UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5100 times:
Croatia has it's hands full right now with Europe.. They have a fleet shortage, from what I understand, and Dubrovnik/Split are becoming more and more popular leisure destinations, while Zagreb is growing as a flight destination.. I believe they will continue expanding throughout Europe before going trans-atlantic.. Also, I don't think OU would use a 320 trans-atlantic, it would take a 330 or 763.. The interesting question here is, who will be first to go trans-atlantic.. Croatia or JatAirways..
Zsofn From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
from what I remember when I was in Dubrovnik a year ago, LH and OS have a strong presence in Croatia, with good frequent services to their hubs.
In the case of OS in particular, with their speedy transfer system in VIE, Croatia is already perfectly well connected with the folks west of the pond, (even if the bags aren't - our plane landed 5 mins late and our bags missed the connection - nice start to a honeymoon I can tell you!)
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5550 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4735 times:
I always thought about that. A nonstop flight from ZAG to JFK would be perfect. The large Croatian population in northern Jersey and NY alone would be enough to fill these flights! I could always imagine them leasing or buying an A330 to do this. It'd be nice to go from the USA to Croatia nonstop. I leave for Croatia on Tuesday via JFK, but unfortunately we must stop in BRU, VCE, and then a car ride.
Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
Croatia Airlines will not any Trans-Atlantic flight anytime soon...
They are classified as a Star Alliance "Regional Partner", and part of the condition of them becoming a regional member is that they will feed into major Star Alliance hubs and passengers can connect onto long haul flights.
They would be breaching their memebership if they launched Trans-Atlantic flights.
This also applies to Adria Airways too.
There are a lot of connections available to Croatian's to all the major European Hubs and cannot see a demand for direct flights. If they did offer flights to the US the majors would crush them on price, even if mean't connecting.
Kevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
Quoting Zsofn (Reply 5): from what I remember when I was in Dubrovnik a year ago, LH and OS have a strong presence in Croatia, with good frequent services to their hubs.
I beg to differ with this. LH does not want to even touch Croatia at all. 99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights. Also OS is not that big of a carrier in Croatia either. I go there quite often and I find this all wrong. The only carrier that is in Croatia Airlines is itself.
I do agree that OU is having a fleet shortage and that really needs to be fixed soon. I do not see OU going over seas any time soon. I would say that OU will be first going overseas. However Jat at one time opperated DC10 flights to JFK and a few other US cities
NYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3966 times:
ZAG-JFK is a nice idea, but it won't happen since OU joined Star Alliance. Since that happened, OU has essentially become a feeder airline for Lufthansa. Perhaps OU will codeshare with LH on JFK-FRA, but I can't imagine more than that.
As someone also said, Air Adria is in the same boat.
CB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3639 times:
I work for CO, so I will be non-reving from EWR to either FRA or FCO, if I go from FRA I will non-rev with LH to ZAG, if I go thru FCO, I will non-rev with AZ to Ancona Italy, then just take a boat trip across the Adriatic to Zadar.
Sobelair From Croatia, joined Sep 2000, 353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3432 times:
I agree with NYCflyer, Croatia Airlines introduced new daily early morning flight this summer SPLIT-MUNICH with ATR equipment, emphasizing the role of a feeder airline into Lufthansa network. Supposedly, 40% of Croatia Airlines passengers during summer months are carried on flights between Germany and Croatia, some being tourists but a lot of them transfer passengers through Frankfurt and Munich hubs. (For example, in my company every two months a delegation of 5 to 7 people travels to Barcelona, and they always use LH service via Frankfurt).
The likelihood of direct non stop flights between Zagreb and the USA could could arise once Zagreb gets few more regional flights, so that connecting at Zagreb could be an option for a year round service. I would personally love to CO 757 on a daily round trip EWZ-ZAG in a few years.
This could maybe force Croatia into considering long haul US services.
UA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3352 times:
Quoting Kevin752 (Reply 10): I beg to differ with this. LH does not want to even touch Croatia at all. 99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights. Also OS is not that big of a carrier in Croatia either. I go there quite often and I find this all wrong. The only carrier that is in Croatia Airlines is itself.
That's correct. My family tried to stay in the Star Alliance to earn miles, but it wasn't possible. We flew IAD-LHR on UA918, then BA2882 from LGW-DBK. The only time we could do Star Alliance was from SPU-FCO on OU. (then BD466 NAPLES-LHR) It's a damn good airline, I might add.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 12): I might be there on the same time, which airlines you flying and where you flying from? I will be flying from Denver and so far seems LH is the best deal I can find, what about you?
Have fun! I went there and to Italy in June and Croatia is awsome... especially Dubrovnik.
TripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
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Though there's been a lot of discussion around here about transatlantic flights, nothing seems to have come out of them. For the near future, we can dismiss OU, since they just started making a profit for themselves and still have a long way to go before becoming fully independent. The costs of a long haul a/c, along with flightcrew and mx training, would be a burden OU doesn't need now. The regional fleet is stretched as it is and there are rumors, not altogether far fetched, that there might soon be a new baby Bus joining the fleet.
The answer would lie in a new, independent company with a fleet of mostly long-haulers. There were some rumors (again) a few years back about a new start-up company that would operate 3 742s, but that never happened. However, for now, Croatian operators appear to be content with sure-fire, booked-aircraft regional services and probably consider transatlantic flights to be a risky proposition, given the sure, well-paying business they have on regional routes.
Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 17): 99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights
Not exactly true. LH 733s and Dash 8s are quite frequent at ZAG, as are Austrian Arrows a/c, though they again operate codeshare flights on behalf of OS I think.