AvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9378 times:
AI Boeing skids on Mumbai runway, airport closed
An Air India Boeing 747-400 from Bangalore skidded and overshot the runway in Mumbai and got bogged in the softground at the end of the track on Saturday morning.
There were 335 passengers onboard the flight that was later scheduled to go to Chicago via Frankfurt.
According to reports, all passengers onboard are safe.
The secondary runway, which was opened to traffic two days ago after disruptions because of heavy rains, was again forced to be closed.
The main runway is still not available as the landing and navigational aids are unserviceable.
Passengers are being deplanned and brought to the terminal building while efforts are on to extricate the aircraft.
According to Airport officials, the nose-wheel went into the slushy mud, and airbags would be used to lift the undercarriage and pull it back on the runway.
The incident happened at around 7 am when it was raining heavily. All incoming flights to Mumbai have been diverted, the sources said.
The out-bound flights have also been held up though the Airports Authority of India is planning to allow flights to take off from the main runway, the sources added.
C172 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9377 times:
Thank goodness everyone was okay!
ALL incoming flights have been diverted? I wonder how many thousands of pax are affected. Good luck AI.
AirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9297 times:
Aircraft was VT-EVJ which was also grounded at LAX a few days ago.
It has now been turned around and taken to the bay. Take-off's have started from 27 and 14 will be opened anytime for landings. Some of the intl. flights which took off today late morning included NWA and BA 138 which was going to DXB!
"You don't have to be crazy to be in aviation, but it helps", JRD Tata
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3087 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9052 times:
Quoting AvioGuy (Thread starter): An Air India Boeing 747-400 from Bangalore skidded and overshot the runway in Mumbai and got bogged in the softground at the end of the track on Saturday morning.
Any guesses on why this might have happened? I'm sure the official version will take forever and blame everyone other than the concerned person/s .
AirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9022 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 7): I'm sure the official version will take forever and blame everyone
that is so true...This was shown on TV and it was made a big deal by the media even though aircraft slipping on wet RWY's is not that rare all across the world. Patel says he will order a DGCA enquiry about this incident.
That's ridiculous.
EVJ after being towed to bay was operating normally. It has already left for chicago / frankfurt at about 12 noon.
"You don't have to be crazy to be in aviation, but it helps", JRD Tata
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8907 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 7): Any guesses on why this might have happened? I'm sure the official version will take forever and blame everyone other than the concerned person/s
Touched down later on the Runway,Reduced Braking My guess.
Quoting AirIndiaOne (Reply 8): Patel says he will order a DGCA enquiry about this incident
Every Incident is reportable to DGCA.
Media is hyping it again.Talking to Pax only increases the panic.Talk to the Airline Spokesperson.
regds
MEL
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2796 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8852 times:
Quoting AirIndiaOne (Reply 8): This was shown on TV and it was made a big deal by the media even though aircraft slipping on wet RWY's is not that rare all across the world. Patel says he will order a DGCA enquiry about this incident.
That's ridiculous.
I saw it on TV too and the ridiculous comments that the Star News reporter was making "that this has never happened before" etc etc.
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8841 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9): Media is hyping it again.Talking to Pax only increases the panic.Talk to the Airline Spokesperson.
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10): I saw it on TV too and the ridiculous comments that the Star News reporter was making "that this has never happened before" etc etc.
so much so for our enlightened media, what I am afraid of is that poor senior pilot will be screwed to save so many political necks..
our media really sucks!! will they tell that the aircraft left after couple of hours.
rgds
VT-ASJ
IsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8799 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10): I saw it on TV too and the ridiculous comments that the Star News reporter was making "that this has never happened before" etc etc.
The aircraft seemed in perfect flying condition.
These TV reporters have to be very careful when using words. This type of incidents are not uncommon and these media people are scaring innocent passengers.
I am glad that every one is safe. Wish all the best to AI.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8795 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 11): our media really sucks!! will they tell that the aircraft left after couple of hours.
Record 90 mins to tow a B744 after over shoot.That would not be sensational news to the media
I can Imagine the Pressure on them [rescue team] to do so under the current circumstanses.
Great job.
regds
MEL
IsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8780 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13): Record 90 mins to tow a B744 after over shoot.That would not be sensational news to the media
I can Imagine the Pressure on them [rescue team] to do so under the current circumstanses.
Great job.
regds
MEL
I have to agree with you my friend. Did AI tow trucks towed this bird or did they hire some external towing company?
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8749 times:
Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 14): Did AI tow trucks towed this bird or did they hire some external towing company
AI with help from AAI [Airports Authority of India].
AI used Inflatable rubber Air Bags & Tow trucks.Its an approved procedure for retriving bogged down Aircraft.AI Use their own Equipment.
regds
MEL
IsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8737 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15): AI with help from AAI [Airports Authority of India].
AI used Inflatable rubber Air Bags & Tow trucks.Its an approved procedure for retriving bogged down Aircraft.AI Use their own Equipment.
regds
MEL
Thanks for the information. Very much appreciate it. Keep us updated with any new news regarding this.
Regards
Isu
VC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3677 posts, RR: 36 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8718 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 7): Any guesses on why this might have happened?
In my experience of taxi-ing 747's in the wet, if you turn the tiller too quickly a/c momentum will force the nose wheels to loose grip on the tarmac and the a/c will go straight on.
Quoting IsuA380B777 (Reply 16): Keep us updated with any new news regarding this
Aircraft has been towed away.
14-32 is operational.But only under SVFR.
09-27 is being used for T/Os only until the NAV Equipment [damaged by the Floods] is Fixed.
regds
MEL
Himmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1029 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8588 times:
Passengers were taken to the terminal building and put on board in another Boeing 767-400, which took off at 12.05 pm with a total of 408 passengers and crew on board for Chicago via Frankfurt, AI spokesman Jitender Bhargav said.
The people in rediff have stated that the pax were put on another 767-400. Maybe they are privy to some information which we anetters are not aware about.
Himmat
An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
AirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7569 times:
Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 19): Passengers were taken to the terminal building and put on board in another Boeing 767-400
the Boeing 747-400 u mean...!
The onward flight was not continued on EVJ as said earlier, my mistake!
Still heavy delays for departures from BOM. My uncle who was to fly on the 27th rebooked himself on AI717 whose regular dep time is 1445.
Today pax were on board by 1545 but the takeoff time was 1850 !
Hopefully the schedules come to normal soon
"You don't have to be crazy to be in aviation, but it helps", JRD Tata
28 Airliner777: "...the pilot did not brake hard to avoid skidding" If you brake hard on a wet runway surface you will skid, but then at least the anti-skid system wi
29 Airish: Here is more information on what happened. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050731/asp/frontpage/story_5056045.asp
30 VT977: Indian Express is reporting 2 AI 744's skidded off runway at BOM. http://www.indianexpress.com/full_st...kids~off~runway,~2nd~in~90~minutes Any detail
31 AsstChiefMark: "The Boeing 747-400 aircraft was commandeered by Captain Jagdish Singh, a senior commander and an instructor on Airbus aircraft." Commandeered? Anothe
32 PyroGX41487: ROFLMAO @ reply 31. Yeah, 767-400? I didn't know DL or CO flew those into Mumbai.... Meh. Glad everyone is okay. What was the name of the airplane tha
33 HAWK21M: Read that as "Incident". VT-EVJ. regds MEL
34 CBPhoto: One thing everyone has to understand here is the differences in terms that most are accustom too and the terms the Indians use. A Captain in India is
35 HAWK21M: Well said Its not that simple....There is a seperate Recruitment process & its not so easy. Regarding the Indicent.....I'd say Water on the Runway ca
36 Adam1115: WOW! AI is fitting 335 people on a 767??? Pretty good!
37 AirIndiaOne: Its a typo error which has continued from the top 10 posts. AI doesnt have a 767, the correct type being 747-400.
38 CBPhoto: MEL, That was a little bit of sarcasm, of course it's not that easy. But the point I was trying to get at was that AI is desperate for pilots, and the
39 HAWK21M: Unless its from an A Netter I thought you meant it seriously Aquaplaning or Hydroplaning the real cause & a later touchdown. Currently its still rain
40 IsuA380B777: I am very sad as I saw the flooding in the TV. It must be pretty hard for you guys in Mumbai? Does this flooding affect the AI operations? I wish the
41 Mrniji: There might be a differerence in terms you and the public use, too.. "they will get them from anyway.. where the hell is anyway? Utter bullshit. Read
42 HAWK21M: 14-32 being used has a Min Visability RVR of 800m.Unlike 09-27 whose Equipment was damaged due floods. When Visability drops all Aircraft are affecte
43 Nimish: Looked at in perspective to the unfortunate AF/YYZ incident today - this does not seem like such a terrible outcome any more. I'm waiting for the offi
44 HAWK21M: Thunderstorms were not present at Bom but Bad Visability & Strong winds were. regds MEL
45 COKLHR: I think the pilot did a wonderful job in the circumstances. The Indian media has blown this incident out of proportion.
46 HAWK21M: [ Totally Agree.Political pressure increased after the Media rports. regds MEL
47 Ikramerica: Yes, it does sound like he was correct in his belief that the best course of action was to brake as he did. The nose gear likely just slipped off the
48 HAWK21M: Remember this was the Alternate Runway 14-32 not the normally used Runway 09-27,which was u/s following damage to the Nav Equipment due the floods. T
49 COKLHR: The lengthening of the shorter runway will probably get more political support as a result of the incident and media reports. That's a positive outco
50 Mrniji: You don't know the Government of India. What do they understand of this? They will rather put ^*& committees to study a POSSIBLE increaese
51 HAWK21M: Its unfortunate that there is no Aviation Expert Journalist on the Media teams. regds MEL
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