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BMI Drop Washington, Cancel St Lucia For 7 Wks  
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

BD have dropped IAD from end of the summer schedule:

Washington and St Lucia cancellations 27.07.05

http://www.flybmi.com/trade/en-gb/sectionhome.aspx?p=1904&rid=730

Reluctantly bmi will suspend the Manchester - Washington service from the end of the summer.

bmi will also be refining the Caribbean services over the hurricane season therefore the Manchester - St Lucia service will be suspended for 7 weeks from the end of August and re-start 24 October 2005.

re-accommodations

Manchester - Washington
· re-book your clients onto bmi's earlier Washington services e.g. pre 30 October 2005
· re-book your travellers onto an alternative flight either Chicago or Las Vegas
· all re-bookings must be made in the same class, if this is not available please ensure the lowest available fare is selected within the same cabin
· passengers may apply for a full refund - please do this through your BSP link
· all bookings must be ticketed by 5 August 2005

Manchester - St Lucia
· re-book your clients onto bmi's earlier St Lucia services e.g. pre 31 August 2005
· re-book your travellers onto an alternative flight either Antigua or Barbados
· all re-bookings must be made in the same class, if this is not available please ensure the lowest available fare is selected within the same cabin
· passengers may apply for a full refund - please do this through your BSP link


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User currently offlineLucianflyboy From St. Lucia, joined Jun 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

I wonder what the real reason is!

User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Do BMI have any clue what they are doing strategy-wise or is this because of poor load-factors. Is the MAN-IAD flight operated by the Icelandair 752 or is that something else.

I have never heard of an airline stop flying a route because of hurricanes. I think someone might be telling porkies!!

However, nothing BMI does anymore surprises me.

AE733



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User currently offlineSQno1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7055 times:



This is getting silly now!

You couldn't predict that they would do this. I thought that they were doing well on this route, even after the 752 began service. Please let VS take over the company so some sense can be made!

Or if it is the premium pax that went somewhere else, why don't UAL consider a PS service on the same route?

With Reagrds,
Alex.B

[Edited 2005-07-27 17:16:01]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Moer suprises from BMI - can anyone figure out what they are doing?

Regarding MAN-IAD, I assume that the 757 Wet Lease is over and BMI does not want to renew it, and there are simply no other longhaul aircraft to operate the route. I have said it many times, BMI wants to fly longhaul from London, and they wanted to fly longhaul from London from the moment that the A330s were ordered, and they are not very dedicated or commited to the longhaul services out of MAN.

The St Lucia suspension I guess makes sense, Sept and Oct is a very weak period for travel to the Carib (no one is on vacation and hurricane activity in the caribbean region) and St Lucia took a recent hit and needs a bit of time to clean up, so its in everyone's best interest to susupend the flights for a fw weeks.

Does anyone have any idea as to what longhaul routes BMI will be flying this winter from MAN and LHR?


User currently offlineJdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

This is hard to believe...BMI just brought in a new station manager and he was shopping for an apartment this week. And the freight and mail that was loaded on the 757 was unbelievable. And yes, it was the Icelandair 757.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Regarding MAN-IAD, I assume that the 757 Wet Lease is over and BMI does not want to renew it, and there are simply no other longhaul aircraft to operate the route. I have said it many times, BMI wants to fly longhaul from London, and they wanted to fly longhaul from London from the moment that the A330s were ordered, and they are not very dedicated or commited to the longhaul services out of MAN.

Yes many of us said that the FI 757 was a precursor for dropping the route entirely and now it seems this is indeed the case.

So now BMI loses customers at MAN, where it had the chance to build a solid and loyal base, in order to try and "compete" against BA and VS out of LHR.

Ridiculous. Perhaps now would be a good time for them to sell their lucrative LHR slots to an airline which does know what it is doing.....



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User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6911 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Reluctantly bmi will suspend the Manchester - Washington service from the end of the summer.

That's sort of surprising. I was in Liverpool on business in April and May, both times I had to fly home from London rather than Manchester because the BMI flight was apparently full.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

Very funny, Bmi are on something illegal for sure. What are the India loads like I have not heard anything about that and are there A330s at Heathrow or what.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

The fact is that without decent feed on either side, and more competitive products flying ex MAN, this was not going to work. The North Atlantic is just getting too crowded; better luck in the more lucrative South Asian market and leave the feed to UA at LHR/ORD.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6732 times:
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A friend of mine worked for bmi in BRU and many travel agants complained at the lack of feeder flights to MAN for overseas flights...

I flew myself bmi to YYZ in C and found it excellent in terms of service.

Any idea of the loads to Mumbai ??

FB.

[Edited 2005-07-27 18:21:50]


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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 7):
That's sort of surprising.

Not really. As Cornish said above, reducing this route to 757 service was the beginning of the end. BMI are nothing short of a disgrace.

The end of BMI really wouldn't upset me - I hope SRB manages to persuade one SMB to sell up.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineM777d From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

There has to be more to this than meets the eye or is this just another example of the complete disarray BD are in?

I am a Diamond Club Gold Card holder and this is sad. I have never heard of a company with so little clarity and direction!!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 11):


The end of BMI really wouldn't upset me

7LBAC111

Its sad. BMI has become totally unpredictible and their rather bizarre and pax unfriendly business and route decisions will affect the airline's financial performance. BMI could just fly itself out of business.

Any recent info conerning the potential BMI/Virgin merger?


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

bmi have dropped IAD from Manchester for the winter before when they leased A330s to SAA. They have commitments ex Manchester and LHR this winter which cannot be covered by the current fleet if the full existing and predicted schedules are to be flown.

The Icelandair 757, which will end in September, was always a short term solution. There isn't much capacity available which would offer the number of seats and standard of service bmi would wish to give its customers between MAN and IAD and the chances of an early purchase of new A330s is negigable.

As for the "hurricane suspension", this is probably to allow for the total re-alignment of the aircraft, crews and to allow for engineering work on the fleet.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 14):
They have commitments ex Manchester and LHR this winter which cannot be covered by the current fleet

Which surely BMI would have foresaw - yet they still risked immeasurable damage to their image with their MAN customer base by pulling off the route.

As lucrative as LHR may be, going in feet first to the detriment of MAN may be a costly mistake.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Reluctantly bmi will suspend the Manchester - Washington service from the end of the summer

Reluctantly? Yeh right...

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
Moer suprises from BMI - can anyone figure out what they are doing?

I doubt anyone can, particularly themselves. About as sensible as putting more flights on Aberdeen-Norwich.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 6):
Yes many of us said that the FI 757 was a precursor for dropping the route entirely and now it seems this is indeed the case

Yes - I never doubted that was the case once the LHR routes got going.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Any idea of the loads to Mumbai ??

I had a row to myself in Premium Economy - it was great! Maybe it's picked up now (take a wetsuit this week).

Quoting Philb (Reply 14):
bmi have dropped IAD from Manchester for the winter before when they leased A330s to SAA

If they reinstate it for next summer, then I'll forgive them.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

7LBAC111,

They probably did forsee it. Their management style IS quirky but with US Airways, Continental, BA and PIA offering seats to airports within a short commuter hop or even a drive of DC, this is possibly the least hurtful for them.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 11):
BMI are nothing short of a disgrace.

I'm beginning to see why.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 16):
If they reinstate it for next summer, then I'll forgive them.

It'd be a lot easier if the current (mis)management team just pissed off and let someone who's got a clue take over. Am I allowed to say that? I just have.


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

I find it strange that BMI are giving up their longhaul MAN TO IAD route , Perhaps there is too much compotition from other airlines such as BA UA and others who fly to IAD from LHR. I think that to get back in the market , BMI need to do a HUGE u-turn quick before they lose all the loyal/premium passangers who will just chose someone else .
Problem is that it's a tought life being a "full service" airline , but BA have shown that you don't need to be a LCC to make a profit . or mabey BA only make a profit because of their huge number of slot , aircraft etc .

Safe Flying !

P.S First post on A.Net !!



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Why don't Star Alliance just throw this poor excuse for an airline out on its ear?

User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 14):
bmi have dropped IAD from Manchester for the winter before when they leased A330s to SAA

Fair point, but in this instance bmi haven't lost an A330 on lease again. Surely if they were going to reinstate MAN-IAD next summer, they'd make a (big) point of highlighting this in the press announcement before they lose even more customers?


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Flycro , I also think that Star alliance should throw BMI out of their alliance , In MY opinion BMI are just a dead weight as it were , I have nothing against BMI , it's just my personal opinion . However only time will tell. Who knows what STAR are thinking about this , anyone know ?

Safe Flying !!  wave 



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

It's gone, let's accept it. We in MAN know that wehave an uphill struggle competing with the London airports on long haul routes, the irony is that it is our home-grown cariers that let us down most.

Let's hope United maybe come to MAN! We certainly get loyalty at MAN from US crriers!


User currently offlineLucianflyboy From St. Lucia, joined Jun 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
St Lucia took a recent hit and needs a bit of time to clean up

Very True. Traffic from Europe to the Caribbean is extremely light during that time until Christmas time when the flights are mobbed.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 4):
The St Lucia suspension I guess makes sense, Sept and Oct is a very weak period for travel to the Caribbean (no one is on vacation and hurricane activity in the Caribbean region)

St Lucia didn't take a hit from any of the storms that affected the Caribbean in the past few months. It's business as usual for the tourist sector.


25 Dogfighter2111 : Whenever i fly EDI-LHr, i usually always fly bmi because i love the airline. They are all so friendly and i think it is only the Transatlantic routes
26 Col : What a surprise BMI dropping IAD. Guess they F**ked this one up also, take a pat on the back SMB. I believe they thought that the 757 was the best pla
27 AdamTStarFlyer : I guess alot of people on here kinda of saw this coming! Why is it that BMI get set into a good thing (such as there Transatlantic flights out of MAN)
28 Post contains links GayrugbyMAN : http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regionalfifths_casestudy4.pdf Makes interesting reading.........
29 Col : Adam, Using CAA pax figures, you can see easily how IAD was developing. Take into account that MAN has not seen a great deal of seat capacity increase
30 Philb : In effect they have. They have to maintain a daily MAN -ORD and fly to the Caribbean and Vegas. They are horrendously short of long haul capacity whe
31 Post contains images Zkojh : time BD, got there fu****g act together, let someone sort them out for good, they are really going to loose customers to rivals like BA, and other One
32 MAH4546 : bmi could have done a great job making Manchester a good long-haul hub. It has the local traffic and very little compietition. It has always puzzled m
33 Post contains images UA772IAD : It doesn't really surprise me, for a few reasons. 1) They dropped from an A330 service to an "on loan" 757 2) IAD is a star alliance heavy airport (Ai
34 Jdaniel001 : Ok...here are the facts....The A330 was pulled because of the India service. India will drop down on frequency so that Riyadh can be added in the fall
35 7LBAC111 : And SQ, MH, QR and EK are. Along with many others. And if rumours are to be believed, TG could be popping into MAN shortly too..... Not sure how true
36 KennyK : I was hoping that BMI would be the UK airline to develop long haul services from MAN. Virgin and BA only pay lip service and other long haul carriers
37 Lindy : BMI never dropped IAD route. Even when they leased A330 to SAA they were still flying to IAD. I think you confused BMI with SAS which dropped IAD for
38 Pieinthesky : According to BD the problem with IAD was the 332 was a bit too big for the route pax wise. Then one of the many wise men they seem to have in their ma
39 Nimish : BMI has also dropped fares in India significantly, and now added "common rated" fares for the southern cities (like BLR), with the domestic sector fl
40 Philb : Lindy, you are totally incorrect. bmi leased two A330s to SAA, leaving one aircraft to operate MAN-ORD. The IAD route was suspended in December 2002 a
41 HT : Please update me: Who owns BMI ? Is the information in my head still correct that both SAS and LH own 20% of BMI´s shares each ? Or am I mixing up s
42 7LBAC111 : There was a thread from STARCREW yesterday showing just how bad moral is at BMI at the mo. Can't seem to locate it - but my advice is to avoid BMI on
43 BA380 : IIRC bmi is still part owned by LH and SAS? if so, surely to goodness the management of those 2 must step in soon and put the current team out of its
44 Post contains links HT : this one ? BMI Why Bother Now? (by Stargoldlhr Jul 27 2005 in Civil Aviation) -HT
45 Cloud4000 : BMI should concentrate on making MAN a fortress hub and LHR a focus city.
46 7LBAC111 : Thanks HT - no this isn't the one. I mesaged STARCREW about it. I the mods had it deleted because of the content. Made interesting reading. Mark 7LBA
47 Jdaniel001 : Well there is a very strong possibility of UA taking over the route. Are you sure......I think they did suspend it temporarily.
48 7LBAC111 : Really? If so, wouldn't BD and UA have made some sort of joint announcement? No, I think the route is gone now.... 7LBAC111
49 Cornish : If UA was to take it over then that really was an incredibly stupid move by BMI to put out that press release. surely they would wait for UA to firm
50 WhiteHatter : There was a winter suspension in the first year. BMI leased out aircraft to SAS, SAA and the Royal Air Force at one point, the RAF contract being Fal
51 Cloud4000 : I never understood why BMI flew to IAD in the first place. Wouldn't MAN-JFK/EWR have been better?
52 7LBAC111 : In the same way that AC transferred their YYZ service to BD. Speaking of YYz - are there plans for that service to remain AC beyond the summer season
53 BestWestern : No winter suspension last year... route went to one daily
54 BestWestern : No winter suspension last year... route went to one weekly
55 GayrugbyMAN : No, AC seem to want to keep it seasonal. Zoom are doing well though out of MAN to YYZ and YVR.
56 Sulman : Isn't the suspension due to an FAA audit of Icelandair, and that this needs to be completed before resumption of the route? Cheers James
57 BestWestern : No. BMI have dropped the route fullstop. On ATI They are blaming lack of scale due to the fact they cant fly from heathrow to the US. Thats the lamest
58 Pieinthesky : Maybe it's got something to do with IAD being the hub of a fellow *A partner. BA do MAN-JFK and CO do MAN-EWR, twice daily now.
59 Col : BestWestern, With you on this one, lame bull sh*t, from a Management incapable of handling the operation of an Airline in today's environment. They ar
60 MainMAN : Apparently they plan to from 2008. MAN bosses want them sooner. I read about this in the business section of The Age, in Melbourne, so I can't really
61 HT : If I´m not seriously mistaken, UA has a shortage (or at least no a/c to spare) to put on any intercontinental route - or has this changed recently ?
62 IADLHR : I am really confused and lost. If by some minor miracle BMI got permission to fly exLHR-USA, where would they get the aircraft to offer that many flig
63 IADLHR : BestWestern BMI dropping the MAN-IAD route due to not being able to fly from LHR-USA igoes back to much much earlier press releases from BMI. They sai
64 7LBAC111 : It's not solely a UK decision though... 7LBAC111
65 Flycro : Why was the MAN-IAD route still bookable in Amadeus today for departures early next year? £550 round trip?
66 MainMAN : To be fair to bmi, don't think anyone could disagree with that. It's also been showing on MAN website timetable as being op by a 330 in Oct. Apparent
67 Post contains links IADLHR : I just went to www.flybmi.com and tried to book IAD-MAN for early November. It did say that service to IAD would be discontinued the end of October.
68 UA772IAD : Actually it would benefit both airlines. Being star partners, UA would get a new flight, and it would probably do well, and BD could use that much ne
69 HT : Aren´t these upgrades from T7 to 744 only seasonal (like the upgrade from 763 to T7 to AMS) ? ... not only 3rd busiest hub, but also 2nd important h
70 UA772IAD : I'm not sure, but I think it's safe to say no, due to the fact that these 744s were switched over in early 2004 (probably March '04)-- they have been
71 ChrisNH : The 757 going to Dulles--Flight 701--had to stop at Bangor, Maine today...presumably for more fuel. What a come-down from the days of nonstop A330s! C
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