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If ORD-DEL, Why Not MIA-NRT?  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

To those who are more skilled in the aircraft performance of long distance flying, if AA's 777's can make the ORD-DEL flight, could they also link MIA with NRT? According to GC, ORD-DEL is 7484 miles, MIA-NRT is 7436, almost the same distance. Also in comparision, ATL-NRT (at 6850 mi) follows virtually the same routing as a MIA-NRT, so could it work?

I would assume a MIA-NRT flight would be succesful given the strength of AA's MIA operations and the strong O&D of South Florida.

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

ORD-DEL has almost no headwinds. MIA-NRT has heavy headwinds on the westbound portion. This would create heavy payload restrictions, especially with cargo. Cargo would be a major source of revenue on any MIA-NRT flight, and a key component of making it profitable.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):

I would assume a MIA-NRT flight would be succesful given the strength of AA's MIA operations and the strong O&D of South Florida.

There isn't that much O&D demand for MIA-NRT. If AA were to open the route, much of the traffic would be passengers connecting from South America on to Tokyo, much like LAX is used today. AA will not open this route until the 787 is introduced.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Seeing how the headwinds must also affect ATL-NRT, is that flight prone to unskd fuel stops enroute?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
There isn't that much O&D demand for MIA-NRT.

There is enough Miami-Asia demand to fill a daily flight to Tokyo. Now, weather it would be profitable or not is iffy, the yields probably would not be that great, and, like I said, it is cargo revenue that would contribute to the bottom line. As you said, good 787 route, and that's when I would expect it. Along with BOS-NRT, a similar sized market.



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

I'd like to see AA start ORD-Brazil.


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Seeing how the headwinds must also affect ATL-NRT, is that flight prone to unskd fuel stops enroute?

When DL operated the MD-11 on the route, yes, unscheduled fuel stops were common. Since then, the 777 can operate the route much better. There have, however, been a few with the 777 but it's not common.

Jeremy


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):
much like LAX is used today.

As well as New York.

JAL does same-plane service to S.America via Kennedy.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7565 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

#1 obtaining slots in NRT
#2 MIA is in the far southeast and would capture virtually no connecting traffic from the rest of the US


User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

I would love to see a BOS-NRT route, sadly if it were to happen, it wouldnt bee for another 6 years.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
#2 MIA is in the far southeast and would capture virtually no connecting traffic from the rest of the US

the same could be said for BOS, with the exception being new england and nova scotia.


MAH, how did you find your numbers for a daily flight from MIA to Asia being full?


I know quite a few people that would love a non-stop flight from BOS to Asia.


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