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Woman Convicted Of Grabbing TSA Screener's Breast  
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- A woman who was upset over being searched bodily at an airport was convicted Tuesday of assaulting a security screener by grabbing the federal officer's breasts.

A federal jury heard the case against retired teacher Phyllis Dintenfass, who also allegedly shoved the screener during the search at the Outagamie County Regional Airport in Appleton in September 2004.

Dintenfass, 62, faces up to a year in federal prison and $100,000 in fines. The judge set sentencing for Nov. 1.

On Monday, Transportation Security Administration screening supervisor Anita Gostisha testified that Dintenfass activated metal detectors at a checkpoint, and she heard Dintenfass say she thought the problem was bobby pins and barrettes in her hair.

Gostisha said she took the woman to another screening area, where she used a handheld wand. Gostisha said she was following protocol when she also performed a "limited pat-down search."

Gostisha said she was using the back of her hands to search the area underneath Dintenfass' breasts when the woman lashed out at her.

"She said `How would you like it if I did that to you?' and slammed me against the wall," Gostisha testified. "She came at me and grabbed my breasts and squeezed them."

Distenfass claimed she acted in self-defense.

"I said, 'What are you doing? No one's done that to me before,'" she said. "And she kept going ... for what felt like an interminably long time."

Dintenfass denied shoving Gostisha, but admitted putting her hands on the agent's breasts.

"I was mortified that I had done that," she said. "I was reacting to what felt like an absolute invasion of my body."

U.S. Attorney Steven Biskupic said TSA officers perform a vital service and are entitled to protection from assault.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005/07/26/AR2005072601245_pf.html


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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

OMG What's going on with the world?!?!?!?!?

But I really don't doubt about the women's overreaction about the TSA check. Many people do get frustrated with this kinds of checkups. Specially speaking about a 62 year old women being "checked" by someone younger, etc...

Then again, the TSA won people to get this attitude sometimes.

Alonsou



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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

Yes. Notice it's about the US TSA again.... we certainly don't have this sort of invasion of privacy anywhere else in the world!

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6444 times:

I thought TSA was in the trash can, when is the US Gov getting rid of them?

Regards.


User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Hard to know what to think about this case. Two contradicting stories of the same "alleged" event. Should there not be vitnesses present at body-searches - for the sake of both parties?

TSA, police etc must earn their "customers" respect from the way they do their job - not just from what their job is.


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

A witness would do no good. Cops don't rat cops out. A video camera would be the only credible witness.

User currently offlineKykevin54 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

I know that security is important, but there are limits. A TSA screener put his hand down the front of my pants once and I instinctively jumped back. I didn't attack him, but I sure wasn't happy with him and let him know it. He told me he was checking my belt. I told him my belt was on the outside of my pants.

I feel sorry for this woman. She should've controlled herself better, but she felt violated, and human instinct just wants to protect itself when threatened. It's too bad that our paranoia has led to this kind of thing.


User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting Kykevin54 (Reply 6):
A TSA screener put his hand down the front of my pants

Did he find anything to his liking?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 1):
OMG What's going on with the world?!?!?!?!?

But I really don't doubt about the women's overreaction about the TSA check. Many people do get frustrated with this kinds of checkups. Specially speaking about a 62 year old women being "checked" by someone younger, etc...

Then again, the TSA won people to get this attitude sometimes.

Alonsou

Rules are rules, & we must learn to live with them. This is just a little simple matter of not having respect for authority, maybe some more convictions will stop these assaults against the TSA.



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User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3316 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Quoting TUNisia (Thread starter):
she was using the back of her hands to search the area underneath Dintenfass' breasts

Do TSA staff have the proper training to practice speleology ?
Joke apart, it could be that the "volume" and "space" in question could indeed be a matter for concern for some screened pax, less or even none for others.
Any pics of Mrs Dintenfass ?


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 8):
Rules are rules, & we must learn to live with them. This is just a little simple matter of not having respect for authority, maybe some more convictions will stop these assaults against the TSA.

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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1068 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

a teacher named dintenfass, thats dope!


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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 8):
Rules are rules, & we must learn to live with them. This is just a little simple matter of not having respect for authority, maybe some more convictions will stop these assaults against the TSA.

Ah come on, and respect is respect. Now, the TSA agent was apparently just doing her job, but as many have indicated, the passenger maybe was shocked by such an intimate invasion of her privacy. A polite smile and kind explanation of the preocedures should take place (which may well have been the case here).

I left quite an eledrly woman off at TLS the other day, a 70 year-old Spanish woman who hasn't travelled alot. She beeped going through, and when she was stopped I saw her arms going up in self defence as she tried to back away from the French security agent. The agent simply smiled at her and asked for assisstance from another agent who spoke some Spanish to explain to her what was going on. In the end, they were all smiling and laughing together and seemed to have become best of friends.
So MidnightMike, in this case at TLS the rules were adhered to, but through mutual respect.

Obviously we don't know the in's and out's of the American case, so it's hard to know who was in the wrong. Admittidely, the 60 yr.old woman's reaction seems a bit much. But it must be taken into account that many people are not used to travelling, or are older or whatever...



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 8):
Rules are rules, & we must learn to live with them. This is just a little simple matter of not having respect for authority, maybe some more convictions will stop these assaults against the TSA.

I agree with the need for security, but in my experience TSA agents are generally not very good at people skills. They do nothing to make the searched person feel more comfortable. If they did, as in the example from Toulouse below, their life and ours would be much easier.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 12):

I left quite an eledrly woman off at TLS the other day, a 70 year-old Spanish woman who hasn't travelled alot. She beeped going through, and when she was stopped I saw her arms going up in self defence as she tried to back away from the French security agent. The agent simply smiled at her and asked for assisstance from another agent who spoke some Spanish to explain to her what was going on. In the end, they were all smiling and laughing together and seemed to have become best of friends.

It's the same in London. The body search is just as thorough as the TSA one, but I never feel violated. The agent politely informs me of what is going on. If a pax does not speak good English, the agent will mime or find someone who can translate. TSA agents tend to do the old American cliché. SPEAK LOUDLY AND CLEARLY. As if that helps someone whose English is bad or non-existent.

I realize searches are necessary, but the TSA agents generally often have a bad attitude so it's no surprise they get a bad rep. If they would just smile a little and stop acting impatient and grim I think things would improve immensely.



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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

"Notice it's about the US TSA again.... we certainly don't have this sort of invasion of privacy anywhere else in the world!"

Give me a f*cking break! The only reason you are chiming in is because it happened to be a US TSA agent.

"If they did, as in the example from Toulouse below, their life and ours would be much easier."
Read: if this was done anywhere else in the world, we would not complain or even think twice, and we would certainly not blame the agent.

All a bunch of second and third hand anecdotal accounts are what form a.netter's opinions of TSA agents, pure garbage. Recently, at O'Hare, during a very busy peak time, I saw the same sort of thing, as mentioned by Toulouse, occur with a group of 5 Korean passengers. The agent called a Korean Air agent over to help translate. So, no, that sort of thing is NOT something unique to Europe or Canada.

TSA agents, as a group, do not deserve any top accolades for customer service, although some individuals may. They are not there to be chummy, they need only be civil. They are there to get people through the checkpoint as quickly as possible while giving as thorough a check as possible. If this cheesehead goofball did not know what to expect, she has had her head up her arse for the past several years. In this area, over the past several years, I have seen them improve leaps and bounds. They certainly do not deserve the bum rap they receive from people around here, and I am the last one to defend overpaid government employees. The fact remains, they have to be 100%, 100% of the time...some nutjob has to be able to get through ONCE at any of thousands of checkpoints throughout the country, crazy old ladies from Wisconsin aside. Compared to the "screeners" prior to TSA, it is much improved from what I have seen.



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Cwapilot... be careful! I was not launching a personal "attack" against TSA agents just because this story was in the US. Read my post and you'll see that.

On a personal level, my worst ever experience with a TSA agent was at Dublin airport a few years back. Obviously, we are all humans, and some agent's will have better people skills than others, no matter we're they are or where there from.



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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Toulouse...obviously you were not....check a few of the posts above yours.


Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

on a lessor note, I had used a 'TSA-approved' lock..CLEARLY VISABLE that it was a TSA-approved lock, and with an imprint on the bottom for the TSA...yet, last week, they decided to break the lock open as opposed to just using the keys..jerkoffs......!

while I don't mind the TSA too much, they seriously need to get their house in order!!



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User currently offlineHpnonrev99 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 65 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 16):
Toulouse...obviously you were not....check a few of the posts above yours.

CWA you just confirmed what Toulouse was saying. Toulouse is not launching a personal attack agains the TSA, the previous posts to his might be, but he is not.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 14):
Give me a f*cking break! The only reason you are chiming in is because it happened to be a US TSA agent.

Actually I'm sure the reason he was "chiming in" was because thats what this post is about, a TSA agent.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 14):
If this cheesehead goofball did not know what to expect, she has had her head up her arse for the past several years

For somebody being as sensitive to Toulouse's comment , implying that this has been geographical discrimination, your use of "cheesehead" would idicate you are guilty of the same, (Cheeseheads are people from Wisconsin, the state 60 miles from Chicago) What if this woman has only flown a few times her entire life ? Not everybody flies all the time.

In short Cwapilot, don't demand respect from people if you aren't willing to give it.

Signed,

Just another hater of close-minded, arrogant, republican pilots.



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User currently offlineAerLingusA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

I'm not sure about you guys, but isn't a year in prison and $100,000 fine a little overkill for this? I mean, the teacher's actions were not to hurt the TSA agent, they were just in reaction to her actions. How would some of us feel if a TSA agent violated us, I know one time I felt extremely uncomfortable while they did a pat-down on/around my belt area. I can definitely see why this woman felt violated. Maybe she did over react IF she threw the woman, but still.

Steve



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

TSA = Titty Squeezing Agency ....  laughing 

Seriously though, up to 1 year in prison and $100,000 fine? Come on, let's get back down to reality. I'm sure that the TSA agent did nothing wrong, and I'm sure that the pax overreacted, but it's not like she was trying to rape her or something.



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User currently offlineCDNpax From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 14):
They are not there to be chummy, they need only be civil.

They have failed in even this small endeavour more times than not...

As has been mentioned in many other posts, the security screening in other airports is as thorough as the TSA screening. However, there are a significant number of passengers here who believe there is a big difference in attitude. I now make sure that I have no steel plate in my shoes, wear no jeans with rivets or a belt when I fly out of the US just to avoid as much contact as possible with them.

It also strikes me as very odd that there was not camera recording of the incident mentioned in the article as these areas of airports are particularly rife with them...


User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

"In short Cwapilot, don't demand respect from people if you aren't willing to give it."
followed by: "Just another hater of close-minded, arrogant, republican pilots"

Pot...kettle...black...As for cheeseheads, yes, I am familiar with the term, the state and the people, having lived 60 miles, as you say, from Wisconsin my entire life. Cheesehead is a lot more mild and endearing than most of the nicknames they have for us flatlanders. I am sorry, but, yes, if there is any attitude problem attributable to geography in this case, that section of Wisconsin does have a unique flavor to it.

"Actually I'm sure the reason he was "chiming in" was because thats what this post is about, a TSA agent."
Baloney! Nowhere else in the world are people patted down or searched when they set of a metal detector? Nowhere else on earth are those who attack those responsible for conducting such searches locked up and/or fined?

"What if this woman has only flown a few times her entire life ? Not everybody flies all the time."

Has she watched the news for the past several years? Did she fail to notice all of the signs with instructions that are usually posted throughout the queues?

"They are not there to be chummy, they need only be civil.
They have failed in even this small endeavour more times than not...there are a significant number of passengers here who believe there is a big difference in attitude"

Having been through several international airports, I assure you, this "attitude" is not the exclusive domain of TSA agents. And, again, a handful of second and third hand accounts on a.net. Right back to my original point...it happens everywhere, and it seems to be a past time of people here to single out US agents because it is the thing to do.

If I had to go by my own anecdotal accounts, then I would say the worst agents have to be at Heathrow (rude, ignorant, certainly no more polite than TSA agents and just as intrusive...especially if you are traveling with someone on an Indonesian passport it turns out.) and Jakarta, where my wife was hauled into an interrogation room and lambasted for 30 minutes because she had become a US Permanent Resident (why are you coming back here if you don't want to live here anymore?! and the like). Should I, based on those experiences, attribute that to British and Indonesian security agents (whatever they call them) or just to the individuals with whom I crossed paths? While not as extreme, the French and Germans were not exactly friendly...if you want to go by the smile standard, they failed miserably.

"Come on, let's get back down to reality. I'm sure that the TSA agent did nothing wrong, and I'm sure that the pax overreacted, but it's not like she was trying to rape her or something."

Maybe next time stupid will think twice before attacking someone with a badge...plastic though it may be.



Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 22):
Maybe next time stupid will think twice before attacking someone with a badge...plastic though it may be.

Just because a person who wears a badge deserves more respect then everyone else? Don't think so.

Yes, the TSA agent was just doing her job.
Yes, the pax may have over-reacted and been stupid.
Possible 1 year in prison and $100,000 fine? Pure BS!



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineDHLSAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Maybe she was practicing to be a TSA Agent herself.


Yellow?
25 Cwapilot : "Just because a person who wears a badge deserves more respect then everyone else? Don't think so. Yes, the TSA agent was just doing her job. Yes, the
26 747400F : What is the proper reaction then? just to let them get on with in? NO WAY - the facts that this TSA agent gives her no right to be offensive, she'll
27 ACDC8 : They deserve the respect that they give! Wearing a badge doesn't give anyone the right to do whatever they feel like doing. Perhaps if the TSA agent
28 Starlionblue : I fly about twice a week in the US and Europe. While this may still not be a huge sample I must say I have detected a very clear trend. In Europe, wi
29 MidnightMike : Guess what, the TSA details everything they are doing as well.
30 Post contains images Gipper913 : That's real open-minded of you, Hpnonev99. Attack may be a subjective term - 9/11 was an attack, but is a shove, etc. However, as an attorney (insert
31 Post contains images ACDC8 : Darn, can't come up with any attorney jokes right now ... I can't see how it would be a crime if one over-reacts by being in a situation where one fe
32 Gipper913 : Not to get too off subject into legal arcana...but assault and/or battery (the unwanted touching of yourself by another) is a crime, regardless of th
33 ACDC8 : I'm sure in legal terms it is, but I am also sure it can be abused (I'm not implying that it is in this case). But should it really have gone that fa
34 PanHAM : TSA really goes from burlesque over slap-stick to stand up comedy and all is live. First smile was the Ladies name -Dintenfass - replace the D with a
35 Columbia107 : Whilst I do not know who is right or wrong, having served in the military, I can but say that inevitably there will always be a few individuals who si
36 Jetdeltamsy : My own mother, according to her, got "felt up" by a female TSA agent when she was clearing security at Bloomington, Illinois last winter. For my own m
37 Gipper913 : First, lol regarding the ironic German language connotations - very funny. Sexual harassment laws certainly apply to the TSA, but would more likely b
38 Boeing7E7 : Unfortunately, now potentially never at the major airports. Can you imagine the insurance liability for the airport/airline/consortium that takes it
39 Gopal : I think the retired teacher should be given a break and let go with a lesser punishment. It is understandable for an elderly person (> 60 yrs) to be a
40 Kykevin54 : That is still debatable. I've heard arguments from both sides, but I'm not sure if we can say for sure that we're better off now than we were before.
41 Starlionblue : Agreed. I deffo think check the boobs/crotch. But it may be nice to say "I will have to search your breasts" or something if the individual seems jum
42 Tsaord : well..doing the limited pat downs started after those 2 russian airliners went down because 2 women had explosives strapped to their chest. if that we
43 Bennett123 : My first thought after reading reply 6 is that the TSA is employing perverts. The test for a pervert is that instead of the TSA paying him, he pays th
44 Tsaord : we go through extensive background checks since the agency is federalized. and some people have been terminated for either lying, or trying to concea
45 Post contains images Jafa39 : Some people have all the luck!!!
46 MidnightMike : You would also think that the older school teacher would understand the need for rules and to follow them, the retired school teacher was not elderly
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