Oh yeah, AI is the only airline which has technical problems!
Cone on - a flap malfunction showed up- the aircraft diverted to the nearest suitable station - so what more AI can do?
Yeah there were a couple of landing incidents with AI in BOM. But then with all that rain around, and with a reduced runway length because of the non avaiabilty of the main runway, they were unfortunate And blame AI, because they did try to operate some flights from BOM inspite of the bad weather when many airlines are playing safe by cancelling operations (like SQ). AI doesnt have that luxury!
AirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6150 times:
Instead of the pax blaming AI, people should realize that many other airlines including Jet Airways have infact cancelled most of their flights and stalled operations thus in a way showing that they want to get away from the current situation.
AI on the other hand is working round the clock and trying its best to keep up with the schedules. Being the national carrier, they are doing their best though at the mercy of mother nature. This shows that they have stepped up and are ready to face the situation.
The Media and news channels just show the negative side of the situation.
They are repeatedly showing the remarks of V.Thulasidas and the furious pax saying they will never travel with AI again! That was really disturbing.
"You don't have to be crazy to be in aviation, but it helps", JRD Tata
IanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6130 times:
Quoting AirIndiaOne (Reply 3): AI on the other hand is working round the clock and trying its best to keep up with the schedules. Being the national carrier, they are doing their best though at the mercy of mother nature.
But surely if this posses a safety risk, AI should try and emulate what Jet Airways are doing, national carrier or not?
I understand that the 2 aircraft off the runway at BOM is down to the weather, but is it not a coincidence that these aircraft were both from the same company?
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6100 times:
People could blame the AI Pilots for the incidents in BOM and this AI B747 incident could be blamed on Bad Maintanance but nobody really cares, so long as there has been no loss of life.
AirIndiaOne From India, joined Mar 2005, 146 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 4): But surely if this posses a safety risk, AI should try and emulate what Jet Airways are doing, national carrier or not?
The national airline is a responsible one and it just cannot shut shop and sit by for the rains to stop. As far as safety is concerned, the risk in landing on a wet runway has long been there and it is not uncommon for jumbos to land on wet surfaces.
"You don't have to be crazy to be in aviation, but it helps", JRD Tata
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6022 times:
Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 4): I understand that the 2 aircraft off the runway at BOM is down to the weather, but is it not a coincidence that these aircraft were both from the same company?
Well it's the AI hub. I'd say there's a good chance that two incidents would be of AIs.
I mean would you find it strange if AA had two incidents in a row at say DFW or MIA?
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6006 times:
I guess when the Media reports something on Aviation.Most people arn't aware of Ground realities & the Tension spreads.
I still dont understand which of the last Three Incidents were Grave situations.
The problem is every small detail is being reported as major,spreading panic.
Anyone Aware of the No of non serious Incidents that occur world over Link
Whats needed to understand is the Redundany In built into an Aircraft.
A340roy From Germany, joined May 2004, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5975 times:
Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 4): But surely if this posses a safety risk, AI should try and emulate what Jet Airways are doing, national carrier or not?
AI very well know their safety limits. I think its because of safety they diverted back to Delhi to make sure things look OK before going ahead to LON. I am sure every airline are aware of that.
Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 4): I understand that the 2 aircraft off the runway at BOM is down to the weather, but is it not a coincidence that these aircraft were both from the same company?
Well, to this, i would only say that AI are the only airline in India to operate B747-400's. If anyone has any info on how many B747-400's from other carriers landed on that day during that time frame successfully, i would appreciate if you put it up.
I understand you all who do not understand why everything wrong is happening to AI, but i request all to bear in mind, that keeping safety and passenger problems in mind, AI still are operating under difficult circumstanes. I think they deserve "little" understanding.
I wanted to fly yesterday to BOM from FRA, and as usual, got stranded as all AI flights were overbooked, and even if i got a place, we would end up at DEL as BOM shut down again. What surprised me was, that so many passengers at the airport were shouting around of how bad AI was, they are always delayed, i will never travel AI again etc.etc. Probably AI are at the recieving end for their own mis-doings during normal situations. Well, they are paying for it now, but i still would appreciate that AI were the only airline (atleast at FRA) who provided passengers (endorsed passengeers too) going to India with hotel and full meals. I remember some germans with non-ai tickets saying that they were told by LH/UA that this is a weather problem and that as per law, no hotel, compensation or anything will be provided. I mean, i am nobody to decide which airline should give hotels at this situation or not, but AI did atleast care!
I am not a big AI fan, but i do have a soft corner for them, simply because their jumbo's look cool!
cheerz,
roy
MrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5889 times:
Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 4): But surely if this posses a safety risk, AI should try and emulate what Jet Airways are doing, national carrier or not?
Some sarcasm: I am sure BA would have operated with one working enhine with their 777s if they couyld have made money
Like A340Roy (not the real Rpy ), I was affected as I was booked through BOM.. I will post a trip report soon about one of my biggest adventures so far!
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5765 times:
I agree with Roy Partially.Give AI Credit for operating while no other B747s have to Mumbai.
Pax have to understand the situation.
Although reg Customer service I would not know.
regds
MEL
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5594 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11): Pax have to understand the situation.
Three days ago I witnessed our country-people (and ONLY them) in FRA and LHR being extremely rude to the respective AI staff (the latter was completely overwhelmed) - it is not always the airline, but often the pax.. this situation was special, the pax should have considered.. it was a nightmare and a big MESS to see AI in Hall C in FRA and at LHR Transfer desk in T 3..
VT977 From India, joined May 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5507 times:
Even if one does not consider the incidents this week, twice a 744 was grounded at LAX and once a 777 groundes witin the past month. I am not blaming AI but if they want to survive in the market the surely need to step up.
A conclusion is what you reach when you get tired of thinking.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5420 times:
Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 14): Kudos to AI for serving even during the heavy rains. I still remember AI and IC evacuating people from the gulf region during the gulf war.
That was a World record Human Evacuation in recent times
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 15): I've had my flights on BA, UA, NW, etc diverted due to technical snags quite often.
Exactly.Somehow AI gets the Brickbats.
AI fault could be not updating the Pax reguralily.
regds
MEL
BandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5393 times:
hehe... ah... Indian pax and their misguided emotions , I often find myself arguing with my Indian friends and relatives about putting the blame on the WRONG freakin thing. For example one of my friends made a statement that he would NEVER fly a 747 based on the experience he had where his 747 flight crew (F/A's) were very rude and provided very poor service or best yet! his next "bad experience" on a 747 when his flight was diverted due to weather conditions!!! and boy do we Indians force our opinions onto the others, my friend mustve went to every single person present at a party to tell them not to fly a 747!!! Try to find a Logic behind this!
Later on I made him aware that if he doesnt want to fly a 747 EVER again he just limited his flight options down to maybe a very few carriers that fly from US to India without using 747s!
Anyways sorry for going off topic here!
"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5320 times:
Quoting BandA (Reply 17): my friend mustve went to every single person present at a party to tell them not to fly a 747!!! Try to find a Logic behind this!
So by now they probably nicknamed your friend "747" now.
regds
MEL
CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3983 times:
It's really just been a case of bad luck. Although they do need to get that "VVIP" thing sorted out.
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 12): Three days ago I witnessed our country-people (and ONLY them) in FRA and LHR being extremely rude to the respective AI staff (the latter was completely overwhelmed) - it is not always the airline, but often the pax..
It is my opinion as an Indian living in the USA that AI is not highly regarded amongst Indians in foreign countries. Maybe it's just a sense of superiority that they feel over the Indian carrier.
BandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3800 times:
Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 20): Maybe it's just a sense of superiority that they feel over the Indian carrier.
Well I can't speak on anyone elses behalf but it has nothing to do with feeling of superiority in my case, I just think of the times AI kicks off pax for non-revs, lack of decent IFE for such long flights and stories about bad customer service. It seems less of a risk of being subjected to this type of a thing if I take JAL, Cathay, SIA or even Asiana (Which are the choices I get from where I live)
[Edited 2005-08-02 01:50:11]
"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3797 times:
Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 20): It is my opinion as an Indian living in the USA that AI is not highly regarded amongst Indians in foreign countries. Maybe it's just a sense of superiority that they feel over the Indian carrier.
That's not it. I am a Indian living in the U.S. and I don't hate AI because I feel too good for them or some superiority attitude.
I don't hate AI because weather delayed their BOM flights this past week. I understand weather problems happen to every carrier, and indeed every carrier to BOM was affected.
No, I don't fly AI because their regular service, unaffected by weather, et. al, is not up to international standards. Their multi-stop (more than 1/2) from the U.S. to Madras is simply not efficient for me. Thus, when I fly to India, I fly BA/LH DFW/IAH to Europe, Europe to Madras.
Nothing personal against AI, just not the best routing/service for me and my family.
Gopal From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
I am an Indian living in the US who thinks of AI as a good airline. Sure it has ways to go before it becomes a lean competitive airline, but as a national carrier it has obligations that other airlines don't have to fulfill. In fact we are traveling to BLR on AI in less than 2 weeks. For travelers living close to one of major cities in the US such as LAX, ORD and NY, AI provides one of fastest and cheapest (not always) means of reaching India. About the recent emergency landing, its indicative of AI's concern for safety. AI's safety record speaks for itself. The safety infrastructure and procedures at Indian airports are also world class.
Any tips from ANETTERs about getting a request to visit the cockpit acceded to during our forthcoming trip ? Thanks in advance.
25 Mrniji: Btw, one thing I want to mention in defence of AI: many of our dear countrypeople are used to behave badly (I have hardly seen so many people behaving
26 Texdravid: That's just it. AI needs to branch out to SFO, IAD, IAH,etc which are also major cities. Right now, it is only convenient for the desi living in thos
27 Mrniji: Agreed, texi, but AI can't serve all cities in the US, as San Louis, Francfort (Kentucky), Las Vegas etc. - Indians also live beyond the US: I traced
28 A340roy: Guys, do not misunderstand me, but just wanted to prove that crash landings, accidents and skid off's the runway could happen to any airline. But look
29 Texdravid: You mean, there's no market for Thunder Bay-Madras, Subin?!!
30 HAWK21M: Considering no casualties.....As someone said God must be French Good job by the Crew & dont forget Grd support [Fire Dept,Medical services]. Maybe n
31 Mrniji: I 100 % agree,.. we Indians (many of our countrypeople are symptomatic for manerlessness!!!) abuse AI for whatsoever reason: if the hadn't flewn, the
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, I often find myself arguing with my Indian friends and relatives about putting the blame on the WRONG freakin thing. For example one of my friends made a statement that he would NEVER fly a 747 based on the experience he had where his 747 flight crew (F/A's) were very rude and provided very poor service or best yet! his next "bad experience" on a 747 when his flight was diverted due to weather conditions!!! and boy do we Indians force our opinions onto the others, my friend mustve went to every single person present at a party to tell them not to fly a 747!!! Try to find a Logic behind this!
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