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KLM Inbound To SYR  
User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 351 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Diversion from YYZ ..... KLM B747 KL691
RGDS/Jetset

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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Thats wierd. The plane should have gone to Ottawa.


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

Looks like their are thunderstorms in the vincinity of YOW right now. SYR would be a bit closer and has appropriate customs and immigrations facilities.


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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3334 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6599 times:
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443 s.o.b. they had 30 minutes of fuel onboard. they landed safely.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

I wish that SWF would get some of these diversions...

They also said that BUF was a potential diversion destination.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

Most diversions are going to Montreal, including British Airways, Malev, and Aeroflot. The inbound AC 340-500 from Hong Kong is diverted to Winnipeg, as are most inbound flights from the West, including AC's Tokyo inbound.


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User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

Damn, those passengers on that plane must be going crazy! I hope the situation -while waiting- is bearable. I'm surprised they didn't continue to Chicago, Montreal or New York where KLM has its own crews...just in case.

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

I think in view of what happened any passengers diverted would accept this.

User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

I'm a f/a and know how hard it is (for both crew and passengers) when you're waiting and waiting with all thoses questions!

User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 6):
Damn, those passengers on that plane must be going crazy

I'm more concerned about the pax on the AF flight

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 7):
think in view of what happened any passengers diverted would accept this

Some sense, thankyou


User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 6):
Damn, those passengers on that plane must be going crazy! I hope the situation -while waiting- is bearable. I'm surprised they didn't continue to Chicago, Montreal or New York where KLM has its own crews...just in case.

Wouldn't DTW be better. It's a KLM/NW hub.

[Edited 2005-08-03 00:27:09]


LH 442
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Anyone know how Immigration gets handled at this point...I mean its certainly sad for something liek this to happen but for those who are in the hospitals do they have police officers all around to make sure no one escapes?


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User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

They couldn't divert to DTW. They didn't have the fuel.

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

KLM declared a fuel emergency just after they were advised that the airport closed. They requested direct clearence to SYR, ATC suggested YHM, but KLM preferred SYR for some reason. Couldn't make it out on the ATC archive.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

Is the plane still in SYR? And if it is, any idea on when it is supposed to depart?

I'm going to be heading down to Syracuse tomorrow morning, I might just swing by the airport if I have 5 extra minutes.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 13):
KLM declared a fuel emergency just after they were advised that the airport closed. They requested direct clearence to SYR, ATC suggested YHM, but KLM preferred SYR for some reason. Couldn't make it out on the ATC archive.

they were i think number 2 to the Air France and were advised they would have to divert, i think when they aborted the approach they made a right turn and the pilot of KL was clearly heard saying that SYR was directly ahead of them and that they preferred to land there instead of turning back.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Found my own answer....

Airline Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number 691
Departure City (Airport) Syracuse, NY (SYR)
Departure Time 08/02/2005 08:28 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Toronto, ON, Canada (YYZ)
Arrival Time 08/02/2005 09:40 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-400
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived
Airline Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number 691
Departure City (Airport) Amsterdam, Netherlands (EHAM)
Departure Time 08/02/2005 07:32 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Toronto, ON, Canada (YYZ)
Arrival Time 08/02/2005 04:32 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-400
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


Seems they finally made it to Toronto.



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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

Looks like Aerosweet and Martinair also diverted to YOW along with a BA 747-400 and 777. El Al 106 appears to have gone to Hamilton. LTU went to Niagara Falls and 2 AC A319s from Montego Bay and Havana (983 & 989) diverted to Windsor.


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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

I hope the KLM pax in SYR were permitted to disembark, or did they spend 4 hours sitting in that 744?

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
I hope the KLM pax in SYR were permitted to disembark, or did they spend 4 hours sitting in that 744?

They would have to go through US Immigration. So I rather think they remained onboard.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
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Quoting Danny (Reply 19):
Quoting CayMan (Reply 18):
I hope the KLM pax in SYR were permitted to disembark, or did they spend 4 hours sitting in that 744?

They would have to go through US Immigration. So I rather think they remained onboard.

But someone said that was the whole reason they went to SYR in the lengthy thread. When I was flying an SV747300 we were diverted to Gander, NF, on our way to JFK. We were allowed to disembark and visit the gift shop, toilets and cafe, as we were on the ground for a several hours.

PS - did anyone get a picture of it at SYR?



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 20):
But someone said that was the whole reason they went to SYR in the lengthy thread. When I was flying an SV747300 we were diverted to Gander, NF, on our way to JFK. We were allowed to disembark and visit the gift shop, toilets and cafe, as we were on the ground for a several hours.

I'm only hazarding a guess...Generally speaking US airports are not designed for international transfer traffic. You arrive...you go through imms/customs. There aren't really facilities to hold (quarantine) passengers in the terminal without having them go through the US imms/customs.

Much of the rest of the world have a set-up whereby internationally arriving folks can disembark into the airport without visiting the authorities first.

When I worked at BWI we had a int'l flight divert there. It arrived before the customs hall opened so no one was permitted to disembark. They remained with the aircraft until it was dispatched to JFK.

I've never been to SYR, but my guess would be that the passengers would remain on board unless they were to go through the gov't formalities.

C.



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User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

DAMN! I should have flown to SYR instead of BGM this afternoon... I just came back from Vienna!

I really wish someone was there to take photos.

Edit: I just got my first chance to surf the net in 24 hours, missed the whole Air France thing, which I guess it the cause of the diversion. Didn't mean to be unsympathetic, I just read this thread before reading about the YYZ incident.

[Edited 2005-08-03 06:27:50]

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5825 times:

Well the 747 @ SYR made the local news. Right after the new baby elephant at the zoo.

In case anyone cares it was PH-BFN, and the spotters were out at the airport. They got one of them on the news (Time Warner News 10 Now for you upstaters).



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User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Yeah, here it is: http://news10now.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=46605

At least we have a tiny photo!


25 AlitaliaMD11 : Looks truly beautiful at SYR!
26 Post contains links Newkai : The ATC feed from liveatc.net: http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/ksyr/KSYR-Aug-02-05-1600.mp3 (about last five minutes) http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/
27 Newkai : I take back the missed approach thing... I misheard it... The KL pilot said "in case of missed approach."
28 Hotje : She's back in AMS, 6 hours late.
29 Newkai : Good to hear. Is Ed Spronski, the man interviewed spotting at SYR an a.netter by any chance?
30 Bombayhog : I love how the news10 article doesn't make the connection between the Toronto incident and the diversion of the KLM flight. It's even funnier because
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