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Development/loads On Some Of DL's Newer Routes  
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Just out of interest, I wonder how some of DL's newer routes are doing load-wise.
CDG-MAA loads seems to have gotten better, but a confirmation would be good.
ATL-ISO also seems to be doing good, unlike Hickory, which seems to be a disaster, but of course, this is based on newspaper info.
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY, BDL-RSW and BDL-CMH.
And finally, is ATL-EZE doing better than the last time it was around?
Any info appreciated.

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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
CDG-MAA loads seems to have gotten better, but a confirmation would be good.

Well the loads have been 100% over the last week, but you can attribute that to BOM closing.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY, BDL-RSW and BDL-CMH

All of these are 3 different types of routes. BDL-CMH isn't too good, but I believe this route was started at the request of CMH after HP closed up shop along with several other routes. Of course DL didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart.
BDL-RSW was started by DL based on demand, but not enough to warrant a Song flight, yet.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
I wonder how some of DL's newer routes are doing load-wise

Some of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these. Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it. Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01

Any routes loaded yet? Are they to be based out of CMH or SLC?

Quoting DAL767400ER (Thread starter):
Also, how are the new p2p routes developing, most notably RDU-MSY,

I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also.. and what the likelyhood of the RSW flight?



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Any routes loaded yet? Are they to be based out of CMH or SLC?

Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13. They will be operated by S5.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 3):
Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13.

8/13? What airline makes announcements on a Saturday?



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 3):
Sorry can't provide any specifics until 08/13. They will be operated by S5

Their base of operation is a secret? good Lawd!



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Well the loads have been 100% over the last week, but you can attribute that to BOM closing.

Since when did DL close BOM? IIRC when DL announced service to MAA, it was not to be in lieu of BOM but rather in addition to it.



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User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Tin Pusher -
the BOM airport was closed for awhile due to EXTREME monsoon rains completely flooding the airport and everything else in the city. DL still flies there.

how's EZE doing? anybody know?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Also the E70 is up and ready to go 09/01.

So Wexford finally got Shuttle America certified for EMB-170 ops? Thank god, I thought they could never manage that. And btw, we already know about the first route, SLC-MZT (pending government approval, but I don't see why they shouldn't get it).
So, it can be expected that SLC will be the base to at least a part of the E70 fleet.

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
ome of the routes DL is about to announce will make you wonder even more than these.

Ever since the announcement of MSY-LIT; nothing doesn't really surprise me anymore  Wink .

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 1):
Some cities who never thought they would have service to Florida are about to get it

Interesting. I'll speculate a bit: MGM, JAN, XNA(Wal-Mart employees need a Florida vacation, too Big grin ).


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
8/13? What airline makes announcements on a Saturday?

Its load date of flights. Press Releases will likely come either Thurs/Fri prior or Mon/Tues after.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
And btw, we already know about the first route, SLC-MZT (pending government approval, but I don't see why they shouldn't get it).

I guess that could be the first route when the airline begins flying on 09/01.  Smile



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Id be really curous to see BDL-LAX....i looked at all the flights for the 1st week a few weeks ago pretending to make a reservation ( silver medallion shows most seats except those blocked out) I know its not a perfect guide, but not bad at the same time.... but anyways i think the highest day had like 15 ppl and there were a few flights in the first week that looked like they had no one booked. Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.


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User currently offlineDominicl316 From US Virgin Islands, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

How is the Wednesday/Saturday ATL-STX (St. Croix, USVI) service doing since that was started in March?

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4973 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4887 times:
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Well, CDG-MAA has been picking up all summer and now has decent loads in the back although J class is still difficult.

JFK-TXL is probably one of the more successful international routes introduced recently, exceeding expectations with load factors of 85-90% in the first two months. According to the Berlin press, even Business Class has been performing surprisingly well...


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also

SLC-RDU is oversold almost every day.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 13):
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I would like to know how RDU-MSY/SLC are doing also

SLC-RDU is oversold almost every day.

The route is doing well, though I've been hearing we will see 170s on the route this fall. No idea if it compliment or replace mainline, but it will probably mean two daily flights.

[Edited 2005-08-04 06:32:40]


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

Has anybody in the know heard how the SLC-FAI flight is doing?


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Does anyone know why the Late night arrival/early morning depature flight from CVG-ABE got canned recently? I didn't even notice it had been canned until I went to book it this morning. Also it seems as if we gained an ATL flight. Interesting.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Ill be very suprised if any flight in the first week has over 100 paying pax.

Let's put if this way, LAX-JFK has been running 87% load factors (approx) For this week in question, BDL has a about 10 less passegers booked than the JFK flights for the same time/date. These transcons don't firm up until less than a week out.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
The route is doing well, though I've been hearing we will see 170s on the route this fall. No idea if it compliment or replace mainline, but it will probably mean two daily flights.

I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 Big grin . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
I can't wait for the first redeye from SLC on a E70 Big grin . If loads (and yields) on SLC-RDU are really that good, I'd expect that we'd see an E70 flight in addition to the 738, as going from one 738 to two E70s would mean a reduction of 12 seats.

I hope that is the case too.. I wonder how much of that traffic is O&D and how much is connecting? It would be cool (but probably highly unprobable) if DL changed it so that it was 1x daily E70 to SLC and 1x daily 738 to LAX.. only because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU.. but, of course and always, I could be wrong..



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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 7):
how's EZE doing? anybody know?

I've been keeping an eye on it via Delta's internal travelnet due to my own travel plans there for next week. In July, which according to my travel guidebook (Lonely Planet) is a huge travel month for Buenos Aires, the planes were often full. August is traditionally a slow month, given it is still winter down there, and they look to be running with load factors of about 60% M-W, and closer to 80% Th-Su. My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Is there any chance PVD has a prayer of getting some more DL service? It seems like every other town with a runway is getting some sort of point to point service on DL these days. I'm afraid to check thier schedules on 8/13 in fear of just being disappointed (again) by DL...

User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
because I believe most of the traffic on the SLC flight is ongoing to LAX from RDU

The O/D on the SLC-RDU route is actually pretty strong but the majority of the traffic connects to several cities beyond SLC. I wouldn't say passengers continue to LAX more than any other city. In fact, of all the cities pax connect to off that flight, SFO seems to have the most day in day out (at least recently). Also, passengers have many more options to connect out of SLC rather than LAX. N/S RDU-LAX isn't going to happen any time soon. Not on DL anyways. One of the main purposes of the RDU-SLC route was to allow passengers one stop connections to cities out west that you can't get to from ATL or CVG N/S. In my opinion, the route has proven to be very successful load wise and makes traveling much more convenient for passengers going to/from RDU to fly to cities out west as well as Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
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Quoting Jrlander (Reply 20):
My own experience of flying to GIG on Delta before they eliminated service was in August, and those flights had lower load factors than these. They area also leaving with nearly 30 NRSA passengers, 2/3rd's of which are buddy pass passengers, which Delta makes a nice fare of around $260 without taxes.

Nowadays we have some changes on GIG. First of all, all domestic flights to RIO nowadays are operated thru GIG expect for the shuttle service SDU-CGH. All int'l non stop flights are doing very good yields. Also, DL has published that 25% of all pax nowadays using GRU-ATL are from Rio de Janeiro, which will reflect a 50% load factor for the single GIG-ATL. A strong marketing campaign will be started on Rio on the next days. I expect initial loads of 60 to 70% for GIG-ATL.

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
I'm afraid to check thier schedules on 8/13 in fear of just being disappointed (again) by DL...

I wouldn't look if I were you



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25 PPVRA : DL applied with the Argentine govt. for a second flight, this time NYC-EZE. PPVRA
26 PVD757 : Sadly, I will anyway to see what every other city will be getting...
27 B4real : OOoooh.. Interesting. JFK-EZE ? Would this be a winter [northern hemisphere] only flight? I think DL couldn't do this during North summer with a 763-
28 DeltaMIA : It would be year round. However CO also applied for the open slots to Argentina with daily service from EWR via IAH. It is very likely CO will be awa
29 B4real : DeltaMIA: What's your opinion on the a/c availability? Would DL wish to retain the ATL-EZE? Having this type of route keeps the a/c there all day idle
30 DeltaMIA : Aircraft availability for international markets is fine. The only way to make money to South America is to have this type of schedule. If not you are
31 Panamair : DL is converting 4 domestically-configured 763ERs to BizElite/international flying next year (and another 4 in 2007) to cover the existing and antici
32 Cltguy : How are the CLT-LGA and CLT-JFK flights doing?
33 Thelowfarehero : anyone know how the BUR-ATL and BUR-SLC loads are doing?
34 MD90fan : Didnt Song apply for that route?
35 Jkudall : BUR is doing well. DL added a fourth CRJ flight to SLC a couple months ago.
36 LGAtoIND : I was almost sure I saw a E70 in FLL yesterday in DL Connection colors. Anybody know why it would be there?
37 FlyPNS1 : Delivery flight. All E70's make a stop in FLL on their way to being delivered to their owner.
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