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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Any idea how well NW is doing to India? I had no idea they were even flying the route. I suppose they're flying the A330s/744s there.

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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

They are doing quite well there and will increase service this fall. The are currently using DC-10-30's for the service.

User currently offlineAdam727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

From there Timetable it looks like they fly DC-10 from MSP-AMS and the AMS to Mumbia then switch to JetAirways. or a DC-10 to AMS then on a KLM MD-11

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Switch to Jet Airways for what?

NW serves BOM presently with their own metal, a DC-10-30 twice a day if I'm not wrong.

They will be serving BLR as well via AMS with an A330-300.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

The service is only daily. It was twice daily last winter, but this winter BLR is getting the second daily.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2817 times:
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 3):
NW serves BOM presently with their own metal, a DC-10-30 twice a day if I'm not wrong.

They will be serving BLR as well via AMS with an A330-300.

We just have one at the moment:
Flight NW42
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure Amsterdam - Schiphol
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 10:25 am

Arrival Mumbai
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 10:35 pm
Terminal 2
Stops Nonstop
Travel time 8 hr. 40 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-10
Service
on board Business Class
Economy Class

Time difference 3 hr. 30 min.
Distance 6858 km
4262 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

And one going the other way
Flight NW41
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure Mumbai
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 12:50 am
Terminal 2
Arrival Amsterdam - Schiphol
Tue 02 Aug 2005 at 6:40 am

Stops Nonstop
Travel time 9 hr. 20 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-10
Service
on board Business Class
Economy Class

Time difference -3 hr. 30 min.
Distance 6858 km
4262 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

[Edited 2005-08-01 06:41:19]


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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

NW flight to Mumbai is always full. In the past 744 and I liked that service much better. DC-10 flights are painful. And of course lack of any PTVs make it a very boring flight. I would rate it an average service (prefer KLM to DEL especially later this year KL will be switching to 777). I hope at some point NW will pull these DC-10s and put a better frame on BOM route.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2706 times:


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Yes a DC-10 at Night.I see it T/O when Im on duty.Looks full,considering the runway length used.  Smile
Mostly the Old livery.
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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

They will be serving the A333 to BLR this winter

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
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Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 6):
NW flight to Mumbai is always full. In the past 744 and I liked that service much better. DC-10 flights are painful. And of course lack of any PTVs make it a very boring fligh

The FA's liked it also. More room to move around and at least crew bunks to sleep in rather than rows 19 and 20 A&B for crew rest. Those days are over i'm afraid due to the fact that the remaining 747's in the fleet are needed for the Pacific Division. Unless we get more 400's, I don't think you'll see them again.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

JetJack said it, the 744 was pulled from India due to the limited number of aircraft for for fleet simplification across the Atlantic. It made more sense for only DC-10's and A330-300's for Trans-Atlantic flights. The 16 744's are desperately needed in the Pacific.

User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 9):
Those days are over i'm afraid due to the fact that the remaining 747's in the fleet are needed for the Pacific Division. Unless we get more 400's, I don't think you'll see them again.

Well... India seems like one of the few areas where growth can be achieved in the future. So why isn't NWA willing to invest in that area (Indian sub-continent) and upgrade some of its aircrafts through direct purchases (747Adv if it ever materializes or through leases)? Pacific routes seem to be pretty saturated and certainly growth opportunities within the U.S. seem to slim at best.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2235 times:

NW is already well committed with future deliveries of A330's and 787's to fulfill their widebody needs into the next decade. Especially considering the condition they are currently in, they are in no shape to take on additional 744's. The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC

Certain markets, yes, but Mumbai? No way. There is a heavy demand for premium traffic to Mumbai, many airlines using their lowest density planes with many premium seats. Bangalore and Delhi also have strong premium traffic. Chennai, Hyderabad, and Kolkata are where filling the front can be difficult.



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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2195 times:

How come Northwest does not fly from it's hub at Narita to India?

User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.

WHAT ????????????? Are you serious? Try getting WBC to India. I used to fly WBC on NWA 744 to Mumbai all the time and not once was it empty !!! I have also flown KLM to DEL in Business Class and never saw an empty seat. Are you kidding me? Forget the business travelers, a significant number of the well to do Indians in both North America and Europe who are simply traveling to India on leisure opt for business class. You must be kidding or never flown to India !!!



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 14):
How come Northwest does not fly from it's hub at Narita to India?

I wish I knew the answer! Anyone in the know - please chip in. I'd guess at least 40-50% of traffic to India is from the US west coast, that would be served very well by a one stop via NRT. The only thing I can think of is that they (Skyteam) get a kind of "scissors hub" approach in Europe - with multiple flights to/from the US connecting to flights to BOM/DEL/BLR/HYD from AMS and BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA from CDG. From Asia (NRT or other), there probably isnt' as much skyteam feed to India.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
From Asia (NRT or other), there probably isnt' as much skyteam feed to India.

But NW have a mini hub even with 757s at Narita.

I believe a flight on the routings

LAX/SFO--NRT--BOM

LAX/SFO--HKG--BOM

As both these intermediate markets have no non-stop flights to either HKG or NRT.

Also they would be very succesful on a BLR-NRT-LAX routing as well.


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Mostly the Old livery.

I flew the DC-10 in N/C on August 10th 2004 to BOM from AMS!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
The other consideration with India is the limited demand for First/WBC, hence the 744 would be overkill with over 60 of such seats. 744's are overkill for US-based carriers flying to India.

I have never been on ANY flight on ANY of the following airlines to Bombay in Business class that were not full, or at least 90% full: BA, AI, NW, LH, or EK.

On BA, even First Class tends to be full !


User currently offlineCA228 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Where are the FA's for the AMS - BOM route based? Are they Dutch based in AMS, or Indians, or Americans?

User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
I'd guess at least 40-50% of traffic to India is from the US west coast,

I doubt it. Of the US traffic to India, I think a strong majority (60-70%) is from JFK/EWR & ORD areas.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
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Quoting CA228 (Reply 20):
Where are the FA's for the AMS - BOM route based? Are they Dutch based in AMS, or Indians, or Americans?

All FA's on the India routes are US based. DTW have them at the moment. When we have the 2nd BOM, BOS takes that one. As far as who will have the AMS-BLR? Nothing has been announced, but it looks as if DTW or MSP may get because of the flexibility of the number of flights. The only crewmembers based in BOM are the ISFR's or language interpretors. It's been awhile since i've been on a 6-day India, so not sure if we hav them still.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32787 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 21):

I doubt it. Of the US traffic to India, I think a strong majority (60-70%) is from JFK/EWR & ORD areas.

70% from just NYC, Jersey, and Chicago is too high. Especially when San Francisco's Indian community is quite larger than Chicago's.



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