DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7680 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6175 times:
Looks like their are thunderstorms in the vincinity of YOW right now. SYR would be a bit closer and has appropriate customs and immigrations facilities.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31156 posts, RR: 76 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
Most diversions are going to Montreal, including British Airways, Malev, and Aeroflot. The inbound AC 340-500 from Hong Kong is diverted to Winnipeg, as are most inbound flights from the West, including AC's Tokyo inbound.
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 503 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6027 times:
Damn, those passengers on that plane must be going crazy! I hope the situation -while waiting- is bearable. I'm surprised they didn't continue to Chicago, Montreal or New York where KLM has its own crews...just in case.
Runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2043 posts, RR: 39 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5995 times:
I think in view of what happened any passengers diverted would accept this.
Hjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 847 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 6): Damn, those passengers on that plane must be going crazy! I hope the situation -while waiting- is bearable. I'm surprised they didn't continue to Chicago, Montreal or New York where KLM has its own crews...just in case.
Venezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1409 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5897 times:
Anyone know how Immigration gets handled at this point...I mean its certainly sad for something liek this to happen but for those who are in the hospitals do they have police officers all around to make sure no one escapes?
TrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5699 times:
They couldn't divert to DTW. They didn't have the fuel.
ChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 618 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5681 times:
KLM declared a fuel emergency just after they were advised that the airport closed. They requested direct clearence to SYR, ATC suggested YHM, but KLM preferred SYR for some reason. Couldn't make it out on the ATC archive.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7680 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
Is the plane still in SYR? And if it is, any idea on when it is supposed to depart?
I'm going to be heading down to Syracuse tomorrow morning, I might just swing by the airport if I have 5 extra minutes.
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QANTAS077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5751 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 13): KLM declared a fuel emergency just after they were advised that the airport closed. They requested direct clearence to SYR, ATC suggested YHM, but KLM preferred SYR for some reason. Couldn't make it out on the ATC archive.
they were i think number 2 to the Air France and were advised they would have to divert, i think when they aborted the approach they made a right turn and the pilot of KL was clearly heard saying that SYR was directly ahead of them and that they preferred to land there instead of turning back.
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DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7680 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5628 times:
Found my own answer....
Airline Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number 691
Departure City (Airport) Syracuse, NY (SYR)
Departure Time 08/02/2005 08:28 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Toronto, ON, Canada (YYZ)
Arrival Time 08/02/2005 09:40 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-400
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived
Airline Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number 691
Departure City (Airport) Amsterdam, Netherlands (EHAM)
Departure Time 08/02/2005 07:32 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Toronto, ON, Canada (YYZ)
Arrival Time 08/02/2005 04:32 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-400
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived
Seems they finally made it to Toronto.
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Falcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1294 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5641 times:
Looks like Aerosweet and Martinair also diverted to YOW along with a BA 747-400 and 777. El Al 106 appears to have gone to Hamilton. LTU went to Niagara Falls and 2 AC A319s from Montego Bay and Havana (983 & 989) diverted to Windsor.
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HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1599 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5477 times:
Quoting Danny (Reply 19): Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
I hope the KLM pax in SYR were permitted to disembark, or did they spend 4 hours sitting in that 744?
They would have to go through US Immigration. So I rather think they remained onboard.
But someone said that was the whole reason they went to SYR in the lengthy thread. When I was flying an SV747300 we were diverted to Gander, NF, on our way to JFK. We were allowed to disembark and visit the gift shop, toilets and cafe, as we were on the ground for a several hours.
TymnBalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 913 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5398 times:
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 20): But someone said that was the whole reason they went to SYR in the lengthy thread. When I was flying an SV747300 we were diverted to Gander, NF, on our way to JFK. We were allowed to disembark and visit the gift shop, toilets and cafe, as we were on the ground for a several hours.
I'm only hazarding a guess...Generally speaking US airports are not designed for international transfer traffic. You arrive...you go through imms/customs. There aren't really facilities to hold (quarantine) passengers in the terminal without having them go through the US imms/customs.
Much of the rest of the world have a set-up whereby internationally arriving folks can disembark into the airport without visiting the authorities first.
When I worked at BWI we had a int'l flight divert there. It arrived before the customs hall opened so no one was permitted to disembark. They remained with the aircraft until it was dispatched to JFK.
I've never been to SYR, but my guess would be that the passengers would remain on board unless they were to go through the gov't formalities.
Newkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
DAMN! I should have flown to SYR instead of BGM this afternoon... I just came back from Vienna!
I really wish someone was there to take photos.
Edit: I just got my first chance to surf the net in 24 hours, missed the whole Air France thing, which I guess it the cause of the diversion. Didn't mean to be unsympathetic, I just read this thread before reading about the YYZ incident.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7680 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5299 times:
Well the 747 @ SYR made the local news. Right after the new baby elephant at the zoo.
In case anyone cares it was PH-BFN, and the spotters were out at the airport. They got one of them on the news (Time Warner News 10 Now for you upstaters).
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Newkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5264 times:
26 Newkai: The ATC feed from liveatc.net: http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/ksyr/KSYR-Aug-02-05-1600.mp3 (about last five minutes) http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/
27 Newkai: I take back the missed approach thing... I misheard it... The KL pilot said "in case of missed approach."
29 Newkai: Good to hear. Is Ed Spronski, the man interviewed spotting at SYR an a.netter by any chance?
30 Bombayhog: I love how the news10 article doesn't make the connection between the Toronto incident and the diversion of the KLM flight. It's even funnier because
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