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Why Does The 737-200 Bother Me So Much!  
User currently offlineSlashd0t From Canada, joined Dec 2002, 221 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

I realize the 732's are safe, but, why do I get nervous everytime I fly on one!?? I flight a lot, and flying does not bother me in the slightest, but, something with the 732's freak me out.. Maybe it's the noise, maybe it's the age, maybe it's all the patch jobs all over them!! It's gerneally the WestJet 732's that bother me.. Anyone else have a certain plane they don't like being on?


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User currently offlineKykevin54 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Any of the third world carriers whose "new" planes are the ones that are too old for any normal airline. I worked in the Philippines for a while and got to experience some of these. Cebu Pacific's DC-9s come to mind and Air Philippine's 732s come to mind as well. Some of Cebu Pacific's DC-9s were almost 40 years old. Knowing the way they can cut corners sometimes with things, too, it was concerning. I always tried to stay on the flag carrier, Philippine Airlines, but sometimes I ended up on these "discount" airlines.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12102 times:

B732 is a Fantastic Aircraft.Apart from the Noise.Trust Me I've worked on them.
About new carrier using older Aircraft Type.In the Early 90s,Many Pvt carriers out here used leased B732s.However nowadays the LCCs are going in for B737NGs & A320s as they find Mx costs to be lower.
regds
MEL

[Edited 2005-07-27 19:42:28]


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2026 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

It has NOTHING to do with the aircraft. It has EVERYTHING to do with the maintenance and the pilots driving the aircraft.

Depending upon where you are in the world, that is an open question.

baw716



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

I will be honest when I found out I had booked myself on a DL Express 732 I was worried, and was fretting over nothing. Then I realized I cosnidered it an honor to fly a 732 in this day and age. But I was still nervous and amazed those little engines could pick me up and fly me so far. But I survived and ended up flying DL Express one more time before they cancelled it.

the route im reffering to was BNA-MCO (2x's)

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12063 times:

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 3):
It has NOTHING to do with the aircraft. It has EVERYTHING to do with the maintenance and the pilots driving the aircraft.

 bigthumbsup 
Well said.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11988 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
I will be honest when I found out I had booked myself on a DL Express 732 I was worried, and was fretting over nothing. Then I realized I cosnidered it an honor to fly a 732 in this day and age. But I was still nervous and amazed those little engines could pick me up and fly me so far. But I survived and ended up flying DL Express one more time before they cancelled it.

Those teeny little engines are sooooooo deceptive ... all of today's high bypass engines have those HUUUUUGE intakes on the front, you just don't think those little engines can anything ...

Until you're pinned back into your seat on takeoff, that is ...

And what a noise, at that ... always fun to be #2 behind one of those things or a NW DC9, and hear that roar ...

- litz


User currently offlineSlashd0t From Canada, joined Dec 2002, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11844 times:

Yeah, I agree they are fun, and I love the pushed in the seat feeling on the 732's! You actually FEEL like you're flying.. Still not happy when I look at all the old panels worn out, patches all over the plane  Smile Once i'm up and cruising, I realize how lucky I am to be in a 732 before they are all gone, and i'm totally going to miss that roar, but, I still prefer flying on the NG's Big grin Plus, I know WestJet is a safe airline, but, still something I need to get over..

On the other side, I often try and book AC Jazz Dash-8's cuz I just love flying in them.. Even though, they are old and noisy, and totally uncomfortable, plus take extra time to get to the destination, they are still fun. I recently booked a trip from YEG-YYC-YLW just to go on a dash from YEG to YYC Big grin



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2541 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11833 times:
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I took ARs 732s all over Argentina and to Uruguay from AEP. I was a bit nervous on the first flight, simply because i'd never been on AR, and because the 732s are so old....but then i was suprised by how well they are holding up, and realized how cool it was that the plane was so old yet in great shape overall. I stopped being nervous and enjoyed the rest of my 4 flights with AR. I flew an Olympic airways 732 ATH-RHO....whoo... that was kinda scary. the thing was SOOO old and rickety. AR definitley kept their planes in much better shape. I was really impressed with AR overall. I did want to take a flight on an MD-80, but I wasnt ever scheduled on one.... oh well! Next time!

-AA777


User currently offlineAirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11786 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
I will be honest when I found out I had booked myself on a DL Express 732 I was worried, and was fretting over nothing. Then I realized I cosnidered it an honor to fly a 732 in this day and age. But I was still nervous and amazed those little engines could pick me up and fly me so far. But I survived and ended up flying DL Express one more time before they cancelled it.

I used to commute to BOS from MCO on DLX.. and I agree with the original poster.. flying on those rust buckets used to (actually still does) freak me out. I could never place my finger on it.

Oh.. wait.. I remember why.. it was the DLX announcements I heard weekly in Boston for reasons they'd delayed/cancelled flights... My favorite was an inbound aircraft from RSW where they told us that the aircraft didn't pressurize properly on the flight up. Between that and getting stuck in some of the worst cattle car conditions I can remember. For what it's worth, getting Medallion status on DL from flying DLX flights should come with bragging rights  Smile I finally got my boss to understand that I didn't mind taking a couple of extra hours getting there if it meant I could connect on mainline.


User currently offline757223 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11766 times:

DC-9/MD-80's. I know this has nothing to do with safety, but I cannot stand the fact that some of their flight control surfaces are free-floating when not in the air (see picture).


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11719 times:

Mine was when I last flew HP (America West), about 3 or 4 years ago. Their ancient 732's were in horrible shape. Utter pieces of crap. SLC-PHX-ELP and back.

Steve


User currently offlineSlashd0t From Canada, joined Dec 2002, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days ago) and read 11632 times:

Actually, WestJet's 732's are in pretty good shape, but, i'm still freaked Big grin





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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11554 times:

Quoting Slashd0t (Reply 12):
WestJet's 732's are in pretty good shape

That 732 is nice and shiny.

I actually look forward to flying ol’ trusty 732s, which is becoming increasingly rare. Its MD-80s I get an eerie felling on for some reason. I’m all right with ATRs – even 10 years ago when they were a dirty word and COEX had a fleet of ‘em. Only MD-80s and only every now and then.

 spin 


User currently offlineAC777300 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11530 times:

I am on vacation in FLA....took a DL 732 YYZ to ATL found it clean confortable and well maintained...as for the noise, well take a ride in a 30 year old car and tell me how much louder it is. Just a sign of the era it was built.


You and I were ment to fly!
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11526 times:

Roll on November. I won't be sorry to see the last of them at Ryanair. . .

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User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4104 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11494 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
But I was still nervous and amazed those little engines could pick me up and fly me so far.

Have you ever seen an A343 flamed  silly 

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
Roll on November. I won't be sorry to see the last of them at Ryanair. . .

is it November now. That will be November 08 for them then, the way MOL is keeping them on,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineEADC8 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

The Little Engine That Could:

http://www.southwest.com/multimedia/PLANEOVR.MPG



721 722 731 732 733 73G 741 742 744 752 753 762 764 DC8 DC9 MD80 DC10 L1011 A300 A319 A320 A332
User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

There is a very dedicated following for the 732. WN had a big cewremony when they retired their original 732, and America West allowed staff to sign their last 732 to fly.

Am I right that most of the patch jobs you see on 737s (not just the 732) as pictured in Reply #15 are in response to the Aloha Air flight where part of the fuselage peeled off like a sardine can mid-flight?

Seeing those extra rivets on an older plance actually makes me feel safer!


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7948 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11367 times:

I don't like flying -200s, they definitely freak me out. In the last few years, the only airline I've flown the 732 is Ryanair, other airlines I fly such as BA, LH, UA, all got rid of theirs 5 or 10 years ago. The 732 was great back then, but in 2005 it seems unnecessarily hazardous, at least judging by the Ryanair planes. They have actually changed shape - the lower fuselage beneath the wing, in fact everything aft of the wing, is rippled and slightly distorted. This is not an A320. Full credit to Boeing for building such a tough plane but that's where the good news ends - disintergrating rubber door seals, wall panels coming loose, and everything - everything - rattles and vibrates. I don't need to revisit the glory days of the 70s and 80s when the 737 Classic ruled the sky by going through this terrifying ordeal. I'm sure a -200 could be kept flying indefinitely, for centuries, with sufficient maintenence and there will be 737s in service in the year 2100 assuming we don't all kill each other or run out of oil of course (there are loads of 60 year old DC3s still flying today as working planes). But Ryanair, and, presumably most other airlines still flying the -200 really abuse them, and intend to be the last owners of the type so there's no view to maintaining a resale value, just trash them for a few years in backbreaking service, then chop them up for scrap (Westjet seem to defy the stereotype). Most of Ryanair's -200s are ex Lufthansa, built in 1979 and 1980, which makes them older than most of the people I know.


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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

I must agree that the passenger experience on a 732, even when new, bothered me too. I wondered if it was the short fuselage or the wing design that made it feel a little less stable in active air. Both the 727 and the DC9 felt a little less skittish. I really don't know, just hazarding a guess. The later and longer 737s had a different ride.I wonder if longer planes have better ride characteristics...

User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5578 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 16):
is it November now. That will be November 08 for them then, the way MOL is keeping them on,

They have been sold to Autodirect Aviation and the last one is due to leave the fleet at the end of the year. This is obviously happeing as they are using fewer and fewer of them out of Dublin.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 19):
and everything - everything - rattles and vibrates.

They remind me of U2: plenty of Rattle and Hum. For anyone nervous of flying they must me a nightmare.


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1798 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

I know exactly what you mean. It is the same feeling I get when I board a A320!

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11070 times:

I'm not a person that knows too much about thechnical aspects of aircrafts, but we have a fair amount of 732's in Argentina. In fact, most of the AR fleet is made of 732's (although it is now in the process of upgrading to 735's) and I'm not bothered to fly them at all. If I'm correct, AR has not had a single 732 involved in an accident, and the only Argentine 732 involved in one was a LAPA flight (LV-WRZ) in 1999, and there the crew ignored takeoff warnings.

just my .02!

regards



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15):
Roll on November. I won't be sorry to see the last of them at Ryanair. . .

What's wrong with that plane? She's just finally looking like she's broke in. Big grin

Quoting EADC8 (Reply 17):
The Little Engine That Could:

How in the heck is that chick still standing??????

fluffy


25 Alitalia744 : Crownvic, I was gonna post the same thing. Give me a 727, 732, or DC9 anyday over the A-bus...
26 DENplanenut : I think what bothers me the most is the age. I remember one time flying from DFW to BTR in one of them... it was really windy while landing so the spe
27 N270ft : It's MD80's that make me nervous too. I was on a Delta one from EWR-ATL last week and had the exit row 25a and there were all these funny noises comin
28 Delta732FF : I fly twice a week on a 732. Always a delta bird too. They have some age on them for sure, but they are maintained well and have great pilots.
29 Post contains images Cxsjr : I flew 5 domestic legs on LAN Chile late last year; I have to say I was gutted when the scheduled A320 from Puerto Montt to Punta Arenas was substitut
30 Post contains images Scbriml : That's the whole thing that makes them great (ditto Tu-134s). When you hear a 732 at the airport you get a idea of what civil aviation was like in th
31 Eirjet : The -200 series is my favourite aircraft, I will be sad to see it leave the ryanair fleet. The engine roar, the reverse trusters, I can't get enough o
32 HBIHLtoEZE : it depends on the aircraft maintenance - not the age is relevant. If age was an issue NW would not be allowed to fly again (keeping Douglas' glory alo
33 N587NK : The first time, and possibly the only time I have ever been on a 732, was a good experience. It was WN, dont remember where from, possibly IND-MDW, it
34 Speedracer1407 : MD80s? Funny that those have a reputation for fear in this particular thread. I know some of them are pretty old, but atleast with AA's fleet, many ar
35 Post contains images Glideslope : Relax, it will be ok. Look at the bright side. At least a Boeing Airframe is designed to last past 10 years.
36 Pe@rson : I disagree: the 732 has great character and is fun to fly. OK, so the 738 is more modern and arguably more comfortable, but it loses out completely o
37 Post contains images SNATH : Yes, they are noisy. But, in which other plane can you see this? Tony
38 HAWK21M : The Patch work is a part of a Mod carried out.It may look Patched,but it has just undergone a Mod that will serve it longer. regds MEL
39 Post contains images CM767 : Could it be the little lines of oil that keeps running along the engines?
40 Western737 : No matter how it looks nowday, how old they are, and how it sounds... The Baby Boeing will always top of all. It is already a top legend after DC-3. A
41 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : Maybe this Link would calm you down. regds MEL
42 Badgerguy : I don't like them either. I think it's the small engines.
43 Access-Air : My most memorable 737-200 flight was in February 1986 on a Fontier Airlines lines 737-295Adv, N7355F taking off out of Rockford going over to Chicago
44 TWPHIL : i share your mixed feelings on 732..Westjet is not using any 737NGs so far..so why don't u fly with a state of the art modern Air Can Airbus A320 fami
45 Tockeyhockey : I'd have to say that flying an ATR-72 is a pretty un-nerving experience for a couple of reasons: 1. if you don't have a full flight, they will ask pas
46 Wrighbrothers : Pehaps you get un-nerved by the 737 200 because when it reaches full spead it starts to vibrate and also the engines are LOUD !! Happy Flying !!
47 TinPusher007 : I just flew TPA-ATL two days ago on DL and was kinda dissapointed when I knew it was a -200. But I was pleasantly surprised when I boarded. They are i
48 EZEIZA : This happened to me once as well, but on F-100 Montenegro Airlines. I was on the TGD-ZRH flight and it must have been 30% full, so they seated everyo
49 Ncfc99 : I recently flew MAN-DUB on a Ryanair 200. I was filled with a mixture of excitement and fear as I knew that it was going to be an old plane. Whilst on
50 BeechNut : That's not true and has not been since 2001. The 737-200s are scheduled to be phased out soon, can't remember if it's by the end of this year or next
51 ZSOFN : I LOVE the 732. Flown on SAA, Comair and Ryanair variants. Will be such a shame to see them go. Last week I flew on one of Flybe's older BAE146-200s &
52 Post contains links BoeingFixer : Hi TWPHIL, You may want to check out the Westjet website before you say they are not using any 737NG's. Check out their fleet here. BTW, Westjet plan
53 Geo772 : My least favorite plane that I have ever flown on has to be the A320 family. Every time I have flown on one there are always a large number of power c
54 Post contains images Slashd0t : yeah, WestJet has been using the NG's for quite ahwile ago.. I fly on them every few weeks and love them They also have satellite TV with 24 channels
55 A332 : What the hell are you talking about? WS is currently flying a large 737NG fleet and has been flying this aircraft type since 2001. Sheesh.
56 Udo : And whose airframes are not designed to "last past 10 years"? Regards Udo
57 Post contains images HR001 : Even though pilot error, it was an accident!
58 Irish251 : Considering that as a rule aircraft do not just “fall out of the sky” or “fall apart” as the mainstream media would have us believe, I’m sur
59 Philb : Excellent post Irish 251. My last flight on an FR 200 was ABZ-DUB on Jan 3 this year, probably the last chance I'll get before they move on - some to
60 YOWza : I personally can't stand the BAe-146. I still remeber flying AMS-EDI on Air UK. Still gives me the chills.
61 Philb : So, come on, what's wrong with the 146? Excellent views including the operation of the wing surfaces, and the landings are something else - almost fee
62 Post contains images GQfluffy : Quoting another thread... "Cuz they're loud as F*CK..." fluffy
63 YOWza : Well it may be a "Whisperjet" so engines etc are nice and quiet. However the cabin itself just feels odd can't quite put my finger on why! This was no
64 Yeggerman : From my understanding is WS is down to less than 10 - 732, with the last one being retired early 2006 (by retired I mean shipped to apollo) I think t
65 Philb : GQfluffy, If you think the 146 is loud you must have a hearing defect.
66 AR1300 : wsn't that one a 73G??? Like EZEIZA said, don't fly AR....AEP it's 732's mecca, and AR the Mullah.... Mike
67 Post contains images GQfluffy : Phil- Er, for some odd reason, the reply I quoted didn't "quote". Oh well. I was refering to them JT8s on the Fat Albert.
68 Orion737 : I grew up flying the 737-200 on all the British charter airlines. You couldnt avoid going off on holiday on one in those days. Dan Air, Orion, Britann
69 Post contains images MD11junkie : A 737-200 All 737-700 that were operated by MJ are currently operated by other carriers, none of them have been w/o. The 737-200s are leaving the AR/
70 Access-Air : I couldnt resist.... My most recent trips on 737-200s were in Dec of 2003 on America West from SFO-LAS and then this year on a Delta machine from ATL-
71 Post contains images MD90fan : Yeah they are oldies and smokers but I wish Bahamasair would replace them.............
72 Post contains links and images WJA73G : I am going to miss the 732s, I just got on with WS in TAC and it is always neat to see an oldie roll up to the gate... View Large View MediumPhoto &co
73 YOW : I think what bothers me the most is the age. Many 732s are not that old. The last 732s were built at the end of 1988, which is younger than many of th
74 Post contains links and images Rojo : Just flew on two B732's and I really enjoy flying on them. I don't know if it has to do with the loooong take off rol on a mid day departure from MEX
75 Post contains images HAWK21M : Very Few B732/732SFs left in the country. The Pax version will probably be around for a year Max.The Freighters may be another Three. regds MEL
76 Post contains images MD-90 : Amen. Dad has said that real flying was a Southern Scareways DC-3 that leaked copious amounts of oil seemingly on every flight. Airliners can take he
77 Bman351 : The 200's are a damn good plane. I know an engineer that works for WS in YXE and he told me that he had a 200 in the other day and it had 220,000hr on
78 Niconet : I´ve flown for the first time on a 732 of AR in 2003. Since I´m used to fly in not that old planes (´cause in Europe its very difficult to find an
79 Highpeaklad : So the safety cards are right, they DO float ! lol Chris
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