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Boeing & Air NZ Prepare For AKL-NYC, 777LR, 787-9  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Interesting Little Article about Boeing and Air New Zealand flying longer routes with the 777lr, and little tidbit about Air Newland and the 737-9.

Passengers may soon be able to fly non-stop from Auckland to New York. Boeing has surveyed customers about their preferences and says these flights, which could last 18 hours, are the future.

The 200LR can stay in the air fully loaded with 301 passengers for about 19 hours covering just over 17,400 kilometres, allowing almost any two cities in the world to be connected non-stop, including Auckland to New York.

Air New Zealand's new economy class seat which is being fitted to its Boeing 747 and 777 fleet was based on the Boeing standard.

The seats are designed to allow a 1.90m (6ft 3in) tall person to extend their legs under the seat in front without their shins touching the bottom of that seat. The seat height at the knees is also optimised for 96 per cent of the population.

The upper seat back is also slightly thinner, despite the installation of seat-back video screens, giving a little more space.

Air New Zealand has an option on the LR as part of its order for a fleet of eight 777-200ER and the all new 787 jets. Though there are no plans to exercise the option in the near future, the type might find a place in the fleet as Air New Zealand develops its network, chief financial officer Rob McDonald says.

Air New Zealand is more likely to rely on the smaller long range 787-9 to eventually open new routes as far afield as India, Canada and the eastern US.

http://www.rednova.com/news/technology/192203/boeing_preparing_for_long_haul

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

You should edit the title and contents of the post because you have written twice 739 when you clearly meant 789!


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12398 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Yes, you'll give poor old Airbus a heart attack; as if they didn't have enough problems without losing an existing customer!

Very interesting news, particularly about the seat design, but sleeping in an Economy seat will always be, well, a nightmare ...


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5880 times:
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Damn, I was all excited. After moving to Australia, I was ecstatic that I would be able to fly on the 739!!!

Hey, the 789 will be nice too.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

What does one do for 18 Hrs? My butt would go numb!!!

PIA777



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5743 times:
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There was me thinking the B739 could join the fleet, oh well. If NZ join the ultra long haul market (A345 and B772LR) then it would have good benfits for NZ.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Actually, AKL-LHR and LHR-AKL should both be easy with the B777-200LR (much easier than SYD-LHR). Both would be flown eastbound, of course.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
Actually, AKL-LHR and LHR-AKL should both be easy with the B777-200LR (much easier than SYD-LHR). Both would be flown eastbound, of course.

I think you might be mistaken here - AKL -LHR is nearly 1000 nm longer than SYD-LHR even by the shortest great circle route

( according to Great Circle Mapper SYD-LHR is 10573 while AKL-LHR clocks in at 11404 )



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5516 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
Actually, AKL-LHR and LHR-AKL should both be easy with the B777-200LR (much easier than SYD-LHR). Both would be flown eastbound, of course.

I think you might be mistaken here - AKL -LHR is nearly 1000 nm longer than SYD-LHR even by the shortest great circle route

( according to Great Circle Mapper SYD-LHR is 10573 while AKL-LHR clocks in at 11404 )

But the wind man, you forgot about the wind, better wind advantage from AKL.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

I honestly don't believe there is the demand for AKL-LHR premium, nonstop service.

I'm even more dubious about JFk/EWR-AKL. Purchasing 2 772LR seems too huge a gamble for a traditionally risk-adverse (small) airline like Air NZ.


User currently offlineB787 From Australia, joined May 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
sleeping in an Economy seat will always be, well, a nightmare ...

You can sleep?  Smile

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 8):
But the wind man, you forgot about the wind, better wind advantage from AKL.

What about return...?


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 4):
What does one do for 18 Hrs? My butt would go numb!!!

PIA777

Half of bottle of sleeping pills for the trip over, & the other half for the trip back



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6394 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Air New Zealand is more likely to rely on the smaller long range 787-9 to eventually open new routes as far afield as India, Canada and the eastern US.

Hmm... India? I'd think of South America before India. Do you mean Canadian cities around the Great Lakes? Would Air NZ trust Air Canada to keep flying? If they can, I wouldn't think we'd be seeing Air NZ flying into Canada for quite a while..

Quoting Zonky (Reply 9):
I honestly don't believe there is the demand for AKL-LHR premium, nonstop service.

So does that mean that you like stopping over in LAX?



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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
So does that mean that you like stopping over in LAX?

Not at all. Do i see sufficient demand for a premium service (let's assume you'd have to look at a 2.5 class 772 config with 34" econ minimum) out of New Zealand? No. Not without destroying yields on the 744 stoppers. Which have just been refitting at huge cost to Air NZ.

The only two airlines in a postition to compete with NZ (hub busting) are VS or BA. Are they going to do it? No. There is hardly the demand not competition to justify the route, and given the additional range issues, the service would no doubt be payload restricted.


User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 8):
But the wind man, you forgot about the wind, better wind advantage from AKL.

But the shortest route is westbound from AKL-LHR - why doesn't it hit the same QF problems?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting Zonky (Reply 14):
But the shortest route is westbound from AKL-LHR - why doesn't it hit the same QF problems?

The easiest way to fly LHR-SYD, LHR-AKL, and AKL-SYD is eastbound. The easiest way to fly SYD-LHR is westbound. AKL-LHR eastbound is only 100nm further eastbound than westbound, so the wind advantage more than overcomes the small additional distance. SYD-LHR is more than 1000nm further eastbound than westbound, so the wind advantage of flying eastbound doesn't overcome the additional distance.


User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

AKL - NYC ?? Would this be a profitable route for ANZ? or are they trying to get to LHR or any other europian city via NYC?

Regards
Isu


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

With the 777LR, what about JNB? Sounds interesting enough I guess. Was a bit shocked or suprised when I read 737-900 though I must admit.  Smile

User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15)

"The easiest way to fly LHR-SYD, LHR-AKL, and AKL-SYD is eastbound"

Now, you are joking, right........or do you seriously expect me to fly from Auckland to Sydney eastbound????
Hmmm! be quite an interesting trip that, and what a/c do you suggest.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6394 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 18):
or do you seriously expect me to fly from Auckland to Sydney eastbound????
Hmmm! be quite an interesting trip that, and what a/c do you suggest.

Look at Emirates' crazy schedules then.. If you can't get to Sydney on that day on F or J class, there's an option there to spend NZD$16,000 to fly on the AKL-MEL-DXB-BKK-SYD flight... That's what I call crazy! Why not just wait an extra day and save about $14,000? This itinary is close enough to going eastbound.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 17):
Was a bit shocked or suprised when I read 737-900 though I must admit

Has Air NZ completed its quota to buy the A320's yet? If not, how many more do they have to buy?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Sorry, I can't believe some of the posts saying that AKL-LON will be easier than SYD-LON because of the winds.  

As already pointed out AKL-LON is a greater distance than SYD-LON. 900nm equates to about 2 hours flying time. Simply looking Boeing's own range charts on www.boeing.com for the 777LR ex LON show that AKL falls well outside the current range circle. The range charts from NYC show that NYC-AKL is right on the limit of what is possible too.  flamed 

Current aircraft cannot reach AKL nonstop whether they fly north, south, east or west from LON.

[Edited 2005-08-02 06:52:30]

[Edited 2005-08-02 06:53:43]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3550 times:
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NZ still have to receive SJs two more A320s then NZ receives the final A320, so 3 more still to come

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I think they have another 15 or so on option. My pick is that they would back more 320s or even 321s before looking at the 739

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 18):
Now, you are joking, right........or do you seriously expect me to fly from Auckland to Sydney eastbound????
Hmmm! be quite an interesting trip that, and what a/c do you suggest.

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant AKL-LHR.

Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 20):
Sorry, I can't believe some of the posts saying that AKL-LON will be easier than SYD-LON because of the winds.

You can believe or not. AKL-LHR has a tailwind. SYD-LHR has a headwind.


User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

'think they have another 15 or SO on option. My pick is that they would back more 320s or even 321s'

most of the airbus options I think when I last looked were for (20) aircraft, if anything a lot of the options will be for A319's, for which they will replace the 733 on domestic runs in about 5 years times , thou there could be some A321 on order as well. ??

But anything from Boeing would be great about now, lets crack into that overbooming CHINA market, that's been talked about SO much, LOL



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
25 Post contains images HanginOut : I don't see the point in NZ flying to Canada, other than YVR. I'm not sure if the demand is there and AC can handle the feed from YVR to points east
26 Trolley Dolley : Zvezda. As I fly between New Zealand and Europe twice a year on average, I am well aware of the effects of head/tail winds on these long journeys and
27 ZK-NBT : HanginOut NZ would be more likely to fly to Canada IMO than AC flying to AKL. As much as I would love to see AC aircraft in AKL. And there is no way t
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