend and go for say Austin or San Antonio instead!
45 AirTran737 : I think that we should leave DAL the Hell alone. I don't think that Fornaro realizes what will happen if the WA is repealed. WN will dump flights into
46 STLGph : reply #16
47 Post contains images OPNLguy : Ironically, it's what -started- the BS.....
48 Indy : Is the interest in DFW for FL a geographic one, one of market size, or both? Or (a less likely scenario I think) that they are wanting to stir up trou
49 STLGph : no, the BS began when Southwest wanted to play cry baby and wouldn't go play in the big pig pen like everyone else.
50 Indy : I have only been to DFW one time. I just don't see how the layout could be favorable to a LCC. The plane I was on landed on a far runway and it seemed
51 Post contains images OPNLguy : Nah, just a business decision, and a pretty sound one at that....
52 Aaway : Just another long, tall Texas tale. Nah, the opposition were Dallas, Fort Worth, and the DFW board. AA was still "Yankee" based and still primarily o
53 Vctony : Actually, according to AA's website, they became Texas based in 1979.
54 PlanesNTrains : It's a ploy, IMHO. Like said by others in this thread and elsewhere (i.e. Boeing7E7), if the law says that equal access is required, then it behooves
55 STLGph : thank you Dave for being one of the few to realize this. ding!
56 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Quoting Aaway (Reply 35)What could possibly prevent AA from using these gates is the fact that AA never received a waiver from the City of Dallas to a
57 Aaway : LSM, Yes, I recall the posturing of AA over those gates. AA had proceeded, without requisite approvals, to refurbish those gates. AA had wanted the Da
58 2H4 : WN wasn't playing by the rules? Exactly what laws were broken? Please enlighten us. 2H4
59 STLGph : yes. get the heck out of Love and move over to DFW after a nice new shiny airport was built for everyone to enjoy. but they had to go crybaby to the
60 2H4 : You mentioned "rules" being broken. How are your "rules" different than laws? 2H4
61 STLGph : 1. DFW opens. 2. everyone moves over. 3. Love Field goes to general aviation but again, Southwest had to play hissy fit. same manner in which your mo
62 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I would have to agree completely. Anything to take out the congestion a little at DFW and increase DAL is good news to me! Good luck to FL! Cheers!
63 Post contains images 2H4 : What world are you living in? Let me know, because I'd love to live in a place where agreements worth billions of dollars are agreed upon without all
64 STLGph : okay, so what you just said was entirely pointless and didn't make any sense. but hey, that's ok. instead, let's all write haiku, shall we? With Big
65 Post contains images 2H4 : Likewise. 2H4
66 STLGph : well, yeah, i just thought i'd follow this new trend of absolutely nothing. but if you ever wish to go back and research North Texas Air Transportatio
67 2H4 : I'd simply like to know what contracts were signed by WN, agreeing to: If you can provide a link to these documents, it would be greatly appreciated.
68 Indy : I think he was using that as an example.
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