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EasyJet Announces Bremen  
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

easyJet today announced services to a sixth German airport. Bremen will see a daily flight to London Luton effective October 31 but I'm sure more will follow!

Regards,
RJ100


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Can you present your source? The Easyjet homepage does not say anything yet. Anyways, great news for the Bremen area.

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

BRE !
As a point-to-point service from LTN this makes sense !
But as is stated in another thread (in June 2005), I don´t see BRE becoming a base for U2 (due to the nightly curfew even for inbound a/c - see http://www.boeing.com/commercial/noise/bremen.html ).

Anyway: Good luck to U2 !
-HT



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Yes, I completely forgot about that. It was a press release from easyJet Germany (Oliver Aust and John Kohlsaat).

Strange that they haven't announced it on EZY's website yet...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
I don´t see BRE becoming a base for U2 (due to the nightly curfew even for inbound a/c

Well, it didn't stop Easyjet from opening a base at Dortmund. Looking at the schedule at Dortmund, they seem to have the same curfew (earliest departure (on AB) at 6:00, EZY at 6:20; last incoming flight 21:55 (AB), 21:45 (EZY). They seem to fit 3 roundtrips in the schedule. However, in another thread it was stated that the DTM yields where dissapointing.


User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

I also just saw the news on n-tv but so far have seen nothing on n-tv.de yet. I was hoping that U2 would add flights to STR since they seem to want to find the battle with Germanwings and hlx and after CGN and BER STR would make sense.

Max


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting GodBless (Reply 5):
they seem to want to find the battle with Germanwings and hlx and after CGN and BER

Mmm, I don't see it like this. To CGN, they are steady with 3 flights from their bases in the UK (LGW, EMA, LPL) and they didn't add any flight in the last months.

In Berlin, actually Easyjet started with the low-cost operations on a massive scale on SXF. Germanwings arrived way later and only have a small presence with 9 destinations; and 4 of them Easyjet can not even offer even if they wanted to (Moscow, Istanbul, Ankara, Split) as they are outside the EU. Also the HLX operations from Berlin are very small compared to Easyjet.

IMO, Easyjet seeks more for the holes in the network, offering services from cities that have a big potential but only few flights. Look at Berlin, Geneva and Basle (after LX moved away flight after flight), Dortmund (hardly any services however a very nicely located airport). Not too much competition there!


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

SXF - BRE would be great - not necessarily daily but twice a week or so. I better don't start holding my breath, but I find train rides from Berlin to Bremen (4 hours) quite fatiguing.


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

I don't see a twice-weekly SXF-BRE happen. It would not have high enough yields to make it work. A twice weekly service would not attract business travelers, more students who visit their families and that kind of traffic. And to attract that, they will have to compete with the trains. Hardly business here. And 4 hours by train is not that much. I think service can work to some holiday destinations like PMI, ALC, BCN, CIA, etc, and some traffic to Poland and Hungary. Just look to DTM.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9446 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 7):
SXF - BRE would be great - not necessarily daily but twice a week or so. I better don't start holding my breath, but I find train rides from Berlin to Bremen (4 hours) quite fatiguing.

Well, I don'tknow how you travel by train, but Bremen Central to Berlin Zoo is 2:49 for the fastest ICE and about 3,07 connecting via HAJ. You hardly can beat that by air, even if the airport in Berlin would be THF instead of SXF. Except for the 3 OLT Metros per working day which cut about an hour from the train travel time, there is hardly a market for flights and esoecially not for an LCC.

I see the LTN-BRE rather as a spoke and not as a new Easy hub. The market is too small in BRE and FMO as well as HAJ are nearby and easy to reach for leisure travellers.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Still for me NUE would be a better choice for Easy to set up more flights...
The catchment area of NUE is at least twice that of Bremen ,and the fact that 8 flights to Paris are offred each day, is an indication of the economic importance of Northern Bavaria.



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4119 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

It's now officially announced on their website:

http://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/bremen_bournemouth_geneva.html

easyJet is acting very clever, they fly to a lot of cities with a big catchment area but which are completely left aside by the "national" carrier (or similar). Geneva, Basel, Bremen, Berlin etc. are good examples while the "national" carriers are still in their misbelief, that local demand does not exist and that everything needs to be concentrated in one or two hubs.

I am glad that easyJet steps in and fills the gaps. Saying that, HAJ and NUE are definitely candidates for an easyJet destination and/or hub.

As for Dortmund and the curfew: I have heard that sometimes they need to divert into Münster/Osnabrück if they come in late. That costs a lot of money so the curfew in BRE might be a reason not to set up a base there.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineSilverwing From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Yes!!! This is great news! I´ve been hoping that the rumors about BRE and easyjet would come true. I only hope that this is only the first step and that they will make BRE into a hub. I think there definately is a market, especially to places like BCN, ALC or PMI. Good luck to U2!

By the way, airport Bremen´s webpage doesn´t mention this yet...


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 11):
easyJet is acting very clever, they fly to a lot of cities with a big catchment area but which are completely left aside by the "national" carrier (or similar). Geneva, Basel, Bremen, Berlin etc. are good examples while the "national" carriers are still in their misbelief, that local demand does not exist and that everything needs to be concentrated in one or two hubs.

I would not state it like this. A few years ago, it might have been the situation indeed. But now the national carriers see that there is a market for point-to-point flights. However, the business models of that 'national' carriers like Swiss, Lufthansa, etc, are not suited for those point-to-point flights, the model of Easyjet and Ryanair is.

Lufthansa launched Germanwings to handle this. While LH concetrates mostly on the hubs FRA and MUC, Germanwings takes over more and more p2p-flights. Now it is CGN, NUE and SXF; DUS will follow this year, and probably also HAM. So here LH is defenitely not in misbelieve, it is the other way around: they see that low-cost point-to-point flights demand another business model and so they created another company. The only market LH didn't really notice has been Berlin, easyJet saw this.

For LX and GVA/BSL: well, Easyjet shows that the airports can support a number of flights. But LX can not do it profitable with their business model, so they withdrew. The only thing they could do.

With the 'national carrier' business model, they can not competitively operate low-cost p2p flights from smaller cities, but they can profitably operate long-haul routes. The easyJets, Germanwings and Ryanairs of this world can operate this p2p-service, but are not suited for long-haul.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 8):
I don't see a twice-weekly SXF-BRE happen. It would not have high enough yields to make it work.

Yeah, I know ... I'm fully aware of that.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
Well, I don'tknow how you travel by train, but Bremen Central to Berlin Zoo is 2:49 for the fastest ICE and about 3,07 connecting via HAJ.

Make it an average of 3:22 even if the train is on time.

Look, I know exactly that we won't see SXF-BRE. As I said, I'm not holding my breath; it was merely a dream, because I - yes - do consider 3.5 hours (not to say 4 again) on a train a long time. After that, I feel fatigued and I'm not in the best mood. Maybe it's because I'm quite often on a train for 3 or more hours, and it always bores me.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting Silverwing (Reply 12):
will make BRE into a hub. I think there definately is a market, especially to places like BCN, ALC or PMI.

PMI is served by AB/HF more than daily during summer and 4pw in the coming winter with flights feeding AB´s hub at PMI an offering onward connection to the Iberian peninsula.

Filling several weekly flights (or even one daily flight) to BCN and ALC from BRE will be difficult !

I assume, BRE will remain a spoke-destination only for U2 with maybe another spoke being opened up in time.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 11):
Saying that, HAJ and NUE are definitely candidates for an easyJet destination and/or hub.

As I´ve said before, HAJ will not see FR or U2 as during the latest discussion in this direction HF, HLX and AB threatened to withdraw its a/c stationed at HAJ. Actually the deal was that these carriers agreed to station additional a/c at HAJ PLUS adding additional routes from HAJ (this led to new BUD, ARN and reinstated PSA & CIA).
Also HF / HLX have their maintenance base in HAJ and HLX runs it op´s-center and its call-center near HAJ. These were threatened to be relocated too in case FR or U2 were allowed to serve HAJ (in conjuction with discounted fees).

Also with AB´/HF´s new second daily flight from HAJ to PMI this winter (to feed AB´s morning hub), there is the possibility to make daytrips into the Iberian peninsular !

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 11):
As for Dortmund and the curfew: I have heard that sometimes they need to divert into Münster/Osnabrück if they come in late. That costs a lot of money so the curfew in BRE might be a reason not to set up a base there.

Just my opinion !
Having to divert to an alternate (and overnight there) will play havoc to your tightly scheduled op´s (even well throughout the following day) !
Also to be taken into account is the inconvenience for the pax as they will have to be bussed over to their original destination on the carriers costs. Plus the carrier will have to transfer the a/c the next morning (and also the crews will have to travel) - Yeah, best thing for a LCC to take care of !  banghead 
-HT



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