LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2775 times:
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Brazilian Regional Airline (nowadays) Ocean Air will receive, starting this month, 15 F100 (under Check on AA facilities and all ex-AA) and also 2 767-300ER.
The F100 fleet will be used for some domestic routes (probably replacing little planes at CGH) and some regional flights like SDU-Macae (oil market). They could give to the market another strong player (as nowadays they use only up uo 50 seats non-jet planes) and another nightmare for RG staff. Webjet just announced a single price policy today for all routes.
Ocean Air is part of Sinergy Group which also controls Avianca.
Rgds,
Felipe
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Neo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2623 times:
Where did you read this? Do you mind sharing your source with us?
Probably the F-100 will be used to open and increase bigger routes... they won't put this new planes in small regional routes sucha as SSA-Barreiras and CGH-Sorocaba and so forth...
Expect many new routes to be launched if they really get all these new planes.
A300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
Also, other brazilian foruns are talking about the 2 767-300ER. The plans from OceanAir / Avianca has been talked some in the near past. American is working to delivery the F100 fleet very soon.
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Felipe
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Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
I wonder if the 763s would go to AV.
I heard that AV wants the Colombian civil aviation authority to ask for rights on the BOG-BCN route on the next bi-lateral agreement negotiations between Colombia and Spain in September. AV has also asked to re-open its LAX route. Clearly more aircraft are needed.
So i guess all 15 F-100 will come from AA, right? Seems like 10 are stored at the Mojave desert, what about the other 5? Are they in operation in AA yet?
I checked Oceanair website but there is no news about this yet.
Wonder what routes will be the first to receive the F-100's.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 4): So that means 8-10 F100 for AV, 15 for Ocean and only 4-6 for Wayra and Vipsa????
I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5): I wonder if the 763s would go to AV.
I heard that AV wants the Colombian civil aviation authority to ask for rights on the BOG-BCN route on the next bi-lateral agreement negotiations between Colombia and Spain in September. AV has also asked to re-open its LAX route. Clearly more aircraft are needed.
The info given was the first concerning to Ocean Air 763's. We need more info to get the exactly reasons and where they intend to fly with such birds. With 15 F100 i suppose they are trying to build a little hub for international flights which could be Brazil-Colombia-xxxx. Any bets ?
Also, domestic operations will be heavily expanded with those new aircrafts (and probably with low fares which can hit RG more...), let's see their F100 routes.
Felipe
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RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1938 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): With 15 F100 i suppose they are trying to build a little hub for international flights which could be Brazil-Colombia-xxxx. Any bets ?
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.
The F100s dont have the range for this routes, at least GRU/GIG-Peru or BOG-Peru. Maybe BOG-MAO but that would be operated by MD...
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11): The F100s dont have the range for this routes, at least GRU/GIG-Peru or BOG-Peru. Maybe BOG-MAO but that would be operated by MD...
Sorry, it was not clear. I try to say that they can create a hub with 15 F100, and use their 763 fleet from such hub.
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11): Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
I don't know the exact numbers for Wayra, but with Avianca and Ocean Air they can offer flights to/from Brazil and Colombia to Peru, increasing the number of planes flying there.
Could be BSB-LIM ? I don't know the exactly range for the F100. But i know JJ operates GIG-FOR with them, a 3 hours flight (over 2,000 Km).
Rgds,
Felipe
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): So with a pair of 767s, will they be going long-haul? I wonder if they are going to take the safe route (MIA) or do something different.
Mike, i think MIA could be a good route if they can feed the flight with some F100. We know that there are market at Northeast (where AA want to fly) and Ocean Air could use one 763 on REC-MIA for example. BSB (with connections) could be another good route for MIA. Let's see the developments, hope they can announce something during the next weeks.
Felipe
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Q400 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
Does anyone know if any of these F100s were destined for the now defunct Jetsgo? I know when Jetsgo went bankrupt, there were still a number of ex-AA F100s to be delivered.
AMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
Quoting Q400 (Reply 16): Does anyone know if any of these F100s were destined for the now defunct Jetsgo? I know when Jetsgo went bankrupt, there were still a number of ex-AA F100s to be delivered.
There is only one F100 destined for JetsGo left in MHV desert; the others were already in Quebec. I assume that none of these will be part of the deal with Synergy. All 17 F100s (of which 13 were in service) were owned by JetsGo and are being sold by the creditors. A couple of weeks ago it was reported that they have sold six Fokker F-100 aircraft for $15 million. One went to Ford Company. The others to one unknown client. Later the news emerged that 3 are going to Carpatair (Rumania) and 5 to Austrian Arrows. The rest will follow.
Without the JetsGo planes there are 29 exAA F100s left (excluding the five that are reportedly to be broken up). So after the sale to Synergy there are none left in the desert, that will ever fly again.
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