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Canada World Airlines-Rumour Or Reality?  
User currently offlineTWPHIL From France, joined May 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Can anyone tell me how serious is the CWA project.Their website is focusing on very high standards and operations to start by the end of 2006 or mid the 2007 the latest.Your information and thoughts will be welcomed.

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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Personally, I don't think it's realistic. It's an incredible dream but nothing more than that. While I believe the demand is present around the world, I question how feasible such an operation is. I also question where one would generate the start-up capital. I doubt Montreal is the best base for such a concept. I see nothing has been submitted so far to Transport Canada requesting for an Air Operators Certificate and so I question the project even further. I'll ask around and see what kind of information I can dig. But I think this idea will end up a virtual airline before or if it ever turns to a reality.

Don't get me wrong - I'd love to see such an airline exist but in light of the fact it was based on a previous idea by the same person under the name of Top Hat airlines which never got off the ground, I'd doubt this one would. I wonder who the management and investors are - maybe it's Michel Leblanc and the Jetsgo team trying to reinvent themselves  Wink

Furthermore, it looks like the airline wants to operate flights from other countries other than Canada to other countries. It seems to be a huge undertaking where some innovator is trying to take a concept and implement it around the world but many countries don't allow 100% foreign ownership of airlines.

www.canadaworldairlines.com


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5712 times:

Seems a bit fanciful to me.

I can understand YUL-BRU, but YUL-PER??

Somebody's not been doing their homework.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

Setting aside the almost certainly insurmountable logistical problems to start-up such a venture---YUL can support very few if any of those new destinations as a stand-alone service. It is utterly fanciful. Loking at their proposed route map would have YUL about as well, or better, connected than JFK?

Please don't anyone hit their defence mechanism button on this one--I am not slagging YUL or Montreal--but let's be objective people: who rationally believes that YUL- Johannesburg or YUL Bangkok on a 744 is a logical consideration? Just look at that map.

YUL is not a large international market and in any event it is rightly already well served by European carriers on routes that support themselves.

Good luck trying to get anyone to invest in this daydream.


User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

It's not getting off the ground for sure!!

CWA's fleet consists of 4 Boeing 747 400 ERs, supported by 15 McDonald Douglas MD 83 aircrafts. While the 747 will be configured for 194 passengers, the shuttles will be configured with 60 seats. The shuttles, five each at the hubs, shall cater to connections within 30 minutes between arrival and departure.

Look at their route map and how they plan to fly to those places with just 4 747s!


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

Uhh yeah, that website seems like a big joke to me. First of all it reads like a 15 year old wrote it, and second of all the business plan is completely untenable. The people who can afford to travel like that can also afford to do NetJets or buy their own planes.

-IR


User currently offlineYeggerman From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

If you read about all the stuff on board the 747 they want to have, doctors on each flight on standby, 2 smoking rooms for the smoking customers, and even the possibilty of building their own airport just outside of montreal to better serve the public,

Quote:
A second choice is that CWA builds its own airport in order to better respond to the needs of its market. Ideally the airport will be built, if permitted, to the west of the Island of Montreal in the village of St. Polycarpe in the region of De Beaujeu,

I dunno sounds like a pipe dream and a fancy website to me, and nothing more.



"All great things must come to an end"
User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting Sunnyb (Reply 4):
15 McDonald Douglas MD 83

McDonalds's sells planes? That says all. And from where do they want to get 4 B744ERs? New ones from Boeing? I Highly doubt that. To me it sounds like a wet dream  Wink


User currently offlineBurberry753 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

"On the main deck, one will find the Mont Royal suite located in the front of the cabin near the nose of the plane, equipped with a King size bed, a fireplace in winter, an aquarium in summer, and with a living room and satellite TV of 46 inches etc., full bathroom with bidet and whirl pool bath of 38 inches in diameter, sauna, shower and ECRS-pods. Two servers will be available throughout the flight as well as a secretary. The Mont Royal suite will be convertible to “Top Class” accommodating up to 4 individual passengers, with a single bed to offer comfort and privacy."

Sounds Great! But I'l believe it when i see it with my own eyes, lol  Smile


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

This thing sounded at first like Just What the World Needs! Seriously, there are people who will spend that kind of money for the best, and this concept would exceed the snob appeal of merely flying in a private jet (unless it was a 747SP or something.) When I got to the FIREPLACE, however, I smelled a rat.

User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

That site is hilarious. Look at the configurations here: http://www.canadaworldairlines.com/en/fleet.html Big grin Big grin

I particularly like the "Horses Area" in the tail of the MD-83.

Of course, M. Bazra will be remembered by some as the proprietor of Canada Air Charter which was put out of business by TC after selling non-existent air services. Either he's barking mad, or someone has come up with a brilliant parody.


User currently offlineCanadianPylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

One might have assumed common sense would prevail, but alas... Non!!

After 9/11, I thought that having pictures with airplanes near buildings was a bad thing, but...

http://www.canadaworldairlines.com/images/1.jpg

I think somebody is bored, and knows how to spell HTML. Apart from that, this is crap...

CanadianPylon



Always looking for the longest route with the most transfers.
User currently offlineHrhf1 From Canada, joined May 2005, 105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Hehehehehehehehehe...whoooo....hehehehehehe....stop it! I can't hold back the laughter! Whenever I need a good laugh I think I'll just look at the website...hehehehehehehehehehehe.... :P

User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

Quoting Hrhf1 (Reply 12):
Hehehehehehehehehe...whoooo....hehehehehehe....stop it! I can't hold back the laughter! Whenever I need a good laugh I think I'll just look at the website...hehehehehehehehehehehe

I think the above sums up whatever needs to be said about this topic. I tried really hard to think of something funny to say, but the site is just too mind-boggling to comment on.

In Quebec's defense, however, I must say they do have very good looking women...


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

This is an embarrassment to Canada and Quebec. This looks like someone was very bored and decided to waste some money on a website. I particularily like the "Electronic Zapper" leading to the cockpit. Smile

User currently offlineSnoopy From Switzerland, joined Oct 2001, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

If you look at this link (in French I am afraid) you can see that the guy in charge has been a naughty boy and just got fined $110'000.

http://www.opc.gouv.qc.ca/publications/cp_050706_1_Nasra.asp


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

Wow, horse owners must be really excited:

Since such owners and their horse are often inseparable, this allows the animal to feel reassured and the owner is able to stroke him as he wishes during the flight.



a.
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

if I am not wrong then those MD-83s are ex SG. Frankly never heard of this dream airlines till I read this thread.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Has anyone taken a look at the route map?

The required airline freedom rights (fifth, eighth and ninth come to mind...) are absolutely MIND BOGGLING. I mean, they'd HAVE to be carrying local traffic to consistently fill up those planes!!!

Derek


User currently offlineTnsaf From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Crack is obviously readily available in Montreal.


700 hours and counting...
User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

And I thought I had too much free time...



CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineTribird1011 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 10):
I particularly like the "Horses Area" in the tail of the MD-83.

Are you implying that you can't put a horse near the aft airstairs of an MD-83???
 Big grin  Big grin

To be fair, there is also a soundproof area for the family dog!!

 Silly  Yeah sure  Silly


User currently offline777XI From United States of America, joined May 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

They sure are planning on having quite a few sick people on their flights. Infirmary onboard every 744ER and MD-80.

777XI



life is a journey, travel it well.
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

Nice seat configuration in econo though:
2-2 on the MD80 and 2-4-2 on the B747!



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

omg. and i thought i had too much time on my hands: whoever is running that site has got plenty more. did you see the "economy class syndrome relief pods" in the lower level of the 744?

25 DOC : THIS IS THE BEST JOKE I EVER READ ON AIRLINERS.NET
26 Accargo : I can just imagine some kids somewhere deciding to have a little prank and see what they can stir up on a site like Airliner's. In the internet age, i
27 Tsnamm : On the main deck, one will find the Mont Royal suite located in the front of the cabin near the nose of the plane, equipped with a King size bed, a fi
28 Tjwgrr : WTH is an "electric zapper?" Infirmary with doctor, rest area for dog or cat, shower for large person & disabled..... LOL!!! "Sir please get out of th
29 Ratypus : These guys need to get a grip - how about a merger with BMI??
30 Ratypus : Ok - have looked at the website - definitely some kid who probably reads the posts on A.net and has condensed a potted history of the airline industry
31 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : I think this has to be a joke or something... they are talking routes like this: YUL-SIN = 7,998NM YUL-PER = 9,875NM YUL-SYD = 8,650NM YUL-AKL = 7,761
32 Zoom1018 : I am not sure about this, but they state that they need 21 747-400ER "With the full development of our operations we will need twenty-one 747-400s an
33 MD80Nut : Wow, what a website. Did you see they even talk about having space for horses on the planes? I'll believe it when I see it. Cheers, Ralph
34 Post contains images ACDC8 : Oh Lord! I just had a scary thought! This could be the works of Michel Leblanc!
35 Qb001 : Not only is this guy a joke, but he's also a crook. Enough said.
36 Post contains images YULQC : Even in my best dreams, I do not see my home airport being served like this! YUL-ASU would make my Paraguayan friend really happy, instead of the usua
37 YOWza : Can anyone say 5th freedom rights? This "airline" is hilarious. YOWza
38 Aviationman : Oh my God......Let me tell you....This man is weird!!!! Cheers!
39 Zkojh : just looked at it, very funny . tho how much are tickets, lol,. you think they might buy the 777-200 LR hahahahaha, they got some big plans , hahhaa,
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