COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
With the ongoing merger between HP and US, could some of these possible mergers work?
CO+DL?
CO+AS?
AA+DL?
B6+F9?
YX+AI?
All of these combo's have simiar route structures, fleet commentality, and each possible airline would benefit from the mergers by gaining more cities to support their routes. I can't find any good matches for NW, or UA. Any Suggustions?
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2751 times:
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
B6 is too sure of themselves to merge with anyone, and I think they can afford to be. They keep adding aircraft and keeping the LF around 90% and keep pulling off a profit, even with the fuel costs. I don't see them doing anything other than on their own.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2733 times:
Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 3): B6 is too sure of themselves to merge with anyone, and I think they can afford to be. They keep adding aircraft and keeping the LF around 90% and keep pulling off a profit, even with the fuel costs. I don't see them doing anything other than on their own.
Ok, so I think FL and YX, would be ok... but they could do better. They both are focused on the same region (east and midwest-FL not so much)
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US+UA could work, they already codeshare so...
UA+CO-CO strong on east and Europe, while UA is strong on EAST, WEST (Kind of) and the PACIFIC for sure.
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
AirTran's code is FL. I think that the only one who can merge with AA would be UA since they have the common ORD hub and large ops in JFK and LGA. This would consolidate some routes and instead of competing, they could dominate. Of course, there would be the anti-trust thing. They have mostly Boeing fleets and the vast domestic presence of AA could boost feed the pacific dominance of UA. They are both the only ones who are allowed into LHR too!
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StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 4): US+UA could work, they already codeshare so...
Been there, already attempted, failed...luckily. Bad idea, all around.
Quoting Ramerinianair (Reply 5): I think that the only one who can merge with AA would be UA since they have the common ORD hub and large ops in JFK and LGA.
Not a chance. UA is not big in JFK and LGA, but AA is.
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Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10189 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
Quoting Ramerinianair (Reply 5): I think that the only one who can merge with AA would be UA since they have the common ORD hub and large ops in JFK and LGA. This would consolidate some routes and instead of competing, they could dominate. Of course, there would be the anti-trust thing.
Yeah -- a big anti-trust thing. You could say that again.
AA and UA's route network overlap (not so much in New York, but definitely Chicago, L.A., transcon) would pretty much guarantee that the merger would never get regulatory approval. These two companies -- which arguably have the most overlapping networks of any two major legacy carriers in the U.S. -- would never get off the ground for precisely the reason you state -- they would consolidate routes and dominate. AA and UA together would have about one third of the entire U.S. market. DOJ would never allow that.
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
There will be one big domestic full-service carrier after AA gobbles up NW, DL, and CO. Then a few national LCC's, the new US, WN, B6, Ted and then maybe a few regionals. UA will be the biggest US flag carrier overseas. However, it will dump most of it's domestic presence and concentrate on the major business centers and TED and Express.
1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2645 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 9): yes. have school year around so kids spend less time staying up late on their parents computers and posting redundant threads.
Liedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 9): yes. have school year around so kids spend less time staying up late on their parents computers and posting redundant threads.
Hey, I own my comp anyway, if u don't like the thread, don't relpy to it, or suggust to have it deleted. I am also not a kid, i'm a teenager with an intrest in the world of aviaton hoping to become a pilot.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 27 Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 12): i'm a teenager with an intrest in the world of aviaton hoping to become a pilot.
you want to be a pilot? then you'd better get busy suggesting lots of merger possibilities so you can be sure to have a job in a few years.
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Aggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
WN, FL, F9, B6 hehe would be intresting but will NEVER HAPPEN
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2542 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 13): you want to be a pilot? then you'd better get busy suggesting lots of merger possibilities so you can be sure to have a job in a few years.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
hey, honestly, i think it's great you know what you want to do. and i hope you stick to it. and i hope you're successful at it. and you get one hell of a dental plan. but never, ever, wish against yourself.
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Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2508 times:
Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 18):
Texas Int'l/Continental/People Express and Eastern, that was a GREAT combo. Wink
I forgot that NY Air, Provincetown-Boston, and the original Frontier was also in that tangled mess, Britt Airways might also be included, so many airlines, so little memory.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
Actually, this wouldn't be such a bad combination...just think, you'd have hubs in Atlanta, Cincinnati, Houston, Newark, and Salt Lake City, (presumably Cleveland would be cut) and assuming the DC-9 variants got gutted, which isn't all that unlikely, you'd have an all-Boeing operator. The only issue might be that huge smattering of focus cities that Delta has, namely Boston, Fort Lauderdale, New York (both Kennedy and LaGuardia) Orlando, Tampa, and Washington, of which some (the New York operations for starters) would be gone.
Alaska Airlines is, put simply, nothing short of a mess right now. With their labor strife among their current employees, to say nothing of their 472 ramp service and stores agents at Seattle who are currently looking for another job, I'm not sure who would want to touch them. Operationally, however, this would be a relatively good fit, with hubs in Cleveland, Houston, Newark, and Seattle, and in Alaska's case, a nearly all-Boeing fleet, although the 737-200 and 737-400 would be new 737-variants in Continental's fleet, so those might go. In all likelyhood, the MD-80's Alaska has would be gone.
Would be unlikely to get past the Department of Justice. For one, the combined carrier would be the largest slotholder at LaGuardia, in addition to likely being the largest carrier at Kennedy as well, although in neither case do they share a significant number of destinations (obviously, there is some overlap). Looking beyond the Big Apple, however, this could be a good fit. DL's MD-90's are an oddball, and likely would be gone, and the MD-88's could see the same fate. Likewise, Delta's 737-200's and 737-300's would likely be jettisoned, along with American's Airbuses. The other issue would be the regional fleets, with little synergy other than the CRJ-700, as American Eagle otherwise operates all-Embraer aircraft, whereas with the exception of Atlantic Southeast's ATR's (which would likely be spun into Executive Airlines d/b/a American Eagle), Atlantic Southeast and Comair operate all Bombardier aircraft. At this point, you have a pretty good fleet mix, plus hubs in Atlanta, Chicago (O'Hare), Cincinnati, Dallas-Fort Worth, Miami, St. Louis, Salt Lake City, and San Juan. St. Louis would likely be gone, however other than that, there aren't any other hubs that are obvious choices to pull down. The carrier would also be the dominant carrier in Boston, it should be worth noting.
This merger makes a bit of sense, and might actually be a GREAT idea, as it would give jetBlue an opportunity to right-size, and in some cases (Burbank comes to mind) right-perform some routes, and perhaps start to string together jetBlue's currently disjointed network, using Denver and New York as the hubs.
This happens to be one I don't like, simply because Midwest simply is saddled with too many problems and too many poor business decisions to survive. The 328Jet is an absolute disaster economically, and additionally, Midwest's business plan simply involves chasing after a segment of the market that is increasingly getting smaller. Furthermore, Midwest outsourcing their Milwaukee ramp to Skyway (OK, Skyway is wholly-owned by Midwest, but with much lower pay) will likely turn into a decision that will saddle them in this market for any passenger who isn't originating or terminating in Milwaukee. airTran pursuing this would be nothing short of a disaster.
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FlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Take it from someone who has been there and done that. MERGERS, while they may look good on a route map are awful. Different company cultures, employees, seniority, and anything else that is negative.
Oh, the days of Florida Express and the BAC 1-11. Merger with Braniff II. However, that merger was great for us. The Braniff folks were awesome. But in the end. Bankruptcy, of course the owner at the time went to jail and then NBC but him on The Restaurant and we all got to see Rocco get nailed by this slim on national TV.
ARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
West Coast, Bonanza, Pacific = Air West + Howard Hughes = Hughes Airwest
Southern + North Central = Republic
Republic purchases Hughes Airwest
Northwest purchases Republic
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
1MILLIONFLYER..post 13
I didn't know Piedmont went Bankrupt. I thought US AIR bought them and merged them into their system. Are you sure about that?
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25 Dutchjet: At this point in time, the major US carriers have enough of their own problems to consider and no airline is in the position to take on the problems a
26 Srbmod: The equation in a more understandable layout: USAir + Piedmont + PSA = US Airways filing for CH 11 twice in nearly as many years.
27 SHUPirate1: Oh, heaven forbid...now New York to Fort Lauderdale will go back to $1000 for a one way ticket...in all likelyhood, at least, that will include a fou
28 Mariner: Might be good for JetBlue. It would do jacksh*t for Frontier, except destroy a perfectly good airline. cheers mariner
29 PlanesNTrains: [Quoting COERJ145 (Thread starter): CO+DL[/quote] Probably the most logical combo of the legacies. [Quoting COERJ145 (Thread starter): AA+DL?[/quote]
30 SHUPirate1: I don't believe I mentioned putting any 747's between Denver and New York-Kennedy anywhere in my comments, and I obviously don't like that idea.
31 PlanesNTrains: You conveniently ignored the smiley when quoting me - obviously, it was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the 80's - sorry if I implied something differ
32 FlyPIJets: I have to admit that I rather enjoy reading the threads on the possibilities for the future of airlines. Barring the rather heated defending of positi
33 Dartland: Any airline merging with a non-airline is even a worse idea than an airline merging with another airline -- and I mean no ill-will by that, just pure
34 FlyPIJets: That maybe true, but, in the example of GE, they have been successful with RCA which gives them a business line as varied as making aircraft engines
35 Wdlf1: How about FL and AS buy 51% of UA take control and trim the fat go lowfare with the whole thing move the hdq to FL. Now that sounds like a winner!!!
36 STT757: CO+UAL with CO running the show, Corporate moving to Houston and Gordon Bethune arranging the financing (Boeing, GE etc..). http://archives.california
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