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Beechcraft Starship..Why Was It A Failure?  
User currently offlineA5XX From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

I remember seeing a Beechcraft Starship airplane, a long time ago, and I was wondering why so few were sold. It was a beautiful aircraft imho. Can anyone tell us what happened.

Thanks.

Yves.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Try a search, there are several great threads on this one... I'll work on getting you a link.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1996058/


http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1709342

[Edited 2005-07-28 19:47:56]


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

They were pricey to begin with, early versions could only seat 6 pax, the later 2000 could seat 8. While pretty and innovative in terms of design and materials they were not all that practical. Planes like the Super King Air or any number of light business jets could do all that the Starship could do, and more, for often less.


Because of the relatively small production of these planes, 53, Raytheon decided that it was too costly to continue to support them. So they have bought back most of the airframes and are in the process of scraping them.

However there is an admirable grassroots movement to save a few remaining flyable frames and support them as far into the future as possible.
http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Starship.htm



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

It was a composite aircraft built when little was known about the construction of composite vehicles. It was way over design weight, slower than anticipated, and did not meet range targets. Around $1 billion was spent on the Starship project, but only 50ish were sold. It was a financial disaster for Beech, so the program was scrapped soon after it started in the early 1990s.


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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Beautiful aircraft, however the certification process took to long for most customers tastes. It also had a max cruise speed of 335 knots, only 20 knots faster than a King Air 350. The Starship also only had a range of 1600 n.m comapared to over 1800 n.m. for a King Air 350. It's a pretty plane, but why pay twice as much for a plane with lesser capabilities?

[Edited 2005-07-28 19:49:39]

User currently offlineA5XX From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Thanks!

Anyway, it's sad to see them being scrapped like that.  Sad


How much were these aircraft selling for, at the time?

Yves.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting A5XX (Reply 5):
How much were these aircraft selling for, at the time?

For some reason I remember that Starship 2000 starting at around US$2 million. I might be able to find a firmer # though.


Actually quite a bit more. According to Bob Scherer's website they were around US$5 million new in the early 90s. Which was still a lot more than a King Air 200 or 350, and close to what similar light bizjets such as the Lear 31A would have cost.

http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Starship%20FAQ.htm

[Edited 2005-07-28 21:16:11]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Anyway, it's sad to see them being scrapped like that..

Agreed..!! I was happy to see that the only Starship I have ever seen is still with us, and now even famous. S/N# 051 was owned by the Tyco Corp and base at PSM where I would see it on a daily basis. It was later sold to a private operator and was later made famous as the 'Spaceship One' chase plane. It is also featured in a program on Discovery Channel.

[Edited 2005-07-28 21:24:22]


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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4307 times:
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Quoting A5XX (Reply 5):
Anyway, it's sad to see them being scrapped like that.

An interesting point: composite aircraft can't be scrapped like aluminum aircraft. You have a choice: bury them in a landfill or incinerate them at high temperature. The Starbarges are being incinerated.


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