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Spotting At EWR.....Impossible!  
User currently offlineFLYiCRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Ive been photographing aircraft at EWR for 4 years now, unfortuantly none of my photos passed the A.net screening tests. However, every time I go to shoot pictures at EWR I get kicked out and warned. The other day I recieved a police report in the mail about my "suspicious activities". I go to the Ikea parking lot and get kicked out...go into their glass cafeteria (great view of 4L and 4R arrivals and departures) and get kicked out...I pull of on the bridge before 4L and 4R and get chased away...I pull into parking lots just before the 22 runways and get chased away.....I pull over on the turnpike and 5 squad cars pull up...now if i really need help or it was an emergency, I would be sitting their all night without anyone coming. I know they are on high alert with terrorism and homeland security, and I appreciate the fact that people are watching around the airports, but I am a 17 yr old aviation enthusiast, and when I go to the airport I have a camera in my hands..not a RPG or a anti-aircraft gun. So can any of you EWR spotters give me some good places to spot without running into trouble with law enforcement.

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17441 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Unfortunately it's the government, and they're all mentally retarded and immune to reason so no matter what you're screwed.


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User currently offlineFLYiCRJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Yea...thats what i pretty much figured...me and my friend now take bets on how long it would be before we get caught...so far the record high is 8 mins in the long-term parking lot.

User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

FLYiCRJ,
I totally feel for you. Every time I try to spot over at the IKEA I get chased away. I've had them take down the information from my DL as well as my license plate number. Nothing ever came of it but they are real ass holes. It's the world we live in.. I just keep trying and some times I luck out and other times I don't.

Good Luck!


User currently offlineBsmalls35 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

I used to spot at Newark for hours on end (always liked the view from the virgin atlantic cargo parking lot). With the tight security in place around Newark I've had to channel my love for spotting to spending countless hours here on A-net. Oh well, at least I found an alternative.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
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That's a pitty for you guys... SAD !!

Let's hope the situation improves soon.

FB.



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User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Sorry to hear all you guys in the states have a rough time spotting, you would think it would be in the interest of airports to create viewing parks, atleast they would then know where all the spotters are!

Regards,



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting FLYiCRJ (Thread starter):
Ive been photographing aircraft at EWR for 4 years now, unfortuantly none of my photos passed the A.net screening tests. However, every time I go to shoot pictures at EWR I get kicked out and warned. The other day I recieved a police report in the mail about my "suspicious activities". I go to the Ikea parking lot and get kicked out...go into their glass cafeteria (great view of 4L and 4R arrivals and departures) and get kicked out...I pull of on the bridge before 4L and 4R and get chased away...I pull into parking lots just before the 22 runways and get chased away.....I pull over on the turnpike and 5 squad cars pull up...now if i really need help or it was an emergency, I would be sitting their all night without anyone coming. I know they are on high alert with terrorism and homeland security, and I appreciate the fact that people are watching around the airports, but I am a 17 yr old aviation enthusiast, and when I go to the airport I have a camera in my hands..not a RPG or a anti-aircraft gun. So can any of you EWR spotters give me some good places to spot without running into trouble with law enforcement.

Go down to the Police Station and speak with the on-shift supervisor, bring down some of your photos to show them your passion of your hobby. Speak with your local congress-person, once again, explain the passion for your hobby.

You said that you are 17 years old, does your school have some sort of Photographers club? Perhaps you can have a teacher write a letter of reference for you?

Unfortunately, the general public is not familar with aircraft-watchers, so, the education of the general public is required.

If you visit the Police Station, tell them I am going to Ikea on xxx Date & at xxx time, I am driving xxxx Car, etc....

This is what I would do if I enjoyed doing something that was not against the law and was running into interference.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6702 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 7):

Unfortunately, the general public is not familar with aircraft-watchers, so, the education of the general public is required.

Should get this and see the "Cleared for Take off" bit. Lots of ORD action, from a few years ago admittedly, but with a pilot EXPLICITLY stating that people like to go to airports to watch the planes. Maybe people should be told....

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User currently offlineCV747 From Iceland, joined Jan 2000, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

MidnightMike is right.
I did the same in CDG last week-end. We went to the MP and asked them if we could take pictures of aircraft and where we were allowed and where not. Worked fine and we were left alone ever after. (BTW, Does not work in Italy!)


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting CV747 (Reply 9):
MidnightMike is right.
I did the same in CDG last week-end. We went to the MP and asked them if we could take pictures of aircraft and where we were allowed and where not. Worked fine and we were left alone ever after. (BTW, Does not work in Italy!)

I was with a buddy in Seattle sometime ago, and he wanted to take some photos in a secured place, I went up to the Security guard showed the guard my ID card and asked if it was ok to take some photos, worked like a charm....



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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 3):
FLYiCRJ,
I totally feel for you. Every time I try to spot over at the IKEA I get chased away. I've had them take down the information from my DL as well as my license plate number. Nothing ever came of it but they are real ass holes. It's the world we live in.. I just keep trying and some times I luck out and other times I don't.

Good Luck!

Welcome to "the list." I don't know if you've flown lately but if you're a spotter and have info taken you are often placed on the government "list." Meaning, you'll be stopped when boarding outside the US coming into the US. THat's been my experience though I was apparently put on "the list" because the last time I entered the UK the immigration officer didn't like the fact I answered her honestly. Very odd these times we live in.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 11):
Welcome to "the list." I don't know if you've flown lately but if you're a spotter and have info taken you are often placed on the government "list." Meaning, you'll be stopped when boarding outside the US coming into the US.

I have already been checked several times at different occasions by police and airport police in the US. Once a NWA flight was delayed by some minutes just because a woman didn't like my binoculars. And in Septemper last year I was called and questioned by Homeland Security at MSP prior to my departure to AMS after another lady had seen me using my binoculars on a LAX-MSP flight. I'm sure I have been put on certain "lists" but had no trouble at all when entering the US in April.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 12):
Once a NWA flight was delayed by some minutes just because a woman didn't like my binoculars.

I begin to realise now why people on the UA flight from Louisville, KY to O'hare was upset over my palmtop with GPS...

Anyway, shouldn't this thread be in the Aviation Hobby or Avaiation Photo section?



Read between the lines.
User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 7):
Go down to the Police Station and speak with the on-shift supervisor, bring down some of your photos to show them your passion of your hobby.

LOL- you're dealing with the Port Authority PD. They'll probably still tell you to get lost and don't ever come back. Elizabeth PD isn't any better. My brother-in-law and I have had numerous run-ins with both agencies....

The only "success" my brother-in-law has recently had is in the Virgin Atlantic Cargo area parking lot. (Oh yes, we've been busted there too a number of times.) Go when it's busy- i.e. cars parked in the VS lot, lots of coming and going of other vehicles. Park in a parking space, DO NOT get out of your car. Not good for photos, but if you lay low, you may be able to sit there awhile. Getting out of your car and standing is a guaranteed way to get kicked out- PAPD patrols the fence & VS Cargo has cameras monitoring their parking lot.

Otherwise, sorry to say it's futile. My only other suggestion is to find a place a short distance away from the immediate EWR perimeter and spot from there.



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 14):
LOL- you're dealing with the Port Authority PD. They'll probably still tell you to get lost and don't ever come back. Elizabeth PD isn't any better. My brother-in-law and I have had numerous run-ins with both agencies....

The only "success" my brother-in-law has recently had is in the Virgin Atlantic Cargo area parking lot. (Oh yes, we've been busted there too a number of times.) Go when it's busy- i.e. cars parked in the VS lot, lots of coming and going of other vehicles. Park in a parking space, DO NOT get out of your car. Not good for photos, but if you lay low, you may be able to sit there awhile. Getting out of your car and standing is a guaranteed way to get kicked out- PAPD patrols the fence & VS Cargo has cameras monitoring their parking lot.

Otherwise, sorry to say it's futile. My only other suggestion is to find a place a short distance away from the immediate EWR perimeter and spot from there.

I used to live in New York & worked out of JFK airport for about 5 years. Saying all that, it is worth trying, just like anybody else, the Port Authority are human. (sometimes)

The next thing is to contact your local congress-person, if you write a letter, they are probably going to tell you about Airport Security, when you get that letter, visit your local Congress-Person.

Once again, if it was a hobby of mine & somebody told me that I can not do it anymore, I would do all possible for the right to do so, rather than just giving up...



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Fortunately, here @ SFO, there is a park called BayShore park, right next to the airport......though the airport gestapo has put up a fence in certain parts of the taxiway (parallel to the 1's), it still not that bad.....and many people come to spot, etc...

the Millbrae police show up occasionally, but as long as one isn't doing anything illegal, they don't tend to bother anyone...



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7484 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Don't feel bad,I have been kicked out of ROC 3 times . Once the cop had his hand on his Glock like I was some kind of criminal . He stated that the signs say 'No Trespassing',I said that means on the other side of the fence. To which I was told to leave or you'll be arrested. You see cops don't like it when people know their rights and stand up for them . They like little pu$$y's who cower and do whatever they're told .
Last year I was sitting in my car and a cop pulled up and asked the usual questions. Whn I told him what I was doing I was given a look like I had 3 heads. Why on earth would someone want to watch planes ?

But that's okay,I found 2 new spots off airport property that are deserted during the weekends and are good for shots after 3 pm !
I even got 3 accepted !

[Edited 2005-08-03 17:37:27]


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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Lets see in MKE we have a spotters park at the end of the runway. DCA also has a spotters park more or less. But at EWR I have done photos from inside the terminal with noone approaching me.


Sean from MCO and MKE



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Welcome to my world FLYiCRJ

I've not spent any time spotting at EWR for 2 years, since I got kicked out of IKEA and the film confiscated from my camera.

I usually go out to LGA now, but even out there at Plane View Park, I've been interrogated by the cops.

Next time I go to EWR, I'm going to go to the police station and ask. I did that the first time I went there after I moved here and was given a good explanation about my right to spot aircraft from the parking lot.
The police station is right behind Signature, just in case you're not familiar with it!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Unfortunately it's the government, and they're all mentally retarded and immune to reason so no matter what you're screwed.

Well, the 9/11 terrorists and associates spent many years photographing landmarks and airports from all angles, often just as "picnickers" with full picnic gear, looking nothing more than tourists. Sad, but true.

So calling people retarded is a little strong. Over reacting, yes. If they question you, then run your ID, then they should let you keep on doing it.

But, sorry, being 17 is not proof you are harmless. So many bombers have been 17, so many murders committed by 17 year olds...



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Also many suicide bombers are younger than that. Trying to give their family honor. But then again the 9/11 hijackers were in their 20's-40's.


Sean from MCO and MKE



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User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Well, the 9/11 terrorists and associates spent many years photographing landmarks and airports from all angles, often just as "picnickers" with full picnic gear, looking nothing more than tourists. Sad, but true.

Source please. And not Tom Ridge's speech thank you, something a bit more tenable.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Well, the 9/11 terrorists and associates spent many years photographing landmarks and airports from all angles, often just as "picnickers" with full picnic gear, looking nothing more than tourists. Sad, but true.

That's a load of nonsense. They went to flight schools, used MS flight simulator, and went to strip clubs in vegas after their training in some middle eastern country


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 14):
LOL- you're dealing with the Port Authority PD.

The part that is confusing to me is that PA runs all 3 NYC airports. I've heard LGA and JFK are way more tolerable. Is this true? If yes, then WHY? What's up EWR's butt?


Edited to add:

If flying CO, has anyone had trouble spot/photo in Term C?

[Edited 2005-08-04 00:33:54]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
25 FLYiCRJ : You got that right 727Lover....when me and my friend spot at JFK...we are practically on the runways and taxiways without being bothered. In fact we
26 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : The PAPD are totally intolerant at EWR. Perhaps their post commander is really gung ho? Are they still patrolling the EWR perimeter with the S-76? Vi
27 Post contains images 727LOVER : If you don't mind, could you share the text of what you received? I'm very curious.
28 FLYiCRJ : Yes, everytime i go...i see that helicopter buzzing around the airport...when I listen on my scanner...its constantly talking to the tower. I would i
29 BigOrange : It's probably something to do with the fact that one of the 9/11 flights left from EWR. They probably got their a--es kicked for that, plus the fact
30 Mikephotos : They do perimeter runs around JFK daily also, for a while now. Mike
31 LTBEWR : Other factors as to the paranoia as to EWR is that is not only a major airport itself, but it is adjacent to: 1) a major seaport (Port Newark/Elizabet
32 BigOrange : Can anyone explain the advice given to me two years ago, that if I wanted to pursue the hobby without hassle, to go find a quiet side street in Elizab
33 Jetpixx : Do yourself a favor - take a ride over the JFK and ride the AirTrain to your heart's content. I rode around on this for six hours before my flight and
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