DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 47 Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5056 times:
Just out of interest, I wonder how some of DL's newer routes are doing load-wise.
CDG-MAA loads seems to have gotten better, but a confirmation would be good.
ATL-ISO also seems to be doing good, unlike Hickory, which seems to be a disaster, but of course, this is based on newspaper info.
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY, BDL-RSW and BDL-CMH.
And finally, is ATL-EZE doing better than the last time it was around?
Any info appreciated.
All of these are 3 different types of routes. BDL-CMH isn't too good, but I believe this route was started at the request of CMH after HP closed up shop along with several other routes. Of course DL didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart.
BDL-RSW was started by DL based on demand, but not enough to warrant a Song flight, yet.
Some of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these. Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it. Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
So Wexford finally got Shuttle America certified for EMB-170 ops? Thank god, I thought they could never manage that. And btw, we already know about the first route, SLC-MZT (pending government approval, but I don't see why they shouldn't get it).
So, it can be expected that SLC will be the base to at least a part of the E70 fleet.
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1): ome of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these.
Ever since the announcement of MSY-LIT; nothing doesn't really surprise me anymore .
Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1): Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it
Interesting. I'll speculate a bit: MGM, JAN, XNA(Wal-Mart employees need a Florida vacation, too ).
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4620 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
Id be really curous to see BDL-LAX....i looked at all the flights for the 1st week a few weeks ago pretending to make a reservation ( silver medallion shows most seats except those blocked out) I know its not a perfect guide, but not bad at the same time.... but anyways i think the highest day had like 15 ppl and there were a few flights in the first week that looked like they had no one booked. Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4783 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4626 times:
Well, CDG-MAA has been picking up all summer and now has decent loads in the back although J class is still difficult.
JFK-TXL is probably one of the more successful international routes introduced recently, exceeding expectations with load factors of 85-90% in the first two months. According to the Berlin press, even Business Class has been performing surprisingly well...
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4443 times:
Does anyone know why the Late night arrival/early morning depature flight from CVG-ABE got canned recently? I didn't even notice it had been canned until I went to book it this morning. Also it seems as if we gained an ATL flight. Interesting.
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4382 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10): Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.
Let's put if this way, LAX-JFK has been running 87% load factors (approx) For this week in question, BDL has a about 10 less passegers booked than the JFK flights for the same time/date. These transcons don't firm up until less than a week out.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4361 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14): The route is doing well, though I've been hearing we will see 170s on the route this fall. No idea if it compliment or replace mainline, but it will probably mean two daily flights.
I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6721 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4335 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18): I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 Big grin . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.
I hope that is the case too.. I wonder how much of that traffic is O&D and how much is connecting? It would be cool (but probably highly unprobable) if DL changed it so that it was 1x daily E70 to SLC and 1x daily 738 to LAX.. only because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU.. but, of course and always, I could be wrong..
I've been keeping an eye on it via Delta's internal travelnet due to my own travel plans there for next week. In July, which according to my travel guidebook (Lonely Planet) is a huge travel month for Buenos Aires, the planes were often full. August is traditionally a slow month, given it is still winter down there, and they look to be running with load factors of about 60% M-W, and closer to 80% Th-Su. My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3405 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
Is there any chance PVD has a prayer of getting some more DL service? It seems like every other town with a runway is getting some sort of point to point service on DL these days. I'm afraid to check thier schedules on 8/13 in fear of just being disappointed (again) by DL...
Jkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19): because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU
The O/D on the SLC-RDU route is actually pretty strong but the majority of the traffic connects to several cities beyond SLC. I wouldn't say passengers continue to LAX more than any other city. In fact, of all the cities pax connect to off that flight, SFO seems to have the most day in day out (at least recently). Also, passengers have many more options to connect out of SLC rather than LAX. N/S RDU-LAX isn't going to happen any time soon. Not on DL anyways. One of the main purposes of the RDU-SLC route was to allow passengers one stop connections to cities out west that you can't get to from ATL or CVG N/S. In my opinion, the route has proven to be very successful load wise and makes traveling much more convenient for passengers going to/from RDU to fly to cities out west as well as Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4003 times:
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Quoting Jrlander (Reply 20): My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.
Nowadays we have some changes on GIG. First of all, all domestic flights to RIO nowadays are operated thru GIG expect for the shuttle service SDU-CGH. All int'l non stop flights are doing very good yields. Also, DL has published that 25% of all pax nowadays using GRU-ATL are from Rio de Janeiro, which will reflect a 50% load factor for the single GIG-ATL. A strong marketing campaign will be started on Rio on the next days. I expect initial loads of 60 to 70% for GIG-ATL.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !