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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17002 times:

I've found this on Aviatsiya.Ru



It's looks really nice - also from inside... click

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16982 times:

Looks great! Its a pity that this bird will mostly fly for Castro instead of on Cubana routes like to Madrid or Paris.

I still have hopes that Cubana will order some A330s or A320s.



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User currently offlineBurberry753 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16895 times:

Why won't it be flying Cubana routes?
cheers  Smile


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16878 times:

Nice machine.Nice livery.
As AlitaliaMD11 mentionned , sad they will not fly to MAD and ORY.
Does Fidel need really this plane , as it seems he doesn't travel a lot anymore.
He already has one ATR42 for himself.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16854 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
Does Fidel need really this plane , as it seems he doesn't travel a lot anymore.
He already has one ATR42 for himself.

when is the damm guy going to die.

This is just more proof of what his version of communism is, equality for everybody, except me. why doesnt he get on one of those old AN24s that dond even have air conditining and start spending what little money hes got left on fixing his countries energy problem, many people dont know, but in cuba electricity is at a reliability rate of about 25%, people have broken TV sets, what little entertainment they had left is gone, and he goes on and spends million of dollars on private airplanes, DISGUSTING.


User currently offlineFraport From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16837 times:

The link in the first post says it's the FIRST IL96 for Cubana. I think one should be enough for Fidel, so maybe we see the next ones in Europe some day? How many do they have on order?

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16707 times:

I think two, one for Fidel and one for their longhaul routes to replace the Air Atlanta B747-400, at least this is what I remember.


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16506 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
when is the damm guy going to die.

Not soon enough!



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User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16453 times:

Three apparently, one with a convertable interior that can be used for government flights.

User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16246 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
This is just more proof of what his version of communism is, equality for everybody, except me. why doesnt he get on one of those old AN24s that dond even have air conditining and start spending what little money hes got left on fixing his countries energy problem, many people dont know, but in cuba electricity is at a reliability rate of about 25%, people have broken TV sets, what little entertainment they had left is gone, and he goes on and spends million of dollars on private airplanes, DISGUSTING.

Very true, except for that bit "what little money hes got left" . Although nobody knows for sure how much his fortune in those Swiss bank accounts is, the bastard is thought to be one of the top 10 richest, as reported in a newspaper article I read a few years ago.


Nice plane though, now that's a sexy eurowhite!


User currently offlineViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15816 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
This is just more proof of what his version of communism is, equality for everybody, except me. why doesnt he get on one of those old AN24s that dond even have air conditining and start spending what little money hes got left on fixing his countries energy problem, many people dont know, but in cuba electricity is at a reliability rate of about 25%, people have broken TV sets, what little entertainment they had left is gone, and he goes on and spends million of dollars on private airplanes, DISGUSTING.

Very true, except for that bit "what little money hes got left" . Although nobody knows for sure how much his fortune in those Swiss bank accounts is, the bastard is thought to be one of the top 10 richest, as reported in a newspaper article I read a few years ago.


Nice plane though, now that's a sexy eurowhite!

Even richer with the help of his revolutionary puppet Mr. Chavez.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15316 times:

Quoting ViasaMSY (Reply 10):
Even richer with the help of his revolutionary puppet Mr. Chavez.

At least he's got the oil part covered now.

So if they use those the -96s to Venezuela, what are they gonna use them for? to fly a bunch of communists on VIP configuration?  Wink


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15293 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
Nice plane though, now that's a sexy eurowhite

Cuba's not in Europe. Therefore it's just white. And paint schemes are not 'sexy', ever. If you think they are, you need to get out more.  Wink


User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14970 times:

Cubana has had this "eurowhite" scheme for a while now.

User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14859 times:

I think I read awhile back that the Cuban govt. has been trying to buy a replacement aircraft to transport Fidel for quite some time but the Ruskies weren't being too cooperative. Guess they were finally able to hammer out a deal.

I don't want to get into politics but when it comes to Cuba, I guess it's almost impossible to resist.

I know Castro's very controversial and not PC at all. But try to keep in perspective, he may be worth $550 million according to Fortune but the Saudi king is $20 billion. That's FORTY times more and that guy gets to fly around in a 747! As far as I'm concerned, the Saudis are almost as sleazy as Fidel with their connections to 9-11. Fidel may oppress his people but at least he isn't getting rich from U.S. business interests. There's plenty of sleazy governments out there that the U.S. has given money to (YOUR taxpayer dollars) that disappeared in a black hole. At least Fidel isn't a hypocrite when it comes to the U.S., we know he hates us. Others smile at our face and take our money while stabbing us in the back. Take your pick. . .  Wink


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14842 times:

Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 14):
There's plenty of sleazy governments out there that the U.S. has given money to (YOUR taxpayer dollars) that disappeared in a black hole. At least Fidel isn't a hypocrite when it comes to the U.S., we know he hates us

You know how much money Fidel receives from AT&T a year? From Sprint? Just to name two American companies...



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User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

LOL, actually Fidel's gotten a lot of indirect financial support from CUBAN-AMERICANS although the tougher new rules set last year by the Bush admin. on family visitations and remittances are trying to limit that.

Trust me, I know how complicated and crazy everything related to Cuba is. . .  spin 


User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14700 times:
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Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 14):
I don't want to get into politics but when it comes to Cuba, I guess it's almost impossible to resist.

You're right, and it seems (not against you at all) the people have no idea on what they are talking about.

CUBA RECIBIRA EL PRIMERO DE DOS AVIONES Il-96-300 ADQUIRIDOS PARA EL USO EXCLUSIVO DEL DICTADOR

The anti-Cuban 'media' screams. And this rubbish get's picked up by the mainstream media.

The facts are:

YES 2 Il-96-300M have been ordered
YES the cost is in the league of $100 million

BOTH aircraft will enter the Cubana fleet and will be operated on scheduled/charter flights, and when required, will be used by Castro, which will have a smaller cabin in the (presumably) front of the aircraft.

NO none of the aircraft are going to be used by Fidel exclusively
NO none of the aircraft is going to fitted out in exclusively for VIP flights

Now tell me one thing people. Who's the most brainwashed people? The people in Russia and Cuba who got the CORRECT information, or the people outside of Russia and Cuba who got the FALSE information and ranted on like it was CORRECT? (Directed at replies #4, 9, 10)

Reply #32 in this thread, dealing with Castro and the Forbes assumption issue, sums up those opinions (4,9,10) in this thread nicely.

Don't worry. It's atypical of these forums. People making wild accusations without providing a shred of evidence to back it up. The thing is that these people repeat the same baseless things time and time again, and so after a while it is taken to be fact.

Others, go elsewhere for your info I guess.


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14595 times:
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Just wondering, how many il-62m's and tu-154's does Cubana currently operate. Any chance of seeing tu-204's and tu-334 in Cubana's fleet? The il-96-300 looks great in Cubana's color scheme

User currently offlineTP313 From Portugal, joined Nov 2001, 260 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14545 times:

The Il-96 was a really nice concept when it was announced... in 1987!

The problem is that the PS-90 are crappy engines on an otherwise soundly
designed airframe. Meanwhile the design grew older and the A332 happened...

I'm afraid these late sales to Cubana and Aeroflot are sadly Il-96's swan song...


User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Soyuzavia,

your info is probably right regarding the use of the planes. One word of advice, I would take any PR or "news" announcements by the Cuban goverment with at least a grain of salt. Still, it does make perfect sense to me that the aircraft wouldn't be exclusively for Fidel and his crew. The Cuban govt. simply can't afford to buy a plane that costly and have it sitting around doing nothing most of the time; they're going to be milking it for tourism, cargo, etc. . .

On a side note, I've flown on Cubana from NAS to HAV several times and it can be quite a stressful experience.  Wink

I've flown on an AN24 and a Yak42. Neither, I would want to fly on again. The AN24 had the interesting "white smoke" effect when the ac went on during flight which put a disconcerted look on some of the passengers. I had read about this in advanced so I was mentally prepared!  Smile They also left my luggage behind in Nassau, probably because of a Cuban-American family that treated the plane like their own personal cargo carrier.  Wink I had to go back to the airport the next evening to get my luggage.

The Yak42 had an annoying high-pitched whine made even more annoying due to the oscillation effect from having 3 engines. The plane also seemed to "feel" underpowered, landing felt "weird" compared to modern western jets.

On the other hand, the IL-18 was a great experience. It was a very smooth ride and you'll never forget the throaty roar of those 4 powerful turboprops. Too bad the flight was almost freakin' 90 minutes late and I was stressing about missing my connecting flight back to the States!! I've also flown on an ATR42 which was, of course, a smooth flight.

The IL-62 doesn't look fun to fly, especially if you're sitting in the back close to those 4 engines. I would hope the 96 is an improvement but I'm not exactly eager to try it out!  Wink  Wink


User currently offlineHEGAN From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14265 times:

At least the airplane looks great!

It is sad that the only possibility to see these birds abroad are in companies from Cuba or North Korea.

This from the aeronautical point of view, of course.

Agur,
Hegan



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User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 873 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Luisca - this planes were ordered way before this energy crisis and where probably bought years ago. (btw: My mom is currently in Cuba and she says, the apagones are reducing each day.) Luckily there are enough centrists among us because all this extremism is just plain sad.

Its good that Cubana got these long range planes, which as someone said, were great in 1987. As far as I am concerned it must dent the Cubana budget to have to lease planes for their European routes.



"Like all great travelers, I have seen more than I remember, and remember more than I have seen."
User currently offlineTraindriver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14083 times:

For Turbo7x7 reply 20
I flew on many BOAC VC-10's in the late 60's early 70's.
The IL-62 and VC-10 basically look like twins. I flew in
the back of the 10 and if I remember correctly, it was
no louder than a MD-80 type of jet. However, I have no
idea about the sound-proofing on the 62.


User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13919 times:
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Quoting TP313 (Reply 19):
I'm afraid these late sales to Cubana and Aeroflot are sadly Il-96's swan song...


Huh? Volga-Dnepr and KrasAir have just placed orders. There is talk of Transaero getting some. Sales to Libyan Arab are being looked at. As are some sales to China and Iran. VASO will also participate in the tender for Syrian Arab. The Il-96 program has turned a corner for all intents and purposes.


Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 20):
your info is probably right regarding the use of the planes. One word of advice, I would take any PR or "news" announcements by the Cuban goverment with at least a grain of salt.


I take all "PR" from Cuba, US, Russia, anywhere with a grain of salt. It's all about looking deeper behind the information. Such as in this case, anti-Castro media is screaming that the "dictator" is getting aircraft for his exclusive use, yet photos of the aircraft in Voronezh clearly show an airline layout.


Quoting TP313 (Reply 19):
The problem is that the PS-90 are crappy engines on an otherwise soundly designed airframe.


The PS-90A is not exactly a crappy engine. It is not exactly a great engine either. It is not perfect, and yes, there have been some problems. BUT the PS-90A2 is a much more efficient engine and put onto aircraft like the Il-96, Tu-204/214, etc will make these products more competitive. The PS-90A2 would be on par with (or very near to) the PW2000 series in terms of reliability and MTBR. As Russian industry consolidates, and as the support network increases (albeit slowly at the moment), it is not out of the realms of possibility to see airlines outside of the traditional Russian sphere to order the Il-96-300 -- the European charter market is but one segment which could use a long-range aircraft with low new acquisition cost and high efficiency. Things such as interiors are up to the airline to fit out -- either come with standard fittings, or get AKKO or another company to do custom interiors. Still some time off, but to say the Il-96 is all but dead -- might have been true 12 months ago -- hell I even said the same thing -- but the program is turning a corner.


25 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Trust me, I feel the same way about those who think winglets look amazing and call airplanes "she". Paint schemes can be sexy, unless your gay of cou
26 Post contains images Udo : You're just funny... Regards Udo
27 Armada : Hammer meet nail. Welcome to my respected user's list x707. Your truly, Armada - son of Cuban parents who experienced this first hand 1959-1966.
28 Post contains images Alberchico :
29 TheSonntag : Could you try to keep politics out of this discussion, please? There are many reasons to dislike Castro, however, the US politics towards Cuba, especi
30 Post contains images Arcano : Right, actually I thought that IL96 was out of production. What ILs are still in active production line? yeah those evil communists... the are probab
31 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : same here, & thank you i'll take that as a compliment That's what Che Guevara thought too, and his philosophy of instigating hate never got his follo
32 Post contains links Hjulicher : I also think aeroflot placed an order for 6 more Il-96-300's. I don't understand why airlines aren't going for the il-96-400? Go to http://www.ifc-lea
33 Post contains links and images Viasa : Here is the first real picture of it! http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=2233[Edited 2005-08-15 21:50:52]
34 Yyz717 : I'd love to see the CU IL-96 in YYZ. We already get Cubana, and with about 20 weekly flights to Varadero and 10 weekly to Ciego de Avila in the winter
35 Jaysit : What makes you think that this plane will fly for Castro? It looks like its been configured for high density tourist traffic.
36 Post contains images Superfly : Looks great! {Bigthumbsup} I hope that we'll get to see the IL-96 here in the U.S.A. once this stupid embargo is lifted. Damn mobsters down in Miami i
37 Dougloid : That is one fine looking bird. The interior although not thrilling looks competent. According to the federales web site they issued a type certificate
38 Vasu : Lovely aircraft! Although those Economy seats don't have PTVs or anything, they still look really comfortable! Would love to fly one of these from Lon
39 Post contains images Superfly : ...and you get free cigars and some of the best rum in flight. To hell with a silly PTV, you'll meet a lot interesting people inflight going to Cuba
40 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Man, that is one BEAUTIFUL plane on a SHARP livery. wow. My favorite livery/plane combination now. The Cubana tail design fits this plane perfectly an
41 Bhmbaglock : By and large, I think the Cuban people were much less exploited pre-revolution than post-revolution and would love to see anyone offer a rational fac
42 Orion737 : Bet the seat pitch on those Cubana flights to Europe beats that offered by UK charter carriers flying to Cuba. A Thomas Cook or Monarch 330 in a 3-3-3
43 MIAMIx707 : They can't.. Too bad some Euros and some Americans don't care as long as they can go to another country on the first case to get some sun, on the lat
44 Post contains links and images Manzoori : Hehehe! Almost got it right! Rez
45 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : I actually like yours better. The titles under the windows, and the red on the tail isn't as thick (keeping it true to the livery on the rest of the
46 Post contains links Aviadvigatel : for Hjulicher re: PS-90 engines- For information on these engines, you can go directly to the Aviadvigatel web site at www.avid.ru The site is in engl
47 FCKC : As i already mentionned in another thread , it is confirmed that ILL96 CU will fly to Orly at the beginning of next year , at the end lease time of 74
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