HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6714 times:
The A332s are former Swissair and Sabena frames, with the 3 parked ones ex Swissair HB-IQL, HB-IQM and HB-IQN, delivered in 1999 and 2000. HB-IQL operated with Novair of Sweden for a couple of months before eventually joining the Swissair fleet.
Two more A332s, which are currently still in Lufthansa's active fleet are ex Sabena frames OO-SFT and OO-SFU, delivered in 2000.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6701 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8): The A332s are former Swissair and Sabena frames, with the 3 parked ones ex Swissair HB-IQL, HB-IQM and HB-IQN, delivered in 1999 and 2000. HB-IQL operated with Novair of Sweden for a couple of months before eventually joining the Swissair fleet.
Two more A332s, which are currently still in Lufthansa's active fleet are ex Sabena frames OO-SFT and OO-SFU, delivered in 2000.
I believe that Udo was referring to the age of the A310-300 currently in Taps fleet and not the A330.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15722 posts, RR: 47 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6416 times:
Quoting Udo (Reply 3): I fear they will replace the A310s.
They should replace the A340s too since TP has no need for four engines unless they open up MFM again.
BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6371 times:
well, we have no confirmation that this will happen. If TP will get those 330's than there should be a ILFC press release. So till then, I am going to be a little skeptical with the news. I have seen it before where reports from aviation magazine being untrue.
So lets wait and see... But this makes sense they would lease 330's as the A310 are just horrid. (sorry A310 lovers out there....)
TAP1972 From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 396 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6302 times:
Hold on guys
I don't think they are JUST going to replace the A310's. TAP right now needs more planes, therefore if these A330's are ready available I'm not seing TAP replacing 6 A310's with 5 A330's. I would say probably TAP will get rid of 1 or 2 A310's in the beginning and phasing out the others when the B787/A350's start to be delivered.
Probably 1 of the A310's will go to White. I just don't see TAP replacing 6 planes with 5.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2779 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6264 times:
And what about SATA? The current White A310 is an ex-SATA plane, so how many A310s does SATA have left now? I still see one flying, but how does SATA cope? Will it take an ex-TP A310?
HEGAN From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6238 times:
This is a great news as it makes closer a new possible A350 operator.
Even if the A330/A350 is too big to replace the A310, this is the right one to replace TAP's all long haul fleet (A310 + A340) so the combination of the A358/359 should fit them very good!
Of course the B787 still has possibilities, as operate now the B767 will no have much sense.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6115 times:
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 16): So lets wait and see... But this makes sense they would lease 330's as the A310 are just horrid. (sorry A310 lovers out there....)
BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
A310 is a horrid airplane and I personally don't like it. It's my conclusion and from flying on TP and I don't know why exactly. But maybe it's the look, interior, seats, or the size... or loosing the rudder incidents.. But same goes for the AA's A300. These were early Airbus models so one has to expect the subsequent models to be better. So TP going to the A332 is great news!
I just prefer a 767 any day if you want to compare apples to apples. But I prefer a A332 over a 767... so it has nothing to do with Airbus or Boeing...
But I must say that the safety record for the Airbus A300/10 isn't the greatest.
Look at airsafe.com and A310 and it's not very good.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5983 times:
Hi!
Well it looks that like it was shared some tima ago that TAP is accepting ILFC proposal to replace the A310 by the A330-200's. Because ILFC owns the A310's I agree with TAP1972, TAP will gradually replace the A310 by the A330 and I also understand that because TAP needs more capacity probably the first 3 ex: Bluewings will come first. Another interesting thing is the fact that TAP will return to P&W engines after some years. The other 2 that are currently flying for LH fit perfectly to TAP too. I wonder if the new A350 will have P&W engines option?
About the A340's, I think they will be only replaced when TAP gets the A350 or eventually the 787.
Regards
25 WINGS: Hi BoeingBus, thanks for that link. Although am not quite sure if you took the time to read as to why many of those A300/A310 incidents occurred. If
26 Kaitak: How many A310 crashes have there been? Not that many, off the top of my head. There was the Aeroflot crash - we know why that happened. Thai lost two
27 IBE5512: Great news. I can't wait to that baby's flying in TP colors. In about TP A343's and the question of 4 engines or not are not relevant. If TP wants to
28 CV990: Hi! I'm totally in favour that TAP has soon has possible should sale the A340's. The plane is good but when it was ordered TAP had in mind also to fly
29 Velasco: Great news. Still, the remaining question is exactly how these 330's will replace the 310's. As TAP1972 pointed out, if TP is looking for extra capaci
30 WINGS: It would be great if Airbus could offer the A340-500 sized aircraft with less range for those airlines that don't require the range and the extra cap
31 PM: Very unlikely. In fact, forget it! GE are already on with the GEnx and RR are in negotiation with Airbus. They'll soon be aboard. (It'll be announced
32 TAP340: Good news indeed! In my opinion the A340's will stay since they are owned and cater for all the need in routes such as MPM, GRU and JOA (Range and cap
33 Hardiwv: I also agree, and TP invested quite an amount of money to refit their business class (Top Executive) with lie-flat seats. The A340 is perfect for TP'
34 CV990: Hi! I just want to point out what Mr. Fernando Pinto said regarding the A340. They'll not leave TAP until the new model arrives from 2011 on ( A350 or
35 A388: Great news, finally we see some more news on TP and the A332. The A332 will be a perfect aircraft to replace TP's current A313 fleet. And as others ha
36 Dutchjet: Has this news been confirmed or has there been any official announcement by TAP or ILFC or another party? And, which five aircraft are going to TAP? M
37 BoeingBus: There has been nothing announced other than a rumor from an aviation magazine and many A.netters... I wouldn't expect anything from TP or ILFC till S
38 LipeGIG: Also, we will see if RG will drop LIS service as TP now get some new planes and can improve GIG/GRU service (leaving RG planes for other routes like
39 PM: Ex-LH and Bluewings aircraft? But from ILFC? The only problem is that ILFC doesn't own the five planes that are being talked about... If TAP are indee
40 CV990: Hi PM. Did you checked out ILFC home page ( www.ilfc.com )? Well they say there that LH and Bluewings are their clients..... so maybe you can explain
41 RicardoFG: Will TP be adding any new routes now with the new a/c? i had heard that YYZ wasnt a possibility yet because of lack of metal, now whats the excuse?
42 Hardiwv: The only new route, officially announced, is LIS-MCZ nonstop. Yet another destination in the profitable NE Brazil market. Flights will also be increa
43 PM: CV990 (Reply 40) True enough. But the ILFC website doesn't list which types are with which airlines (or, if it does, I missed it - sorry). Bluewings c
44 CV990: Hi PM. Thanks for your reply and I also agree that maybe AMS Aircraft, Wouters and Commuter could be branches of ILFC or eventually off-shore companie
45 PM: CV990 I'm not at my usual PC and I don't have access to various lists and files so I can't easily check but ILFC probably still have A330s on order. C
46 LPLAspotter: Geee, I don't know, I don't know why exactly, but maybe it's because you are not actually too bright . At least you sure don't sound like it. LPLAspo
47 Backfire: TAP said in March that it was looking at A330s to replace the A310s.
48 CV990: Hi PM. I just checked out another homepage that gives a full details about Airbuses ordered and delivered ( www.Airlinerlist.com ) and in the A330 par
49 PM: CV990 Thanks. My understanding is that planes are not built for leasing companies until they have customers ready to take them. For example, ILFC orde
50 BoeingBus: Well, if you 'don't know' just please ask... but you taking cheap shots at someone elses opinion is just not cool. I'll say it again... I don't parti
51 Dutchjet: With the A330 line rather booked up with lots of orders - if TAP has to wait for new build aircraft (via ILFC) its going to take a while for TAP to re
52 WINGS: Hi BoeingBus, I dont know if you actually read my last post if not please do so. Regards
53 Orion737: I suspect the 330-200 will take over many of the Brazillian routes while the 310s will supplement the 320s on busy European services and continue to s
54 WINGS: Hi Orion I too agree with your theory as to the future of the A310-300 in Taps fleet. Just one correction Portugal no longer has colonies. Its former
55 CV990: Hi guys! Let's keep our mind with what Mr. Fernando Pinto said. TAP will have the A330-200 has a transition airliner for either the A350 or the 787, I
56 WINGS: In the Interview to DN newspaper Mr Fernando Pinto spoke the following: (Sorry only in Portuguese) If the order is given to Airbus than they we will
57 TAP1972: One thing is for sure, TAP needs urgently new planes. It came to my knowledge that TAP has beaten a new record. TAP has transported more passengers in
58 WINGS: That is really excellent news. Even thought Portugal is facing financial troubles Tap seems to be overcoming this. Do you know more or less by how mu
59 Brons2: Can I add my name to a small list that actually likes the A310? Well, at least when it's not holiday configured 3-3-3 anyways...
60 LPLAspotter: If you don't like them fine, but describing them as horrid is ridiculous. Most rudder issues are nothing compared to the Boeing 737 (do you find them
61 WINGS: I could not have said it better myself. Although its normal for some people to try and find some problems with something that isn't broken. Regards,
62 Heavierthanair: G'day Airbus A330-203, D-AXEL will be delivered to TAP in jan06, to be followed by D-ARND and D-ARNO it says here http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regd
63 Heavierthanair: G'day More info on the ex Swissair ex Lufthansa ex Bluepanorama aircraft s/n 305 Airbus A330-223 D-AXEL Blue Wings, ex F-WWYI, HB-IQL, D-AIMA s/n 312
64 CV990: Hi! Great information indeed Heavierthanair!!! So it's clear that these 3 Bluewings A330-200's will get to TAP BEFORE the 2006 summer season starts. N
65 WINGS: HI Everyone, Just three questions. Will the two ex-A330-200 coming from LH, also be powered by PW engines? Or are they RR or GE? In respect to the thr
66 CV990: Hi! LH A330-200's have also P&W engines. So that means that TAP will operated during 5 years with P&W and then it will have to change. I wonder if in
67 ChiefT: The PW engine gives the A330-200 the best performance in terms of range and fuel consumtion. It allows approx 500nm more range compared with the GE o
68 WINGS: So OGMA are not qualified to do maintenance work on PW engines? Regards, Wings
69 WINGS: According to the Tap Maintenance site, they are currently certified overhaul the following engines, PW: JT3D and JT8D RR: RB211-524B4 CFM INTERNATIONA
70 TAP1972: in TAP's web site: "TAP WITH MORE THAN 47.500 EXTRA SEATS Between July and September TAP with more than 47.500 extra seats for destinations in Europe
71 JJMNGR: I think that as soon as TP realizes how good tool are the A332´s they will put them to fly on some A343 routes and seems the A343 have its day counte
72 CV990: Hi! When I talk about engine maintenance I must stress the point that if TAP is going to do overhauls to those leased A330-200's they must be certifie
73 BoeingBus: Hey, last time I checked is that we are allowed to NOT like an airplane? I just don't like the A300/10. and you dont have to prove your case of why y
74 WINGS: Yeah I too love the good old L1011. I respect your opinion on disliking the A310. Although I don't agree with your opinion regarding its safety recor
75 TAP1972: Are you kidding? They promissed a lot in the beginning and it was just that..... Not to mention a lot of strange stories.... We cannot forget about t
76 Airbazar: As far as I know, SATA is in no way affiliated with TAP. Check out this page: http://www.tap.pt/eportal/v10/PT/jsp.../relatoriocontas/orgaossociais.j
77 PM: I'm moving house and don't have immediate access to my usual PC but RR certainly have the greatest market share of the whole A330 programme (-300 and
78 Dutchjet: Well, thanks to Heavenintheair's post, the situation with TAP and the A332s is begining to make sense and we have a clearer picture of what is going o
79 WINGS: Thank you PM that has been very helpful. Am surprised that Airluxor also operate PW. Regards, Wings
80 BoeingBus: Correct. I was trying to find a reason to not like the A310. Maybe it was a poor excuse and sorry for that. But you have to admit that one has to loo
81 WINGS: At least you are honest in admitting that you were looking for a reason to put the A300/310 down. As far as the media is concerned some are even bigg
82 CV990: Hi! I would to congratulate Dutchjet for his insights on TAP renovation of their long-haul fleet. It is a very bright and interesting exercise and I w
83 LPLAspotter: Hmmmm, they don't exactly live toghether, but they are no strangers in bed either. Both companies code share on each other's flights to TER, Pico, SM
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