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Kingfisher And The A380?  
User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 6 days ago) and read 3569 times:
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Sorry if this has been discussed before. I was wondering if Kingfisher's A380's would be a new variant similar to JAL'S 747sr's, designed for shorter range, increased passenger numbers, stregnthened landing gears for increased number of cycles.

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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

frankly!! no definate info so far...but i guess not. Unlike Japan they plan to use them on international routes..
rgds
VT-ASJ

[Edited 2005-07-30 15:38:44]


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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
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Thanks Aseem. I didn't consider the possibilities of international routes. Do you know what routes they are considering? How many airports in India will be able to handle the A380? Wouldn't an A340-500 or 340-600 or a Boeing 777-300er be a better choice to begin international services with? Is Kingfisher buying the A380 purely for prestige?

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 2):
Thanks Aseem. I didn't consider the possibilities of international routes. Do you know what routes they are considering? How many airports in India will be able to handle the A380? Wouldn't an A340-500 or 340-600 or a Boeing 777-300er be a better choice to begin international services with? Is Kingfisher buying the A380 purely for prestige?

From all the indications we are getting, A380s are going to be used on North American route. Whether it will be non-stop or via europe shall be a commercial decision at that point of time.
Currently none of the airports in India can handle A380s, but BOM and DEL are being modified to handle them.
Agreed that B772/3, A345/6 shall be a better choice to begin international service, probably that is why they'll be getting A330s first. The sequence of delivery is like this; A330, A380, A350. The possibility of leasing any type of aircraft is always there.
Initially we all through that Kingfisher is buying A380 for sake of prestige, but as dust settled down we came to realize that it was infact a wise decision. A fair balance of A330/350/380 does make sense. Lets see how they handle all this.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

I think they could use the A380 on the Kangaroo route. LHR to SYD, or any where in Europe to Australia. This would make sense because of their location (India is smack in the middle of Australia and Europe), and since no other Indian carrier does it.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 3):
A fair balance of A330/350/380 does make sense. Lets see how they handle all this.

To add to that a 20 strong fleet of A320s and A319s to have feeder service from domestic destinitions to their international ones.


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 3096 times:
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How many Indian airlines are going to be given route authorities to North America? Air India had the sole Indian authority until recently when Jet received Indian Authority and is waiting for final US approval. Did Sahara also get approval to serve North America? How big of a market is there? With Northwest adding service to Bangalore from Amsterdam. Continental nonstop from Newark, American from Chicago and Air India looking to add service to Houston and or San Francisco. Jet wishes to start service from Newark. Which city or cities would Kingfisher consider serving. Washington Dallas or Atlanta? Not to change the subject any news on Air India's fleet renewal?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 6):
Not to change the subject any news on Air India's fleet renewal

 Smile Anyones Guess.
To stay on topic.IT 3rd A320 was due on 30th.Any news.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
This would make sense because of their location (India is smack in the middle of Australia and Europe), and since no other Indian carrier does it.

I have often thought about that. Indian carriers in my opinion should definetly reap the benefits of being inbetween Europe and Australia. An easy and quick connection in DEL or BOM with AI is something that I have hoped for for a long time. Well, we'll see what happens I guess. Indian aviation is changing rapidly as we all now.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
Indian carriers in my opinion should definetly reap the benefits of being inbetween Europe and Australia.

With Pvt operators in the fray.Things will change soon.Now AI & IC should be freed of GOI control.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):

the tragedy is that indian carriers lack both aircraft and vision. As a result SQ and EK are reaping all the benefits of the route. Indian carriers always view market as to and fro India. Hope things change when they have more planes to fly.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 6):
How many Indian airlines are going to be given route authorities to North America?

Recently the U.S. and India signed open-skies agreement. So route authority is really not a problem anymore. The question is how many of these Indian airlines will be commercially viable and survive past 4-5 years. Only time will tell.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Kingfisher & 9W have curtailed Flts on the GOI request to - Fro Mumbai because of the Rains & INOP Runway Equipment.
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MEL



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User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

UB sets up airline co in US

Quote:
The group's Kingfisher Airline Inc is 75 per cent owned by Chairman Vijay Mallya's three children, all of whom are US citizens.

"I am in a unique position. Each of my three kids - Sidhartha, Leana and Tanya - are US citizens and own 25 per cent each. The rest is owned by me. I am a non-resident Indian and my children are persons of Indian origin (PIO)," Mallya told Business Line.

The Delaware-based company would be used to launch international operations from the US to India if Kingfisher India is not allowed to fly abroad.



User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Kingfisher to start Goa service

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

he should indeed make use of his unique position. We want better airlines to North America ASAP.
rgd
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

3rd & 4th A320 Arrives by 11th August.
Gradual buildup makes sense.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Well, word is that the use of the A380s domestically is under review at the moment. Would apparently be full-economy, around 750-800 seats (depending on certification). To increase utilization a routing domestic-Middle East-domestic could be used.

AFAIK, Jet Airways is rumoured to be one of the next A380 sales targets, and Engine Alliance seems to be agressively pushing the GP7200 to Jet.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 17):

Infrastructure needs to grow too  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2253 times:

A couple of things, I spoke to Nigel Harwood, former Airbus exec (the one that slanged off the GoI) and now Kingfisher COO - the 380's and 350's will be used on Indo-US routes. To circumvent GoI rules on 5-year operations he has set up a US firm with his three kids (all US citizens) holding 75%, so that he doesn't breach FAA rules on foreign ownership. If (big 'IF') he gets US DOT approval to fly (and remember he will have to follow US rules on accounting - which should be fun given that United Breweries makes only ONE percent profit margins - on alcohol) he can operate to India under the new open skies treaty. There are issues with the stopover country, but with PeePee signing ATA's left, right and centre, that shouldn't be a issue either.
Two, Kingfisher will launch five daily DEL-BOM flights on August 15 (or thereabouts) at Rs 3,333 plus PSF (Rs 221).



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 19):
To circumvent GoI rules on 5-year operations he has set up a US firm with his three kids (all US citizens) holding 75%, so that he doesn't breach FAA rules on foreign ownership.

You mean Vijay Maliya.Right.
Any date Planned.
regds
MEL



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