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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4806 times:
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Does any one know if Croatia Airlines is going to start a non stop flight to JFK


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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3481 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

...not with its present fleet anyway  Wink or will it be possible following Nouvelair's A32X cross atlantics ?! They may code-share with a North-American airline or continue to feed Star Alliance flights...

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Croatia has it's hands full right now with Europe.. They have a fleet shortage, from what I understand, and Dubrovnik/Split are becoming more and more popular leisure destinations, while Zagreb is growing as a flight destination.. I believe they will continue expanding throughout Europe before going trans-atlantic.. Also, I don't think OU would use a 320 trans-atlantic, it would take a 330 or 763.. The interesting question here is, who will be first to go trans-atlantic.. Croatia or JatAirways..


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4671 times:
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Thanks for the answer

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 2):
Croatia or JatAirways

this is a good question and it was in another thread today that JAT was suppose to rent a 767 for JFK but so far they didn't so I would vote for them to start first



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User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Can see CO operating EWR-ZAG before OU even contemplate transatlantic ops. OU are in Star Alliance as regional memebers to feed traffic into LH and OS hubs.

User currently offlineZsofn From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

from what I remember when I was in Dubrovnik a year ago, LH and OS have a strong presence in Croatia, with good frequent services to their hubs.

In the case of OS in particular, with their speedy transfer system in VIE, Croatia is already perfectly well connected with the folks west of the pond, (even if the bags aren't - our plane landed 5 mins late and our bags missed the connection - nice start to a honeymoon I can tell you!)


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 3):
Thanks for the answer

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 2):
Croatia or JatAirways

this is a good question and it was in another thread today that JAT was suppose to rent a 767 for JFK but so far they didn't so I would vote for them to start first

I would say defenetly JAT !



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User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

I always thought about that. A nonstop flight from ZAG to JFK would be perfect. The large Croatian population in northern Jersey and NY alone would be enough to fill these flights! I could always imagine them leasing or buying an A330 to do this. It'd be nice to go from the USA to Croatia nonstop. I leave for Croatia on Tuesday via JFK, but unfortunately we must stop in BRU, VCE, and then a car ride.

User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Hey Continental

have fun in Croatia, I might be goin the first week of September


CB777


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Croatia Airlines will not any Trans-Atlantic flight anytime soon...

They are classified as a Star Alliance "Regional Partner", and part of the condition of them becoming a regional member is that they will feed into major Star Alliance hubs and passengers can connect onto long haul flights.

They would be breaching their memebership if they launched Trans-Atlantic flights.

This also applies to Adria Airways too.

There are a lot of connections available to Croatian's to all the major European Hubs and cannot see a demand for direct flights. If they did offer flights to the US the majors would crush them on price, even if mean't connecting.


User currently offlineKevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

Quoting Zsofn (Reply 5):
from what I remember when I was in Dubrovnik a year ago, LH and OS have a strong presence in Croatia, with good frequent services to their hubs.

I beg to differ with this. LH does not want to even touch Croatia at all. 99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights. Also OS is not that big of a carrier in Croatia either. I go there quite often and I find this all wrong. The only carrier that is in Croatia Airlines is itself.

I do agree that OU is having a fleet shortage and that really needs to be fixed soon. I do not see OU going over seas any time soon. I would say that OU will be first going overseas. However Jat at one time opperated DC10 flights to JFK and a few other US cities



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

ZAG-JFK is a nice idea, but it won't happen since OU joined Star Alliance. Since that happened, OU has essentially become a feeder airline for Lufthansa. Perhaps OU will codeshare with LH on JFK-FRA, but I can't imagine more than that.

As someone also said, Air Adria is in the same boat.


User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
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Quoting CB777 (Reply 8):
I might be goin the first week of September

I might be there on the same time, which airlines you flying and where you flying from? I will be flying from Denver and so far seems LH is the best deal I can find, what about you?



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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

CaptinTut

I work for CO, so I will be non-reving from EWR to either FRA or FCO, if I go from FRA I will non-rev with LH to ZAG, if I go thru FCO, I will non-rev with AZ to Ancona Italy, then just take a boat trip across the Adriatic to Zadar.


CB777


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Continental (Reply 7):
I could always imagine them leasing or buying an A330 to do this. It'd be nice to go from the USA to Croatia nonstop.

What would be OU´s status in respect of ETOPS ?
-HT



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User currently offlineSobelair From Croatia, joined Sep 2000, 353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Hi

I agree with NYCflyer, Croatia Airlines introduced new daily early morning flight this summer SPLIT-MUNICH with ATR equipment, emphasizing the role of a feeder airline into Lufthansa network. Supposedly, 40% of Croatia Airlines passengers during summer months are carried on flights between Germany and Croatia, some being tourists but a lot of them transfer passengers through Frankfurt and Munich hubs. (For example, in my company every two months a delegation of 5 to 7 people travels to Barcelona, and they always use LH service via Frankfurt).

The likelihood of direct non stop flights between Zagreb and the USA could could arise once Zagreb gets few more regional flights, so that connecting at Zagreb could be an option for a year round service. I would personally love to CO 757 on a daily round trip EWZ-ZAG in a few years.
This could maybe force Croatia into considering long haul US services.


I'll keep my fingers crossed.


User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

An A330 or suchlike could be used for high density flights in the summer for tourists if a daily NYC service is not viable, enabling the plane to be used?

User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting Kevin752 (Reply 10):
I beg to differ with this. LH does not want to even touch Croatia at all. 99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights. Also OS is not that big of a carrier in Croatia either. I go there quite often and I find this all wrong. The only carrier that is in Croatia Airlines is itself.

That's correct. My family tried to stay in the Star Alliance to earn miles, but it wasn't possible. We flew IAD-LHR on UA918, then BA2882 from LGW-DBK. The only time we could do Star Alliance was from SPU-FCO on OU. (then BD466 NAPLES-LHR) It's a damn good airline, I might add.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 12):
I might be there on the same time, which airlines you flying and where you flying from? I will be flying from Denver and so far seems LH is the best deal I can find, what about you?

Have fun! I went there and to Italy in June and Croatia is awsome... especially Dubrovnik.


User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
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Though there's been a lot of discussion around here about transatlantic flights, nothing seems to have come out of them. For the near future, we can dismiss OU, since they just started making a profit for themselves and still have a long way to go before becoming fully independent. The costs of a long haul a/c, along with flightcrew and mx training, would be a burden OU doesn't need now. The regional fleet is stretched as it is and there are rumors, not altogether far fetched, that there might soon be a new baby Bus joining the fleet.

The answer would lie in a new, independent company with a fleet of mostly long-haulers. There were some rumors (again) a few years back about a new start-up company that would operate 3 742s, but that never happened. However, for now, Croatian operators appear to be content with sure-fire, booked-aircraft regional services and probably consider transatlantic flights to be a risky proposition, given the sure, well-paying business they have on regional routes.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 17):
99% of flights to Croatia are LH code shares not actual LH flights

Not exactly true. LH 733s and Dash 8s are quite frequent at ZAG, as are Austrian Arrows a/c, though they again operate codeshare flights on behalf of OS I think.

EDIT: pardon me, quoted the wrong person  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2005-08-02 20:31:59]


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