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Frontier Considers Expanding Beyond DEN  
User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Any speculations?

Airline to look at expanding its Frontier
By Kelly Yamanouchi
Denver Post Staff Writer



Frontier Airlines will again look at expanding beyond its Denver hub, chief executive Jeff Potter said Friday.

Nearly all of Frontier's flights go to or from Denver. The only exceptions are flights to Mexico from Salt Lake City, Kansas City, Mo., St. Louis and Nashville, Tenn.

"We will continue to focus on developing the Denver hub but will also be pursuing point-to-point opportunities that pose limited financial risk for us," Potter said in an earnings conference call. He did not reveal what cities Frontier may serve.

Frontier stepped out of its Denver comfort zone last year when it started and quit an unsuccessful Los Angeles operation.

Stepped-up competition from larger carriers left Frontier with an excess of empty seats on planes.

But Frontier spokesman Joe Hodas said there are "plenty of great opportunities outside of Denver."

"We're gaining a pretty critical mass and awareness

outside of Denver, so it's time to leverage that reputation outside of Denver," he said.
Hodas said flights outside the Denver hub can also help to expand the way passengers are routed and increase the rate of aircraft use.

Separately, Frontier chief financial officer Paul Tate said the April snowstorm that led to canceled and delayed flights cost the airline $546,000 in operating expenses.

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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

F9 continues to impress me. I have flown 21 segments to/from DEN and BNA since May 9th, with no delays over 15 minutes and several 15 minute early arrivals.

The staff are great, the planes are very clean, and the DirectTV is very reliable. I hope some more cities get to enjoy the F9 experience soon!

I was leaving DEN last Thursday and there were 2 gate agents serving up a huge cake at A31, I asked what the occassion was and found out it was a Captain's last flight before retirement. Talk about a class act!


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

STL WANTS YOU!! :-d

Alex



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

I can barely think of stations they could open up that they wouldn't be vehemently fought. Of course I'd like to see some routes out of my home here in Houston. I'm surprised they chose IAH over HOU for Houston service. I would say Dallas is ripe for extended service but AA will run them out of town.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12103 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7388 times:
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My take would be some Midwest to Florida service operated on weekends during the Winter season, also some late night flights to LAS and red eye returns I could also see.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25154 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
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Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 3):
I can barely think of stations they could open up that they wouldn't be vehemently fought.

I doubt they would go to/from anyone's hub, except maybe DFW. I would guess LAX/MSP last year will be well remembered.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
My take would be some Midwest to Florida

I'll second that. I would expect CAK to figure in there somewhere, eventually, and STL. Perhaps MCI.

On the other coast, I would think SMF, maybe PDX.

Maybe it is easier to work out which cities it probably will not be:

LGA, DCA, ATL, MDW, MKE, MSP, SLC, SEA, SNA, LAS, PHX, ABQ for starters.  Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7316 times:
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How many planes does F9 have? Can they aircraft wise afford to pull airplanes out of DEN and start a focus city somewhere else?


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

38 A319 and 8 A318 I think with 7 A319's coming on this year.

They will not have to pull planes from DEN.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25154 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7259 times:
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Total fleet of 49. This is the 42nd A319 - N943FR:


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and there are 7 x A318.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 7):
7 A319's coming on this year.

I think those are all here. In the cc last Friday, they said the next aircraft will be coming early in the New Year.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

I don't think that they are planning a focus city--just some point to point flights.


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
STL WANTS YOU!! :-d

yes, STL still wants them. but i doubt Frontier is still that interested. many of the routes STL was trying to get them to start flying are now being flown by USA 3000. i guess we'll see if the new airport director has a good relationship with them or not.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2074 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Interesting, perhaps MSY could be looked at. No extremely dominant player at the airport, and according to mr. tristar the DEN flights do well. I'd like to see it be given a shot.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
I'll second that. I would expect CAK to figure in there somewhere, eventually, and STL. Perhaps MCI.

As far as STL goes, I haven't heard anything floating around in a really long time. But then again, I haven't talked to anybody inside the industry since last spring (minus a run in w/ a couple AA guys). A couple years ago there were rumblings of a focus city, and initial routes to MCO and LGA.

CAK is definitely an interesting proposition, that would surely send the CLE buffs into a suicidal rage.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
LGA, DCA, ATL, MDW, MKE, MSP, SLC, SEA, SNA, LAS, PHX, ABQ for starters.

I think its safe to add LAX to that list. Wink


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

I am going to put my money on St Louis, or Kansas City.
Even though I wouldn't use my own money to start a hub in either place.

St Louis, may awaken the napping American. How would the Eagle respond?

Kansas City will be a challenge overcoming a design intended for O&D, not a connecting hub.

Salt Lake City? Depends a lot on what Delta does in the next 12 months; focusing the enhancements on ATL. It's been a strong performer since Berg started the hub over a quarter a century ago with Western. Sure, Delta has been forced into down-sizing mainline to partners, no doubt due to Southwest encroachments...but is there really room for a third carrier, even on selected P2P routes?

Nashville? Formidable competition in the incumbent Soutwest. They currently serve nonstop from Music City; SEA, OAK, LAS, ONT, LAX, SAN, PHX, MDW, MCI, AUS, SAT, HOU, MSY, BHM, JAX, MCO, TPA, FLL, RDU, CMH, CLE, DTW, BWI, ISP, BDL, MHT, and PVD.
Quite a few markets, but not EVERY one of the markets....The rest; the biggies, ORD, DFW, DCA, MIA, LGA, are American/Eagle markets....
So what's left?

Indianapolis? Not anymore. City might be overserved if anything.

Columbus? Will someone go back? What about this Skybus..wasn't CMH going to be the base?

Omaha? Des Moines? Wichita? Tulsa? Oklahoma City? Little Rock?
All too small, but nice and central. Like Austin and San Antonio, but maybe too far south to be a transit hub...

DFW? Only if Wright is over-turned and AA is distracted shifting capacity to Love Field. This could be interesting to watch. Wild-Card? Hell, DFW might be the Dark-Horse.
I for one would love to see some viable competition at DFW, since airTran seems to have slowed their North Texas expansion. Is Frontier going to take DFW up on their offer? Hmmm.

New Orleans? When is construction over? I have always thought a city the size of The Crescent City would be at least a focus city for someone...Currently Southwest flys nonstop to OAK, LAS, LAX, SAN, PHX, DAL, HOU, MDW, IND, BNA, JAX, MCO, TPA, FLL, BWI, PHL.
There are still quite a few markets left....

The only markets left are coastal....west and east.

Just thinkin' out loud.....no statistics or hard data was harmed in the formulation of these opinions.
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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

I think F9's expansion strategy should include acquisition of B6 and NK.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 3):
I can barely think of stations they could open up that they wouldn't be vehemently fought.

RDU where there are NO DEN flights, NO CUN flights, NO MCI flights, NO LAX flights, NO Mexican flights.. and plenty of opportunity... same can be said for GSO...plenty of opportunities at both..



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User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

I'm glad that they are thinking about adding more point to point routes. They are too reliant on DEN. They have a great product and I think they will do very well in the future. I think the cities they added to CUN are good possible cities they will add more routes out of. Also, does anybody know what's wrong with Frontier's website? It has been down for the past two to three days.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

Quoting King (Thread starter):
Hodas said flights outside the Denver hub can also help to expand the way passengers are routed and increase the rate of aircraft use.



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
I don't think that they are planning a focus city--just some point to point flights.

From the wording....it sounds like they are exploring a Denver bypass...or a mini-hub.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

MIA has approached Frontier with hopes of getting a daily to Denver this winter. MIA will waive all landing fees for the first year. Though, keep in mind, MIA is the one that approached Frontier, not the other way around, so that doesn't signify that F9 has any interests. I have no idea if they do.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Like I said--I don't think they are trying to make a transit hub so to speak--they are going for a WN style model. I would say SAT, AUS, MSY are all good choices in addition to the OKCs, MCIs, and what not. SAT in particular as they have a large population base and 'limited' service.


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):
think F9's expansion strategy should include acquisition of B6 and NK.

I always thought B6 and F9 would make great partners ... but I dont think NK would fit in.

I do think that B6 and F9 should be codeshare buddies or partners somehow.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25154 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7133 times:
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Quoting LambertMan (Reply 11):
I think its safe to add LAX to that list.

I'm not so certain about that.

I think there will never be an attempt to make LAX a focus city again - and I would guess LAX/MSP is engraved on the CEO's heart. BUT:

He - CEO Potter - has said he would consider restarting some P2P from LAX.

The price of oil blew everything out of the water.

The surprise (to me) of this summer, apart from the success of CAK, has been SFO. It used to be an underperforming city for Frontier, but it is now up to 6 x daily and doing well.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2074 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):



Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
I am going to put my money on St Louis, or Kansas City.
Even though I wouldn't use my own money to start a hub in either place.

St Louis, may awaken the napping American. How would the Eagle respond?

Kansas City will be a challenge overcoming a design intended for O&D, not a connecting hub.

As far as I can tell, they are looking at more of a point to point operation. So location is less important than you may think.

MSY definitely stands a decent shot, IMO. Indianapolis would have been prime for F9 about 1 year ago, as TZ was on the way out and NW on the way in.

In St. Louis, AA's reaction to any F9 additions have been decreasing STL-DEN from 7 daily down to 4 daily, and now back to 6 daily. Doesn't really seem like they would fight for St. Louis that hard, as they could surely use those planes to help another one of their important markets.

MCI, through it all, could really be the best option. Even though WN would be a pest, I think it could be done.

I just have a feeling that if something is done, it won't be out west.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

STL-PVD?

MSY-PVD?

Ah heck, anywhere to PVD on F9 would be fine...


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25154 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7087 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
RDU where there are NO DEN flights,

Apparently Frontier has had "preliminary discussions" with RDU.

I have no idea what that means.  Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

After the LAX experience, I do not think that Frontier wants to go head to head with a legacy carrier and/or attempt to invade a hub city with an established legacy carrier. Its simply asking for trouble; as much as STL would probably welcome Frontier with open arms, why get into a battle with AA when there are other opportunities avaiable.

Kansas City is one choice - while MCI is poorly designed as a connecting hub, point to point routes out of MCI could likely be developed and Frontier could offer limited connections at MCI.

Another thought is New Orleans. Stuck between ATL, DFW, IAH and MEM, all hubs for legacy carriers, New Orleans is overlooked and could probably support more service to more cities. Out of MSY, Frontier could focus on connections to the west coast and MSY could be interesting as a gateway to the Mexican caribbean (Frontier does like CUN) and possibly some island destinations.

It will be interesting to see what Frontier comes up with.


25 Goodmanr : I've only flown six or so times of F9, all DCA-DEN but couldn't agree more. The seats are comfy, the planes are clean, the service great and they hav
26 STLGph : I have a feeling that in St. Louis, AA would generally put up a "For Sale" sign to the highest bidder. a few point to point routes would be a great w
27 CASInterest : It would be interesting to see what was discussed especially since ERJ is correct. How many planes could they devote to RDU, and what kind of future
28 MAH4546 : Frontier would do great in Raleigh. Denver and Cancun service could proove to be a winner. Though Caribbean service from Raleigh? It would not work.
29 DLKAPA : I wish Frontier would open up to the mountain towns in Colorado, they bill themselves as Denver's hometown airline yet when I need to commute to any o
30 JayDavis : DLKAPA, Do you really think F9 could turn a profit by flying into Vail, Aspen, Gunnison or Durango? I doubt it. Also, can an Airbus even make the in/o
31 Post contains images DLKAPA : I was hoping someone would get the hint that these are all good Q400 cities... and I hear Horizon has a few But that's just my pipe dream because I kn
32 MAH4546 : Vail gets bigger than just A320s. American Airlines sends 757s from Vail as far east as LaGuardia and Miami.
33 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : I meant this fiscal year which just started. Sorry should have specified I commute to DEN weekly right now and there is a FO that is pretty high up i
34 DLKAPA : Yeah, all the Legacy's serve Vail in the winter with 757s to their respective hubs. Gunnison also gets a 757 (Delta) along with 737's (Continental),
35 ERJ170 : I would hope for 3 .. 1 to do a 2x DEN/1x MCI.. 1 to do a 2x LAX, 1 to do a 1x CUN/MEX IF, and that is a big if, Caribbean service would be initiated
36 PHXinterrupted : Funny, I completed 18 segments between DEN and PHX from mid 2003 to mid 2004 and roughly 60 percent of those flights were more than 15 minutes late.
37 ZOTAN : My last two flights with them have both been delayed over 30 minutes. No problem though; they are a great airline! After my most recent flight with t
38 Quickmover : The best thing that could happen to F9 expansion wise would be to forget overflying DEN for now and grab more DEN gates. Unfortunately, UAL seems more
39 DLKAPA : Nope.
40 MSYtristar : Well i'll just say that the traffic is here for some point-to-point from MSY. The runway construction should be complete by October at the latest, so
41 LambertMan : Cancun is fairly reasonable, but Meixco City? I don't think so. Kansas City didn't work for WN, chances are it won't for F9. As far as Caribbean goes
42 Mariner : If they could they would. United has agreed to give up the two gates that were temporarily (two years) subleased to Frontier - for $5 million each -
43 ERJ170 : Perhaps enough time has passed that a 1x daily would work.. San Juan is actually a good O&D station for RDU. I think it runs around the 200 daily ave
44 MAH4546 : No. The problem in the first place was that it was 1x daily. A market for MCI-RDU exists in 2-3x daily RJ service, not a daily A319, which would neve
45 HPRamper : Everyone keeps talking in hub terms. F9 says it's to be point-to-point so who cares if an airport design can't handle hub ops. I think Frontier would
46 Jetmek319 : That darn fiscal year thing! In CALENDER year 2006 we are scheduled for 7, all A319's. starting in early March, ending in mid-August. Jetmek319
47 Flyibaby : I have a feeling for once that you hit the nail on the head. But I bet that nail only includes RDU-DEN And RDU-LAX. Rumors from RDU are that they pla
48 1MillionFlyer : I beleive 901FR to 910FR are over water planes (NOT ETOPS) just over-water (rafts etc) the rest are not to be used over water.
49 LambertMan : See my previous post where I said that they aren't looking for a connecting hub. I know they are looking for a p2p operation, and that is why I think
50 LACA773 : What about ONT??? Nobody has mentioned this lonely and underserved city. LACA773
51 Luv2fly : I could be wrong, though I thought they just pulled out of ONT.
52 StevenUhl777 : If I were F9, I'd focus instead on additional point-to-point opportunities, as that has been a success for them. Trying to build another hub or focus
53 SHUPirate1 : You must be thinking of Stapleton...Denver International Airport is not prone to delays at all.
54 UAL747DEN : Ok well I can tell you for a fact that you will see RDU service in the near future. Not as much as some would like to see but F9 will open that market
55 Boeing727flyer : Wish they would come to Port Columbus (CMH)
56 MAH4546 : Fort Myers has plenty of non-hub service, though I do agree there is a lot of potential. That is great to hear. I do know that the incentive package
57 UAL747DEN : Wow, I knew the deal with MIA was a good but I had no idea it was that good
58 MAH4546 : Well, the catch is, after a year, you go back to paying very high landing fees. Lower than Denver's, though.
59 N200WN : I would like to see F9 add service to COS. Since they are already well known in the state I think a few RJ flights to DEN would work and then throw in
60 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : I believe N901FR-N910FR are all overwater equipped (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But we also have brand new frames (in the N940's range) that are
61 Copaair737 : Well, if SFO is doing as well as Mariner says, then maybe SFO-FLL? Nobody else is jumping at the gun to fly it, and theres a market there. I think F9
62 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Agreed by "we", I'm guessing you mean F9 specifically-- as lord knows this airport is in major shortage of expansion-potential gate space What you me
63 Cltguy : I think that Frontier's DEN-RDU service will do better than United's attempt. It better, otherwise it won't be around for long.
64 Post contains images ERJ170 : I amy be wrong here, but wasn't the DEN service always packed and overbooked? Even for a 70 seat aircraft, there were passengers on standby for both
65 Cltguy : RDU-CUN would be a leisure route with very little Mexican fliers using it to go home. The Mexican population around RDU will play little if any role
66 AS739X : Marinar: I have to agree that CAK could factor in. From what my Mom ( a local of CAK ) has told me is that F9 is making a name for themselves already
67 MAH4546 : Welcome back copa! US Airways should be annoucing FLL-SFO soon, maybe in a few weeks. Daily A319 service. I don't think SFO-CAK would work, though. C
68 SHUPirate1 : Yes, and it was worse when you consider that the flight was a dispatch nightmare in terms of bumping passengers off planes due to a weight restrictio
69 ORDagent : B6 would probable buyer. They have the deep pockets and are profitable. I hope F9 stays independant. I love the animal tails!
70 CasInterest : I would be interested to see what would happen. I do think that Frontier will be successful on this route, if they open it. The big question is, how
71 MAH4546 : They can't bring mainline back. When they converted RDU to a regional station, they fired all the mainline employees and had them re-hired (if they c
72 ERJ170 : Ahh.. didn't know the make-up of the local Hispanics.. Isn't it true that an express station can have up to 2 mainline flights without breaching the
73 AS739X : MAH4546: US may be starting FLL from SFO, sweeeeet! Non-revving to FLL , here I come! Great point with the RDU Mexican population. I've never understo
74 MAH4546 : Possibly, I'm not positive, but I don't think so, because if that was the case, RDU-DEN would have gone mainline.
75 ERJ170 : And the average person should know this because???
76 Post contains images BNAflyer78 : While I'd love to see F9 have a larger presence in BNA, I think you hit the nail on the head. WN has done an unbelievable job of resurrecting BNA fli
77 Cltguy : I know this is a silly question with an obvious answer....but does anyone think that Fronteir will expand to Charlotte? We already have 6 flights a da
78 AS739X : 170: Cause CUN is a tourist city. If it was not for the tourist, CUN would have nothing more then a few MX/AM flights on nothing much more then a ragg
79 LTBEWR : Perhaps using some of the noted cities as one stops to another city, that is a through service with a stop at XXX. For example, DEN-MSY-Cancun or DEN-
80 LambertMan : Southwest tried MCI-RDU, and they were unable to make it work and the route was dropped in 2004. I believe you are thinking of what US Airways can do
81 STLGph : on second thought... if they are going to look at point to point, then why not keep more to their name sake and pop out a few destinations from Portla
82 Luv2fly : I believe AA can do a similar thing, as right now CLE is all Eagle though they can add a certain number of mainline back per the contract and still k
83 MAH4546 : Yes, American Airlines/Eagle and US Airways/Express allow this.
84 OzarkD9S : They could go down the road and put a few flights out of COS, beat WN to the punch.
85 DFORCE1 : I think Frontier could operate successfully on a SEA to MEX route as AS is currently not offering a non-stop service.
86 MAH4546 : Frontier doesn't even fly DEN-MEX, why on Earth would they fly SEA-MEX? The market for SEA-MEX is very, very minimal. SEA-GDL would be better. Beside
87 UAL747DEN : Or up the road to FNL, Alaska has been working with the city to get a new terminal built
88 AS739X : Concordeboy...they do that we may not even fight them on it, we may just buy them! *snicker* just a running rumor within the airline. Dforce1....3 air
89 Flashmeister : It's getting so hard to get a seat out of PDX that I can't believe that F9 couldn't offer some point to point service here and not rake it in. I no lo
90 Post contains images Mariner : I can't think they would do it, but have you worked out what it would cosy to buy that Zoo? I know AS has a lot of money in the bank a lot of money -
91 Leneld : I agree with you Flashmaster..PDX is growing fast agian, however, even with that growth Alaska focus is elsewhere. It's going to take another airline
92 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : How about BWI-SEA I don't think anybody flies that city pair non stop. Alaska Airlines offers DCA and IAD to SEA. I would love to see F9 fly a SEA-BNA
93 USAFHummer : Where'd ya hear that? Greg
94 STLGph : yes, part of what i was going for earlier. a few cities they could jump on. Seattle - Baltimore Seattle - Tampa Seattle - Ft. Myers and then some.
95 Copaair737 : MAH: Do you think that by US entering the SFO-FLL route, that AA will get on it as well? Then again, doesn't US run a minihub out of FLL? AS739X- Have
96 MAH4546 : No. American is done with FLL. They have reduced the operation to only 25 flights. The problem with FLL was that it was working a little too well. Th
97 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : What/Where is FNL
98 Mariner : Fort Collins, Colorado. 45 (?) miles north of Denver. cheers mariner
99 Chugach : I have been hoping for this for a while now. ANC-PDX is routinely twice as expensive as ANC-SEA. Back in the days when CO and TW flew ANC-PDX, this w
100 USAFHummer : Little bit more than that Mariner...closer to 60-70 miles, I'd guess... (also worth noting that FNL is not actually in Fort Collins proper, it's abou
101 Post contains images Mariner : Thanks, Greg - but that makes it even more of a puzzle for me. Why would Alaska want a terminal there? Are they planning to do a Ryanair and call it
102 Indy : I sort of agree with that. At least when it comes to the markets that Frontier would want to go after like the Florida destinations which are heavily
103 Fpofllflyboi : FPO would welcome Frontier with open arms even if only during Denver's winter months.
104 AS739X : Mariner: I know it won't happen. Thats why the snicker! I'm just saying is was a running rumor. ASSFO
105 Post contains images Mariner : But how old is that rumor? As I remember it was based on the concept of AS replacing the Boeing fleet with Airbus - AS had "invited Airbus to bid". A
106 Ikramerica : What if everyone is thinking backward? What if the focus city becomes CUN? F9 opens more and more flights to CUN from various US markets. Why not? Eco
107 FA4B6 : I think that's a really good point. Where else can they add CUN to thats not already served?
108 Mariner : There are not that many places left, but there are a few. And, at the same time, Frontier already refers to CUN as a focus city. cheers mariner
109 MAH4546 : From cities they currently serve, there is a lot of potential... -1w from Sacramento -1w from Portland -2/3w from Oakland -2/3w from San Diego -2/3w
110 UAL747DEN : Greg, I got that information from the city. Since G4 has started service FNL has increased traffic substantially obviously and qualified for some kind
111 Post contains links Mariner : That was enough information to provoke me to do a search, and yes, it is under consideration. http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs..../20050731/OPINIO
112 Flashmeister : I think you have the CUN service between PDX/SEA off. If F9 starts SEA-CUN at 3x/week, AS will definitely do it daily and F9 would compete with the ho
113 AirFrnt : I would be dropped dead shocked if this were true. FNL really isn't large enough to sustain their own lines, and AS has no where near enough mainline
114 Frntman : From a purely economic sense, MSY-CUN could make the most sense as it can seems like it could be done with the same flight crew originating in DEN. No
115 Post contains images Mariner : Um - a joke based on Ryanair. As in Frankfurt/Hahn. cheers mariner
116 Gigneil : Me too. Fort Collins just can't support the traffic when DEN is only 40ish minutes away. I disagree, and its sorta clear why. COS is far from DEN. Pe
117 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Are there any P2P possibilities from ANC. I saw ANC-PDX mentioned earlier. How about ANC-LAS. When it gets -19 degrees in Anchorage, Alaskans look for
118 USAFHummer : I highly doubt you'll ever see any of the DEN area GA reliever airports (Jeffco, Centennial, etc.) ever get scheduled airline service from the majors
119 MAH4546 : Alaska and America West fly the route. No need for a third airline. Similar case. With Alaska and Air Canada on the route, there is no need for a thi
120 AirFrnt : My comment was limited to F9 at COS. As far as "COS maintains leadership in fare growth and yield?" That's a lot of busiess hype words to deal with a
121 Stirling : I think back to when New Orleans was somewhat of a Western Caribbean "hub"... Why couldn't it happen again? Funneling flights to smallish, niche mark
122 UAL747DEN : Well I wouldn't mind if ya died so peace out! This is not a rumor, Loveland is building and AS would like to be the one to benefit from it. You must
123 Stirling : It is very close. The Census Bureau predicts that by 2025, The Northern Front Range, Larimer and Weld Counties; Fort Collins and Greeley MSAs, will h
124 AirFrnt : Uh... okay... Is there any documentation anywhere on this? A quick google search picks up nothing. I don't know where you are getting your informatio
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