Airknight From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4123 times:
Before everyone jumps on me, i am an aviation enthusiast and frequent flyer (but work for an insurance company)...that being said i was wondering if anyone on the technical side can answer me the following question.
I was flying back to EWR on friday morning and the normal 22L approach and 22R takeoff pattern was in effect. However, I noticed that there were a bunch of RJ's and what looked like a NW320 taking off on RWY 29 as well. Who makes the decisions if they want some planes to take off on 11-29, is it ATC or airline request? I might understand under heavier departure times that they might use the extra runway, but from all the times i have flown in and out of EWR there is no consistency with that thought.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2723 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4075 times:
While I don't know the answer to your question, I have departed and landed multiple times on COEx ERJs from EWR's 11-29, and I would think that COEx would probably be the one airline at EWR that requests to use the runway more than anyone else.
Many of the CO mainline flights need the extra runway length, so the 6800' limits that, but 11-29 works fine for the ERJs and is very convenient to Terminal C, so taxi times are lower.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27926 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4048 times:
Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1): Many of the CO mainline flights need the extra runway length, so the 6800' limits that, but 11-29 works fine for the ERJs and is very convenient to Terminal C, so taxi times are lower.
That is absolutely right. Given the takeoff run and stage length, the ERJs and NW's A320 (in this case) should have no issue using 11-29, while CO's many heavy departures would need one of the longer runways. This allows them to split many of the ops between runways.
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CMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1001 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3934 times:
During the 9-1030am hour its the heavy push for departures and very light on arrivals. So if you are taking off and your destination is over an EAST departure gate or NORTH departure gate and your fuel and weight are ok than you can depart runway 29. Its only on that configuration if we are departing the 22's. Its just a way like you said to maximize the use of runways available. Now on the flip side on around 1-2pm we use runway 11 as an "overflow" runway for the arrivals. They use it for any configuration 22's or 4's. Commonly called as "shooting the gap" Landing 22 and 11.
This is the response from Scott, he is a controller in the EWR tower.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4395 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3790 times:
I was on a CO 737 one time from DAB (Back when mainline still operated the route before 9-11). Coming into EWR we flew an approach parallel to the NJ turnpike from the NE. But I could see out the right side of my window the NJ turnpike, and I wondered why we were off the approach course to the 22's. Then we banked to the right and landed on 29. Never did figure out why we weren't on 22L but I am thankful since the taxi time is much shorter to Terminal C.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8953 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3767 times:
I have relatives in the Summit area right under the approach for Runway 11...mostly it's ERJs and 737s...I think I might have seen a 757 once in a blue moon coming in between 2500 and 3000 at this point in the approach (it's about 10 miles out)...it's not a bad place for doing some spotting.
Coa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3712 times:
When on the 22's you have 22L depts/22R arrivals and on the 04's arriving 04R and departing 04L. 11/29 is the overflow runway for arrivals to give the airport a duel arrival runway configuration that can support RJ's to 777 ops. The trick is that the winds have to be favoring the runway and you have to have 3000/4 to shoot the visuals. This is a circling maneuver so if the winds are not right and the visibility drops below 3000 crews start to refuse the runway and when this happens you get an arrival rate drop (usually from 50-45 per hour to 38-40 per hour) and depending on what configuration TEB is landing can also trigger the availability of the overflow usage. The demand for EWR is up at 40 aircraft per hour starting at 1700Z and continues through 2359Z so when either the winds or ceiling (sometimes it is not a hard ceiling but a haze layer) prevents the usage of 11/29 that is how you get the typical afternoon Ground Delay Program for EWR.
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Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2548 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
I've landed on 11 in a CoEx ERJ once, which is even more uncommon than the 22L approach and a circle to land on 29. If I remember correctly, the winds were practically nil. I knew something was up- all the usual sites on the ground during our approach were not the same.......
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Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 7031 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3527 times:
It's not uncommon for heavies to land on 29, and for non-heavies to depart on 29, and for RJs (at least) to land on 11-- but do they ever use 11 for takeoffs? And did they ever take off from 11 when the WTC was 6.6 nm from the departure end?
B727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3455 times:
Well, I have always wondered what it must be like landing on short runways with heavies! I have seen Co 777s many times approaching 29 and the passing right over the NJTPK is spectacular! Seems like the gears are about to clip the fence! I have also witnessed LH 340 and SR 330 landing on that runway! One hell of reverse thrust and breaking I suppose!! I am flying 3x out EWR in Aug. (EWR-YYZ, EWR-YUL, and EWR-SDF) all flights are with CO and they will be on 737 & ERJs! I hope to get lucky and maybe land on 29/11!!!