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Boeing 787 Update - Where Are The Pics?  
User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15062 times:

Hi everyone, as promised several weeks back on my post re: A380 update, here is part 2. Is there any latest information including pictures of the Boeing 787?

I do get the feeling that both Airbus and Boeing are not too keen on updating their information for us, aviation enthusiasts, with regards to their latest developments. I was under the impression that since we are in the 21st century, information is vital to share.

Again... a little pledge, please do not start the AvB war here nor start your personal vendetas. Remember, all of us have one thing in common. WE ALL LOVE AVIATION!!! No matter what shape, size, etc. Thanks


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15020 times:

A & B probably "spend" a lot of info at le Bourget & are on vacation, busy with the kids..

User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

Keesje, you might have a point there. :O))


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14664 times:

And they'll probably report something when it's in their best interests for PR value.


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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13746 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 1):
A & B probably "spend" a lot of info at le Bourget & are on vacation, busy with the kids..


...and enjoying every minute away from the rest of us. As they should.  Smile



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User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11441 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Thread starter):
I do get the feeling that both Airbus and Boeing are not too keen on updating their information for us

Well Airbus at least did a good job with the A380 Navigator which allowed most of us to watch the A380 progress.(http://events.airbus.com/A380/default1.aspx)

But unfortunately nothing for any other Airbus products like the A350, but this could still happen.

But it has to be said Boeing are very much keeping us in the dark with the progress of the 787. I wish they also had a A380 style navigator. There must be some juicy shots somewhere of a production prototype or something!! Even the images of the 787 on their website seem to be inconsistient.


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 5):
But it has to be said Boeing are very much keeping us in the dark with the progress of the 787

I don't know about that; there's been a bit of a slowdown in the last couple of months, but before that there was a steady stream of press releases:

http://www.newairplane.com/en-US/News.html
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/releases.html


Quoting Lazybones (Reply 5):
There must be some juicy shots somewhere of a production prototype or something!!

The only aspects of the 787 design that have been frozen are the external dimensions, so it's too early for much physical equipment. Boeing did build a composite fuselage section for destructive testing at the beginning of the year:



http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050111g.html

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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 5):
But it has to be said Boeing are very much keeping us in the dark with the progress of the 787.

I wouldn't say that. I recently read a fairly comprehensive article on the composite fuselage. Discussed some of the problems and some of the surprises. Beyond that, what would you expect them to announce?


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11179 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

If you drive by the old Duwamish Skunkworks on Marginal Way west of BFI you can see pieces of 787 fuselage being spun. Its pretty cool.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

>> I do get the feeling that both Airbus and Boeing are not too keen on updating their information for us, aviation enthusiasts, with regards to their latest developments. I was under the impression that since we are in the 21st century, information is vital to share.

Either you're kidding or your are incredibly ignorant about the plethora of information made available by Airbus and Boeing to us enthusiast. For example:

http://www.boeing.com/randy/
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/flight_test/
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/e_brochure/
http://events.airbus.com/A380/default1.aspx
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/presskits/index.jsp

It's an oft criticism that if anyone in the A380 or 787 development team sneezes, the respective manufacture will let you know. Airbus in particular chronicled the assembly of F-WOWW from milling of the first parts to roll-out.

>> There must be some juicy shots somewhere of a production prototype or something!!

Out of luck, production of the first 787 type should not begin until early/mid-2006. We have been treated to some test sections that have already been manufactured:

Nose section:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/k63374.html

Fuselage section: (already posted above)
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/k63211-1.html

>> But it has to be said Boeing are very much keeping us in the dark with the progress of the 787.

No, you may just have to read instead of wait for a Flash presentation  Wink

>> Even the images of the 787 on their website seem to be inconsistient.

Only if you saved the images of the "Sharktail" 787 to your desktop. The only images on 787 media today are those of the "finalized design" presented in Q2-2005:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/photos.html

There are some differences between the variants because there are two wings and two fuselage sizes being offered...

>> But unfortunately nothing for any other Airbus products like the A350, but this could still happen.

Slow down turbo, it hasn't even been launched yet !


User currently offlineLazybones From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

Thanks B2707SST

But this is exactly my point, with the exception of the actual headlines this is all old info. The navigator is updated at least monthly. There is nothing complete about the A380F either but there is still lots of info/pictures for enthusiasts to get stuck into.

There is so much cutting edge technology in the 787, there must be a lot more to see than one fuselage section and a cabin mockup by now! Where are they building this thing Area 51!!! Big grin


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10823 times:

DfwRevolution => Either you're kidding or your are incredibly ignorant about the plethora of information made available by Airbus and Boeing to us enthusiast. For example:

This is the LATEST production info on the A380 (not A380F):

15 November 2004
A380 PRODUCTION MOVES ON SEAMLESSLY


Production of A380 at Airbus sites across Europe continues to ramp up.


Three aircraft are undergoing systems equipping at the A380 final assembly line in Toulouse. In another area of the plant, the main sections of the latest aircraft (forward, central and rear fuselage, wings) are being assembled.

Airbus’ site in Saint Nazaire, which is responsible for the assembly of the A380’s forward and central fuselage, as well as the aircraft’s cockpit and belly fairing, is assembling the forward fuselage and cockpit of the fifth and sixth aircraft. Teams there are also putting together the huge central fuselage section for the seventh, eighth and ninth aircraft. Saint Nazaire is also installing systems in the central fuselage sections for the fifth and sixth aircraft.

At Broughton, UK, both wings for the seventh aircraft are in the final stages of structural assembly and will shortly move to systems equipping. Spars and ribs for the wings of the tenth aircraft are in jig and are undergoing assembly. Components for the wings of the eighth and ninth aircraft are currently being manufactured. Two sets of wings, for the fifth and sixth aircraft are at an advanced equipping stage at Broughton and are being installed with wing tips, fuel and hydraulic systems and electrical harnesses.

At Hamburg engineers have launched structural assembly of the forward fuselage for the ninth and tenth aircraft and is equipping the sixth, seventh and eighth aircraft. For the rear fuselage, the sixth, seventh and eighth aircraft are in structural assembly, and the fifth A380 is in the systems equipping stage.

At the Airbus plant in Puerto Real, Spain, work is under way on the final assembly of the horizontal tail plane for the fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth aircraft. The plant is also completing construction of the belly fairing for the seventh aircraft. The rear fuselage and tail cone are manufactured at the Airbus site in Getafe, Spain. The rear fuselage section for the seventh aircraft has nearly been completed and production of the eighth A380 has been launched. The plant is also well-advanced on the manufacture of the tail cone sections for the fifth and sixth aircraft.

NOVEMBER 15, 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's 9 months!!!!!!

I rest my case....



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User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

It looks like the 787 production won't be as advertised as the A380.

User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 10):
But this is exactly my point, with the exception of the actual headlines this is all old info. The navigator is updated at least monthly. There is nothing complete about the A380F either but there is still lots of info/pictures for enthusiasts to get stuck into.

There is so much cutting edge technology in the 787, there must be a lot more to see than one fuselage section and a cabin mockup by now! Where are they building this thing Area 51!!!

The point is they're not building much of anything yet. The plane is still being designed, and much of the work is being done by dozens of subcontractors. Boeing (and Airbus) put out releases when the program reaches a milestone, but they're not exactly going to sound the trumpets when an inboard flap track fairing test subject is milled out of composite instead of aluminum or the team completes detail design of the APU exhaust nozzle.

Developing a new aircraft is made up of thousands of what are, in isolation, relatively unremarkable steps. The marketing staff is not going to bother issuing updates for the 0.00001% of the population that cares about such details, as much as we might like it.

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
This is the LATEST production info on the A380

Not sure where you're looking, but there was a media circus regarding the A380's rollout, then its first flight, then its appearance at Paris, then the production and delivery delays, etc.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10706 times:

Quoting A380900 (Reply 12):
It looks like the 787 production won't be as advertised as the A380.

It looks like reply 9 went in one ear and out the other with you.

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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
If you drive by the old Duwamish Skunkworks on Marginal Way west of BFI you can see pieces of 787 fuselage being spun. Its pretty cool.

Brings back memories of staying up late to go pick up daddy after swing shift over there.

I thought they were doing the fuselages somewhere else. Last article I saw also said the test fuselages were in Auburn.


User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 13):
Not sure where you're looking, but there was a media circus regarding the A380's rollout, then its first flight, then its appearance at Paris, then the production and delivery delays, etc.

Point taken. The info comes from the Airbus A380 Navigator. It has not been updated for AGES and again.... we are only talking about the first aircraft (F-WWOW). There is a picture of the 2nd F-WXXL on A.net, however if you read the text carefully, it mentions much more than just 1 plane undergoing final assembly (systems that is). Probably it is attributed to results of testing.



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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Nose section:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7....html

Thanks for pointing this one out! Very cool. Gray all over with no windows cut out yet. That hammers home the importance of the new manufacturing technique used for this aircraft. Billions, nay, make that tens of billions, are being bet on this vision.


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