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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

Japan Airlines Cuts Unprofitable Routes

Japan Airlines has announced a net loss of ¥38.4 billion for the quarter and a major cut of unprofitable international routes.

Among the routes being cut (and reduced):

* Fukuoka/Honolulu -- Cut effective Oct. 15
* Osaka/Honolulu -- Reduced from twice daily to once daily Oct. 1
* Fukuoka/Hong Kong -- Cut effective Oct. 3
* Tokyo/Saipan -- Cut effective Oct. 4
* Osaka/Saipan -- Cut effective Oct. 4
* Nagoya/Guam -- Cut effective Oct. 3
* Fukuoka/Seoul -- Cut effective Oct. 3
* Tokyo/Los Angeles -- Reduced from eight to seven flights a week effective Oct. 30
* Tokyo/Taipei/Kaoshiung -- A new direct flight between Tokyo and Kaoshiung starting Nov. 1
* Osaka/Denpasar-Bali/Jakarta/Osaka -- A new direct flight between Osaka and Denpasar starting Oct. 1

Japan Airlines also is adding a fifth Tokyo/Hong Kong cargo flight.

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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

oh THANK GOD! I topic got me all panicked!!

I hope they never cut YVR-NRT & NRT-DEL I have no clue about JAL's profitability on these routes.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

Worth noting that NRT-BNE services will be handed over to JALways, JAL's low cost long haul subsidiary.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 1):
I hope they never cut YVR-NRT & NRT-DEL I have no clue about JAL's profitability on these routes.

I don't think they will. From what I heard YVR-NRT runs out full from time to time and it is doing very well. A lot of ex-Hong Kong people or visitors from Hong Kong visiting friends/relatives in Vancouver take JAL and transit through NRT to/from YVR.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Just because a flight goes out full means squat from a profitability stand-point unless one is an accountant at JAL.
What I can say is that JL's entire int'l flight ops are only break-even (currently). Its the domestic routes that bring in steady revenue and profits.

Some routes do good and some not so. Its highly speculative but I suspect most leisure routes (eg. Saipan, even HNL) are probably marginal or operating at a significant loss, as exemplified by JL's route cuts announced now and in the past.

The reason the Saipan routes were cut is that the flights often were full on weekends but very empty on weekdays. Many leisure flights in the future will go on a charter basis or pax connected thru NGO, KIX or NRT from provincial airports.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Is KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX still unchanged?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

I have reasons to believe that the YVR route is not loss-making for JAL and will be here to stay for time to come. The MEX extension is definitely helping the bottom line.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5):
Is KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX still unchanged?

I believe so. Only NRT-BNE was listed as being handed over to JALways.

It would make sense to leave the NRT-SYD and KIX-BNE-SYD flights the same ie. JAL, as it provides crewing efficiencies. Both services operated on B744.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Quoting Airbus Lover (Reply 6):
I have reasons to believe that the YVR route is not loss-making for JAL and will be here to stay for time to come. The MEX extension is definitely helping the bottom line.

Yes, I would like to believe this. But even if the plane is full of Y pax, if the C is empty, there is no profitability. I guess the MEX flight really adds onto the revenue though.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
What I can say is that JL's entire int'l flight ops are only break-even (currently).

Sorta agree. But I guess the routes to JFK, GRU, and the double daily ORD routes are doing fairly well.

Now, I hope they don't cause any more critical errors in the coming months to lower the reputation of the company again.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

JAL's popularity has also not been too high with all the shotty maintenance. I have met people who say they are just not going to fly JL till they have thier maintenance right.

I can understand why they are cutting some of these routes. So many seats are sold through the package tour companies like JTB...so they are dirt cheap and airlines are just not making anything. People don't seem to know how to travel without a package tour. Most are rip offs anyway.

I am surprised they haven't cut NGO-CDG. It can't be going out full and I doubt there are many full fare payers on it. Loosing the GUM flight is not big. NW will start in October. Would not be surprised if JL feeds it a little. JL needs to bring back NGO-LAX.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
I am surprised they haven't cut NGO-CDG. It can't be going out full and I doubt there are many full fare payers on it.

Just to remind you that a couple of months ago JAL signed a partnership agreement with Brazil's TAM to codeshare on the route GRU-CDG-NGO, by which JAL operates CDG-NGO and TAM GRU-CDG. This could provide some sustainability to JAL's CDG-NGO flights. As you know, traffic Brazil-Japan is intense with JAL and RG flying direct flights between both countries.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5841 times:

I have spoken to JAL about their YVR-MEX operation. It costs them a firtune as they have a low frequency on the route. Crew costs are high because they have to base crew in YVR. It gets very low yield and the Mexicans have blocked any expansion to the schedule. Note it was one of the longest routes that still operated the 743 until recently.

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5311 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

6thfreedom, KIX-BNE-SYD is a 743.

They should come back to AKL year round, even if it is JALways. They have charters from October to December and there was 1 about 10 days ago to help move PAX affected by the Air NZ strike.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 11):
Note it was one of the longest routes that still operated the 743 until recently.

If I'm not mistaken, JAL operates the longest route in the world: NRT-JFK-GRU. I'm sure the situation is different from MEX: 1) JL's crew could rotate with JFK's flights; 2) crew cost based in GRU is not high, and part of JL's crew on the route is Brazilian-based anyway; 3) demand is high, and high-yielding. Still, with TAM starting flight JFK-GRU as of Octover, maybe JAL will discontinue the leg JFK-GRU and codeshare it with TAM...any views?

Rgs,


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

I'm glad they are keeping the NRT-FRA route as well... However, I have no idea about JAL's profitability on this route. Love those 744's...


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

NRT-MNL-NRT on JALway's.

you must be kidding me. What a stinking shame.

Ill be switching to CX the next time I fly back to MNL instead of JL.

errrrrr

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 15):
NRT-MNL-NRT on JALway's.

Where did you get that info?

What is the difference between JAL and JALway's?

Diesel33


User currently offlineEin145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
JAL's popularity has also not been too high with all the shotty maintenance. I have met people who say they are just not going to fly JL till they have thier maintenance right.

I would be one such person. I booked JL and had a very positive experience with them, and while I would love to travel with them again the bad publicity over safety/maintenance issues puts me right off.

I think changing the busy NRT-BNE route to JALWays would be a mistake, more then one or two leisure pax could be put off by those shabby looking 742s.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 16):
Where did you get that info?

Service will change starting October 1st.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 16):
What is the difference between JAL and JALway's?

I believe the big difference is that they don't offer F in their flights, just C/J and Y. And I think there are no PTV's in Y. Service is probably not as good as JL.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
I believe the big difference is that they don't offer F in their flights, just C/J and Y. And I think there are no PTV's in Y. Service is probably not as good as JL.

They don't offer First on any of their services to Manila.

I believe when they operate flights to Manila on aircrafts that do have a First Class cabin that it is still with a Business Class service and the seats are offered to their frequent flyers and random people if they are lucky.

Diesel33


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 19):
They don't offer First on any of their services to Manila.

I believe when they operate flights to Manila on aircrafts that do have a First Class cabin that it is still with a Business Class service and the seats are offered to their frequent flyers and random people if they are lucky.

Correct, but would you fly old J product to MNL with JO or current product with JL?

Drew



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User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 20):
Correct, but would you fly old J product to MNL with JO or current product with JL?

Good point. Maybe they should make only their morning dept. from NRT and their afternoon dept. from MNL operated by JO. It is my impression that the afternoon dept. from NRT to MNL has a lot of connectors from the US and Europe and those businessmen travelling that routing can enjoy the JL service the whole way.

Diesel33


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 12):
6thfreedom, KIX-BNE-SYD is a 743.

Hi ZK...

Yes, KIX-BNE-SYD IS currently a B743, but will be changed to B744 from the start of the Northern Winter schedule!


User currently offlineLurch From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

This link will help those trying to find out which machine is operating which route on a daily basis!

http://www.cargo.jal.co.jp/FLT_DSPe.htm

Once on the site type in the flight number and press enter you can check up to 24 hours ahead on some flights.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32700 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
If I'm not mistaken, JAL operates the longest route in the world: NRT-JFK-GRU.

Air New Zealand's Auckland-Heathrow service via Los Angeles is the world's longest one-plane service, at 11960mi.

Varig's routing to Tokyo also beats out JAL's. NRT-LAX-GRU is 11607mi. NRT-JFK-GRU is "only" 11489mi.



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25 ZK-NBT : 6thfreedom I believe this route is currently operated by JALways. KIX-BNE-SYD that is.
26 HB-IWC : The Osaka-Denpasar link was always there, with DC10, then with B772 and now with B763. The difference is that the Jakarta stop will be cancelled out
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