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The Future Of Memphis International Airport  
User currently offlineJetSOUTHEAST From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8045 times:

What do all of you think is in store for MEM in the next decade? With the labor issues at NW, and the siphoning of MEM routes to Pinnacle and Mesaba, do you think it will one day be like DL was in DFW in the end, or do you think NW might close it all together? I know its a vital hub to the Southeast and has alot of traffic, but I never hear MEM mentioned in Northwest plans. Seems like DTW and MSP get all the attention because they are bigger. I would be interested to see if Southwest attempts to go there, because I find it odd they dont.

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User currently offlineDolphinflyer From Canada, joined May 2005, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Dear JetSOUTHEAST -

You raise an interesting point. I think the answer lies in the degree to which the Skyteam members are granted antitrust immunity by the DOT, and as such, to what degree they begin to make macro-level strategic planning decisions rather than sticking to carrier-level micro-level issues. When you look at Skyteam member (DL, CO, NW) domestic hubs, they are: ATL, JFK, EWR, CLE, CVG, DTW, MEM, MSP, IAH and SLC. Clearly, there is room for consolidation at NYC, where EWR would be the logical "winner", and there's too much overlap between CLE/CVG/DTW, where NW's DTW hub would stand to be the surviving hub, based on a large local population base, strong O&D and geographic dispersion. In the South-Central region of the country, MEM is overshadowed by IAH, and longer-term could be eclipsed by the larger Texan hub. However, if full antitrust is not granted, and each carrier (CO, DL, NW) pursues their individual interests, then the MEM hub is likely to remain intact in its current state.

Another caveat - if NW is forced into bankruptcy sometime this fall, then they could choose to scale back operations, and MEM could wind up as a sacrificial lamb, with refocus on DTW and MSP.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

You could say that MEM is really the last hub of its kind. Many airlines in the late 80's to mid 90's had hubs of similar size in cities/metro areas of similar size (i.e., AA at BNA and RDU, CO at GSO, etc.) that have long since dissappared in favor of mega hubs in cities that produce large O&D numbers. It's really hard to say. I think for the most part NWA is happy and content on the role that MEM serves for them. NWA is currently going through some turbulent times right now however. If they do pull through, I think they will retain a hub there as it is a good alternative for people flying from the southeast and Florida to the west coast and vice versa rather than routing them all the way up to DTW and MSP. It's also a less congested alternative to ATL and DFW and also Northwest's only "warm weather hub". I have passed through there many times, and am always impressed with the ease of connecting there. However, if NWA should link or merge with, say for example, Continental or Delta, I think you could easily see MEM's days as a hub numbered due to it's low O/D numbers in favor of moving the hub to the larger IAH or ATL, respectively. It's low O/D numbers in the end may be what could hurt MEM's status as a hub.

[Edited 2005-08-01 00:10:26]

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
You could say that MEM is really the last hub of its kind.

...lest you forget:
CVG, CLE, SLC, etc?

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
It's low O/D numbers in the end may be what could hurt MEM's status as a hub.

Well, in a post NWA-hub world, MEM's low O&D effectively guarantees that it wouldn't be a large focus city-- but perhaps there's some hope of it being a hub (in the true sense) based on FX's presence there:
FX pays a large portion of the airport's costs, but primarily operates during off-peak (i.e., night) hours. I'd say that's one the primary reasons even NW's hub remains


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 1):
nd there's too much overlap between CLE/CVG/DTW, where NW's DTW hub would stand to be the surviving hub

I don't know if I'd say it that way. I'd rather say that CLE would be the losing hub.

(Assuming DL and NW don't file BK)



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

Northwest at Memphis comes down to

A. No Southwest, or at least currently

and

B. No other viable southern hub option

I'm not saying that NW is screwed into having MEM as its hub, I'm just saying its the best possible option out there right now. Add in the fact that they basically have the market (albeit a little one) wrapped up, and a long history with MEM, they most certainly aren't going anywhere. I would assume that MEM will continue to serve as the third hub, and see small growth increments like we have seen in the past.

The comparison of DL at DFW is a bit different. DFW was already an incredibly saturated market, and the hub was basically serving very little purpose. It covered areas that SLC and ATL could have got to easily, so the hub was kind of pointless. MEM, OTOH, has basically nobody except NW and it would leave a gigantic hole in NW's route map.

Quoting JetSOUTHEAST (Thread starter):
I would be interested to see if Southwest attempts to go there, because I find it odd they dont.

NW has let MEM city hall know that they will pack up if WN enters.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
...lest you forget:
CVG, CLE, SLC, etc

I'll give you SLC and maybe to an extent CLE, however CLE's metro area is substantially larger than MEM and the cities I was comapring it to (BNA, RDU, GSO) although the number of flights is roughly alike (200 plus). Also, I would not include CVG as a comparison. Although metro size might be similar, CVG is a much larger hub for DL than MEM is for NWA. CVG has 560 daily flights compared to NWA's 220 or so flights at MEM, not to mention CVG has more European flights (CVG has non stop to LGW, CDG, FRA & AMS while MEM only has nonstop to AMS).


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
FX pays a large portion of the airport's costs, but primarily operates during off-peak (i.e., night) hours. I'd say that's one the primary reasons even NW's hub remains

Interestingly, though, SDF has not been able to reap similar benefits related to their similar location and status with 5X.



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User currently offlineFedex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

There are rumors here in Memphis about Tunica Airport trying to enter the "please come here Southwest" race as soon as their expansion is complete. With such a low O&D percentage here in Memphis, I can't see it happening. I don't know how much business travels to either Nashville or Little Rock from Memphis for the sole reason to fly Southwest, but I would doubt it's enough to open a new station. Do you guys agree?

User currently offlineJetSOUTHEAST From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

Well I know some lady operated a bus from MEM to LIT which shuttled plane loads of O/D pax to WN there. They had booming business, I don't know if she still does it though. I can see WN pounding down a nearby area, such as Tunica, with its Casino's or Tupelo/Oxford, with the University of Mississippi being there/Elvis birthplace, etc.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

Quoting Fedex (Reply 8):
With such a low O&D percentage here in Memphis, I can't see it happening. I don't know how much business travels to either Nashville or Little Rock from Memphis for the sole reason to fly Southwest, but I would doubt it's enough to open a new station. Do you guys agree?

Memphis would have zero problems supporting Southwest. Zero.

And Northwest wouldn't be a problem, because I don't see them being able to run WN out.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 6):
I would not include CVG as a comparison.

...why not?

It's essentially the same thing:
a "manufactured hub" with little O&D (some of that due to stifling prices however) and essentially no LoCo service such that yields can remain high. How large it is relative to the rest of DL's operation really doesn't change any of that.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Memphis would have zero problems supporting Southwest. Zero.

Agrees... assuming of course, a post-NW departure.

I certainly do not agree with the idea of MEM being able to successfully support both carriers, if that's what you're implying, however.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

The only time I flew outta MEM was on KL to AMS. The airport is great! I got some great fried chicken before my flight.

Getting back on topic, FX is huge at MEM, the airport will only get bigger and better in 10 years. (IMHO).

Regards.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
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The airport is old too. I flew NW a few years ago EWR-MEM/MEM-PHX and my first thought was this place needs to be updated. NW is probably fine in MEM for the moment, but I would not say that it will be a hub of growth. I'm actually surprised WN has not made it in there yet, but again, it should be up to NW alone to resolve any problems that WN landing in MEM creates.

The travelling consumer is who should decide who wins or loses that proposed race should it happen.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7420 times:
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MEM sustained by FX = Except for the deadhead crews going through the terminal very little money comes from Fred to the passenger side. Sure, landing fees are cheaper when dispersed thru all carriers but if NW failed and WN did not come the cities loans would default too.

MEM vs ATL = Let's throw DLs future in with this equation. If DL does not transform would that make MEM less likely to die? Does anyone really doubt NW will transform itself? Who has a better chance right now, DL or NW?

Terminal improvements = Already in progress and planned by the county. At least the financial phase. I'd bet everyones holding their breath right now waiting to see what happens with NW however with the debt load Shelby county already has and it's dubious ratings. Airport bonds are separate I believe but would sell at a better rate in a more vibrant financial arena. Raisin

[Edited 2005-08-01 06:57:31]

The Betty Bus - I think it's still plying between LIT and MEM. Lots of business to WN.

Tunica - Probably more of a Casion Express kind of operation than a regional airport. Not near enough pax coming through MEM to Tunica to call for much else. That would still leave far too many people trying to get back to the city. Southaven, Mississippi's fastest growing city is still closer to MEM than Tunica.

Northwest - After the dust settles from the union busting attempts and the threat that gives anyone else on the property NW should be able to acheive the payscales they want (but certainly not the relationship with the employees a service company needs). The pension changes now in the Senate and BK law arrangements before a pro-corporate administration may enable NW to come back able to co-exist with a WN in MEM and elsewhere. NW may be able to go through this process far quicker than carriers before them and maintain a higher cash balance in the process. I'd bet that's what this whole thing is about wouldn't you?

[Edited 2005-08-01 07:22:43]


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User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):

It's essentially the same thing:
a "manufactured hub" with little O&D (some of that due to stifling prices however) and essentially no LoCo service such that yields can remain high. How large it is relative to the rest of DL's operation really doesn't change any of that.

CVG's O&D should be substantially higher than it is. Due to DL's high fares, which have recently been lowered, O&D from CVG was diminished. CVG's O&D should be comparable to that of STL, who's O&D is respectable for a city its size, CVG's O&D is extremely weak for a city that large. Though CVG is larger, CMH has higher O&D.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
Agrees... assuming of course, a post-NW departure.

I certainly do not agree with the idea of MEM being able to successfully support both carriers, if that's what you're implying, however.

I disagree with you, it's been shown time and time again that low fares stimulate O&D numbers. NW's dominance at MEM has hurt the city's O&D numbers. Look at NW's "Big" hubs at DTW and MSP. DTW has a population of over 5 million, while MSP's population is about 3 million. However, both cities O&D is relatively the same. DTW's should be a lot higher. Having a mega-hub with a major dominating, and no substantial competition hurts a city. If WN was to set up shop at MEM with at least 30 daily flights, I wouldn't be surprised to see MEM O&D increase by 30-40%, maybe more. And NW would be there to fight for every additional passenger. For airports, competition is a very good thing.

Jeremy


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 15):

CVG's O&D should be substantially higher than it is. Due to DL's high fares, which have recently been lowered, O&D from CVG was diminished. CVG's O&D should be comparable to that of STL, who's O&D is respectable for a city its size, CVG's O&D is extremely weak for a city that large. Though CVG is larger, CMH has higher O&D.

...um, do you think I wrote the whole "stifling prices" bit for my good health?  Yeah sure

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 15):
it's been shown time and time again that low fares stimulate O&D numbers. *** I wouldn't be surprised to see MEM O&D increase by 30-40%, maybe more.

...and to what avail (so far as NW is concerned) would said increase be since that airport's yields would, not could, then drop off the proverbial cliff?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11117 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

In general, IMO, MEM has the best of both worlds -- they currently enjoy hub service by a major U.S. network carrier, something that -- as others have said -- is a rarity for a city MEM's size in the post-9/11 world. In addition, most importantly, they have hedged their bets by also being the hub and home base of FedEx, the world's largest express delivery company and one of the most admired, respected and consistently successful companies in America.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
You could say that MEM is really the last hub of its kind.

I agree. AA cut STL more than in half, US cut PIT more than in half, CO cut its GSO hub operations, DL dropped DFW completely and UA has scaled back LAX. Every one of the network carriers has lost one of their main U.S. hubs except NW, which has retained the MSP-DTW-MEM trifecta for a while.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
It's also a less congested alternative to ATL and DFW and also Northwest's only "warm weather hub".

The "warm weather" is a big plus -- just like Russia's conquest throughout its history in the Black and Caspian Sea in search of warm weather ports for survival. In the dead of winter, when MSP and DTW are both snowed in, with nothing getting in and out, MEM can be enjoying fine weather and easy connections.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 2):
However, if NWA should link or merge with, say for example, Continental or Delta, I think you could easily see MEM's days as a hub numbered due to it's low O/D numbers in favor of moving the hub to the larger IAH or ATL, respectively.

Agreed. Show NW merge with DL, as is rumored, MEM will be the first thing to go. DL will never tolerate NW operating from MEM to the same markets DL flies to from ATL, and on an operational and network planning basis, they would be right. If the networks of NW and DL were to be combined, MEM would be completely redundant to the larger, more developed and far more expansive ATL hub which offers connections to just about every city NW serves from MEM.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Memphis would have zero problems supporting Southwest.

Agreed again. If WN entered MEM, the flights would be full and profitable. However, as MEM is already a city hanging on by a thread in keeping a major airline hub, I think that largely speaking, MEM would have to make a long-term decision between WN and NW. Realistically, I think it has to be one or the other, it can't be both. WN would drop NW's yields so dramatically and many shorthaul routes that it now flies with CRJs by flying their 737s.


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7317 times:
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If MEM had gate avail how would the city deny them access. Bet the courts would have a field day with that one.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 14):
Terminal improvements = Already in progress and planned by the county. At least the financial phase.

Is the rotunda where B splits done yet? When I was through in January, that area looked like it was going to be nice.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 15):
Look at NW's "Big" hubs at DTW and MSP. DTW has a population of over 5 million, while MSP's population is about 3 million. However, both cities O&D is relatively the same. DTW's should be a lot higher.

...but DTW has NK and WN, while MSP has SY, FL, F9 and TZ (both have HP is you'd like to count them as an LCC). I've not done the addition, but I think in terms of flights and seats, the LCC service to both cities is comparable. I think the O&D disparity has to do with something besides the amount of LCC competition.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

I'm surprised NW has kept MEM a hub this long. I thought after they entered Skyteam, they would shift most of that demand to Delta operated flights and reposition those planes and crews to DTW and MSP. But that hasn't happened yet.

If there's a strike, there could be major backlash from management. I think MEM would be high on the chopping-block list.



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User currently offlineNASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

It will become a more dominate Freight hub, as FedEx continues to move with greater presence into the Asia market. I believe that FedEx is the first cargo operator to receive the A380F. So it will become more efficient to move cargo from the United States to the rest of the world over night.


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

you people keep talking about MEM what about IND.. It is home to the second largest FedEx operation in the world, and is expanding alot more than MEM is. MEM is land locked and i have a document that has all the plans Fedex wants to do to IND. In 15 to 20 years IND will have a larger operation than MEM does when it comes to FEDEX. I think IND also does well considering all the major airports close to it, and still feeds over 8 million people a year. Good for IND .. Eric


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User currently offlineBlackearth From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

The imminent demise of MEM as a hub has been circulating on this board for years it seems. It may well happen, who knows? But for the time being, MEM seems to fit NWA quite nicely, and I presume NWA has been happy with that arrangement of the past 20 years.

So barring something drastic--and drastic may be normal nowadays--such as a merger or sharp restructuring, I imagine MEM will continue on as a hub.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Well, in a post NWA-hub world, MEM's low O&D effectively guarantees that it wouldn't be a large focus city-- but perhaps there's some hope of it being a hub (in the true sense) based on FX's presence there:
FX pays a large portion of the airport's costs, but primarily operates during off-peak (i.e., night) hours. I'd say that's one the primary reasons even NW's hub remains

Memphis has been a hub for airlines before FedEx became a big player in the mid-eighties: Southern Airways--1970-1979, Republic--1979-1985.

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 22):
you people keep talking about MEM what about IND.. It is home to the second largest FedEx operation in the world, and is expanding alot more than MEM is. MEM is land locked and i have a document that has all the plans Fedex wants to do to IND. In 15 to 20 years IND will have a larger operation than MEM does when it comes to FEDEX. I think IND also does well considering all the major airports close to it, and still feeds over 8 million people a year. Good for IND .. Eric

I guess it's because this thread is about MEM's future.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 22):
you people keep talking about MEM what about IND.

I know, I'm shocked. People talking about MEM in a thread called "The Future Of Memphis International Airport".

Quoting Fedexexpress (Reply 22):
In 15 to 20 years IND will have a larger operation than MEM does when it comes to FEDEX.

I find that hard to believe. Though in 20 years, anything is possible.



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25 NYCFlyer : That seems like a real cop out to me. If that's the attitude, why don't all airlines just go out of business and let Southwest take over the world? U
26 Post contains links MAH4546 : No, it isn't. 23) Cleveland - 2,147,832 24) Cincinnati - 2,050,746 31) Columbus - 1,659,813 http://www.proximityone.com/msa03us.htm In terms of city
27 NYCFlyer : That seems like a real cop out to me. If that's the attitude, why don't all airlines just go out of business and let Southwest take over the world? U
28 LambertMan : I think it has more to do with NW knowing the importance it has to MEM. They know service levels would substantially drop, and they take advantage of
29 ConcordeBoy : um.....you don't think PHL being in the top 20 O&D airports, whereas MEM fails to make the top 50, might just have some'n to do with it?
30 Yyz717 : Is this just rumour or fact? Frankly, it would not surprise me. I agree. If anything, the NW hub at MEM has been pretty static for over 15 years in t
31 Indy : I think its funny that the one compliment I hear most often about MEM is the good food. Definately have to take a trip there once to check them out.
32 Nosedive : 3 words: Got Ramp Space? Yes, I'm talking about post-expansion to the FX IND ramp... What about IND? MEM is landlocked to a point, but they will be g
33 Indy : I'm not 100% sure I understand what you are getting at. The relocation of I-70 has opened up quite a bit more space for additional jets. Also the I-7
34 M404 : cubsrule Yes, then center hub on the "b" Y is as far finished as it can be until the ceilings are raised and concourse expanded on the fingers. That,
35 LambertMan : Fact, or at least thats what the Memphis paper said about 3 or 4 years ago.
36 MEMbase : I remember that story, but it was saying that FX would probably add more flights at IND than at MEM. There are no plans internally at FX to make IND
37 Indy : Taxes. Our local government has indicated a willingness to give away the keys to the city darn near if it means jobs.
38 MEMbase : My predictions for the next ten years... (1) The NW hub will go away, probably due to merger within 12-18 months. However the subsequent influx of LC
39 Indy : Unless they merge with Delta I don't know if the MEM hub will go anywhere. They do have one BIG thing in their favor. Location!
40 MEMbase : A merger with Continental or American would probably do it because of IAH and DFW, although Delta is the main candidate right now. I can't see a NW-U
41 Indy : Here is something else to consider. If NW is in really bad financial shape can they afford the payments on the DTW terminal? Isn't that their baby? Ar
42 MEMbase : Good point. I read something to the effect that the new terminal was built with public revenue bonds, but NW is mostly responsible for repayment prob
43 CIDflyer : In my opinion, if NW does not merge with anyone, then they will keep the MEM hub going. However, should they happen to merge with DL, CO or AA, then M
44 MEMbase : Here's something to throw out there...let's say NW and DL merge, and the combined airline closes the MEM hub and consolidates its southern hub operat
45 Indy : I say let the big boys drown themselves in their own traffic jams. After being subjected to monopoly pricing I'd bet the people of MEM would be thrill
46 Post contains images Blackearth : Well, that's certainly an interesting idea. Could happen--who knows in the airline business these days?--but like you say, doubtful. How about this f
47 Cubsrule : If the south terminal ever gets built, FL could potentially have an airport within an airport-- bascially a concourse and runway all to themselves. T
48 MEMbase : I think this makes about as much financial sense, and is therefore as unlikely, as FedEx shifting its main hub from MEM to IND.
49 BR715-A1-30 : What? They can't handle competition? Do they know already that they will lose and be relegated to a business carrier... I find it terrible that NW wo
50 Sampa737 : I think people, especially in here, don't give Memphis enough credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand numbers, logistics, etc but if NW wanted to move
51 Hjulicher : In terms of population within city limits, Columbus OH is larger, by a lot. However, in terms of metro population, CVG is slightly bigger with 180,00
52 MasseyBrown : For marketing purposes, "city proper" population is an almost useless number. CMSA reflects the potential airport cachement area and is best for airl
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