C172 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8299 times:
What is it, folks? We're talking the most smashing story around.
I heard a story about a fight aboard an American flight from JFK to San Juan, PR in the 80's. The plane hadn't even left the ground yet. The fight took place with the airplane parked at the gate. A boarding brawl. The flight was leaving on a Saturday night at 11:55pm. The "Saturday night special" they called it. Stews dreaded this leg.
A coach-class passenger placed his beloved sombrero hat in the overhead compartment and sat down. When his inconsiderate seatmate destroyed the hat with a careless throw of a bulging carry-on bag, a fight was started.
You can imagine a bar fight scene taking place inside a crowded metal tube, with passengers packed in like proverbial sardines. The hat man accidentally hit another coach passenger who tried to hit back, only to hit another innocent bystander who then threw a punch in the direction of the agressors and, needless to say, chaos ensued.
According to aircrew lore, cheering sections formed on both sides of the aisles. Commands to halt from startled flight attendants went ignored. Police stormed the aircraft to quell the multi-aisle mayhem.
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8104 times:
Given the fact, that most Americans do not respect other people's private property (as evidenced on the door dings and scratches on the cars), this doesn't surprise me either. OTOH the Polish are known to start the fight over a FA refusing to serve them vodka... There was one case in 1997 or 1998 when one drunk passenger threatened to blow up LOTs 767 with a hand grenade after FA told him he won't receive any more drinks... The story has it the captain had to come out of the cockpit, restrain the guy with help of the crew and keep him under close watch for the remainder of the flight. When plane landed at EWR, the guy was picked up by the welcome wagon
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7993 times:
Worst case I recall hearing about was a CO gate agent who had his neck broken by an irate passenger in the waiting area. I don't recall the exact circumstances (whether he was bumped off of a flight or his flight was cancelled or whatever) but he apparently was irate and eventually threw the gate agent to the floor where his neck was broken paralyzing him. I do recall Gordon Bethune took a personal interest in the matter and was intent on ensuring the man would never be allowed to board another U.S. carrier (in the event his criminal trial didn't result in a conviction).
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 1): The story has it the captain had to come out of the cockpit, restrain the guy with help of the crew and keep him under close watch for the remainder of the flight.
Makes for pretty good drama but I think that was pretty stupid of the captain to step out of the cockpit because he put himself at risk of serious bodily injury, thereby jeapardizing the safety of his passengers.
Utapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7903 times:
Quoting C172 (Thread starter): A coach-class passenger placed his beloved sombrero hat in the overhead compartment and sat down.
Odd that anyone flying from New York to Puerto Rico would have been carrying a sombrero! A sombrero is usually associated with Mexico and the American Southwest. Guess the 'legend' could have just used the word to mean a normal hat, but still seems odd.
Living in Mexico City for several years and commuting back and forth to Texas, I have to admit I've wanted to take a couple of those super-sized, bejewled sombreros that tourists lug onboard out of the overstuffed overheads and do my own hat dance right in the aisle. Those things ought to be checked baggage!
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7085 times:
Well, about 10 years ago, there was the case of the pax in first class on a flight from Argentina to JFK that got so roaring drunk and angry from being refused any more booze that he ended up taking a dump on the beverage cart. After they got to JFK, he was arrested, and after a trial got a while in a Federal Prison. I believe that among the pax on the flight were the foreign ministers of Argentina and Brazil, who were going to NYC to attend the bi-annual session of the UN where world leaders speak.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7070 times:
I used to work for AA and am very familiar with the 11:50pm flight to SJU from JFK. For years it was a 747 turn around at 7am SJU-JFK. The flight, 99% of the time, was quiet with everyone sleeping after being served a late night snack. I never heard of the incident mentioned above though I know of another when AA first started serving SDQ that was wild. I'll leave that for another time. But trust me, Puerto Ricans are one of the most travelled group, especially between NYC and SJU and there are very very few incidents. I'm sure no more than any other group.
No argument here, We are Americans because we hold American passports. We are Puerto Ricans first, then American. Just like any Hawaiian is Hawaiian, then American. Even though they are a full state. It is a question of pride, and most do this even in the U.S..
Quoting Utapao (Reply 3): Odd that anyone flying from New York to Puerto Rico would have been carrying a sombrero! A sombrero is usually associated with Mexico and the American Southwest. Guess the 'legend' could have just used the word to mean a normal hat, but still seems odd.
While this is very true, You think anyone is going to tell the difference? In the states Hispanic is Hispanic. And we wear "sombreros" and eat tacos, that's it. I don't get offended at all if I am called Mexican. But this is normal because the largest Hispanic group in the states are Mexicans, therefore everthing is related to their culture.
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6717 times:
Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2): Worst case I recall hearing about was a CO gate agent who had his neck broken by an irate passenger in the waiting area.
This was discussed here a while back and was total chaos! The passenger's child ran into the jetbridge and the agent stopped that parent from entering. Now, don't know if he just body slammed the agent right there, or words were exchanged before that. Either way, I understand a parent trying to get their child, but breaking someone's neck is too much! The agent should just have escorted him to get the child, or just get the child himself.
I can tell you that there were a few people on here that praised the father for breaking the guys neck, saying that "He got what he deserved". Just tells you what kind of evil freaks are on this website.
Kykevin54 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6643 times:
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 13): No argument here, We are Americans because we hold American passports. We are Puerto Ricans first, then American. Just like any Hawaiian is Hawaiian, then American. Even though they are a full state. It is a question of pride, and most do this even in the U.S..
I think there is a bit of a difference. I'm an American first and foremost and a Kentuckian second, and it's been my experience that most people feel that way.
Jetter2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
I am in the Army. I am a soilder first, and a citizen of Texas seccond. If I was comming back from a trip and a guy started crushing the stuff in my bin, I would be polite and try to relocate the hat or something.
But there are somethings that just are un excusable. But petty fights over something as dumb as a hat getting crushed? Come on now.
Flybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5530 times:
Quoting C172 (Thread starter): A coach-class passenger placed his beloved sombrero hat in the overhead compartment and sat down. When his inconsiderate seatmate destroyed the hat with a careless throw of a bulging carry-on bag, a fight was started.
All that for an F-ing hat? Geeze, that is beyond inconsiderate. So a guy could waltz on a plane put and put his p-o-s hat in VALUABLE overhead space and then have my carry-on bag either checked or put way in the back of the plane so I can be last to leave when the plane lands? NO F-ing way.
And don't get me started with people's screeching brats. Is is me, or do parents train their kids to be as annoying as possible on airplanes. If it isn't a toddler running up and down violating everyone's personal space and talking nonsense loudly for without end, it's an infant screaming and screaming for hours. Why must some random person's bouncy little turd be everyone elses problem?
"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4988 times:
Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 8): I guess you could argue that PRs are Americans, but it was a PR flight, what makes you think one or the other was American?
What, from the story, implies that either was Puerto Rican, could just have easily been two Americans of Irish descent going toe to toe. That would make more sense as a true Puerto Rican would not be bringing a sombrero on board unless taking the long way back home. And Puerto Ricans are Americans, just ask the Navy, they bomb the heck out of their island every few months!
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 13): But this is normal because the largest Hispanic group in the states are Mexicans, therefore everthing is related to their culture.
Even in the north east? When I think of New York and hispanics I think Puerto Rican. I mean, Jenny is still from the block isn't she? lol
When I think of air rage I still think of the guy who got up and crapped on the bar cart because they wouldn't serve him. Can't recall the airline but it only happened a few years ago. It made all the newspapers.
B707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
I will admit two true stories. I say they're true because they happened to me back in the 70's while I worked for AA at LAX.
1) Working 3pm-11pm at LAX AA counter, going to lunch at 6:30 with my supervisor. We used to eat at the employee cafeteria which was located under the famous LAX 60's styled building - I wonder if it's still there. Anyway, as we passed the DL counter on the way to "lunch" my boss said, "Oh my God, look at that." A woman in front of the DL counter had dropped her draws and yes, did a #2 and threw it at the counter. They had to peel me off of a limo hood I was laughing so hard and couldn't stop laughing for about 45 minutes.
2) I was working the counter and would get stuck checking in "Marriage Encounter" charters. Couples returning to the East Coast after a California Marriage Encounter weekend. AA had a Friday night 707 charter and my boss felt, since I grew up in NYC, I was the one to check them in. Well, there was always a lot of traffic and people were often late for the charter, which you know what that means. Anyway, couples would come to the counter either completely and weirdly in love or basically ready to kill each other, depending on how the week went. This one night a guy came up, his bag wouldn't make the trip (we had a 12 minute cut off back then, summer of '77) but he would if he ran. When he heard it was a voluntary separation (meaning AA wasn't going to pay for delivery) he stepped back and with full force threw the bag at me. I ducked, he missed but he dented the metal backdrop to the bag belt. I let him board anyway.
I'll leave out the guy who dropped dead on me story and save that for another time.
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