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El Al Adds Another 767-300 To Fleet  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

From May 2006 El Al will operate a second 767-300. The deal was closed this week. El Al has been searching for two widebodies to lease for a while now. It was even looking into leasing an Airbus if available.
This a/c will be the second of two a/c that are suppose to join the fleet in the coming year. El Al had also closed a deal on leasing a 737 that is scheduled to join in November. The 737 will get a registartion 4X-EKO.

Other news is that Israir plans to operate a direct charter flight to BKK from TLV from Spring 2006. They plan to operate the flight on Saturdays.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

Hopefully they can get another aircraft soon. MIA is supposed to start operating non-stop in November pending aircraft availability.


a.
User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

Where is the 767 coming from?

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

Amirs

Do you know the load factor for Israir flights to JFK ?
I heard maybe the next summer they will serve JFK with a 747.
Some informations ? Many thanks.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Interesting - good to see EL AL expanding.

Any idea of where the 763ER is coming from?

And, which type of 737NG is being added to the fleet, EL AL currently has the 73G and 738 in its fleet. And, the source of this aircraft?


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9245 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
I heard maybe the next summer they will serve JFK with a 747.
Some informations ? Many thanks.

JFK is already served by many 747's!
Today for example: (3rd)
TLV-JFK - LY001 - 772
TLV-JFK - LY033 - 744
TLV-JFK - LY007 - 744
TLV-JFK - LY011 - 744

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Rob,

FCKC was referring to Israir.  yes 

Rob K


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

RobK

Yes you are right , i was referring to Israir.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9068 times:

Yes you are right , i was referring to Israir.

Do they have 747s?


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 8):
Do they have 747s?

Israir does not have any 747's, the only widebody they currnetly have is one 767-300.


User currently offlineAlonk From Israel, joined May 2001, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8838 times:

hey guys!
some inside info~
Israir is planning on getting two widebody aircraft to expand the route to new york and make it a normal route and not a season-line..
what i know is that they are looking into Airbus either A330 or A340..
currently the route to JFK is jam packed and theyre doing suprisingly well compared to the competitors (LY and CO).
as for El Al planes-The 763Er will come from Atlanta Air Icelandic,i have no info on the new 73X that is scheduled to arrive..
happy flying  Smile


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

currently the route to JFK is jam packed and theyre doing suprisingly well compared to the competitors (LY and CO).

What do you mean? I find it hard to believe that they are doing better than LY and CO...

On a side note, anybody know what happened to the two Israir pilots who were involved with the near collision at JFK?


User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8726 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
On a side note, anybody know what happened to the two Israir pilots who were involved with the near collision at JFK?

What near collision?


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Is ISrair state owned? If it is, it will be a cold day in hell before they choose Airbus over Boeing, what with the money the US gov gives Israel every year. Please note I'm not try to start an forum war here, political or A vs B.  whiteflag 

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Israir is privately held. You should see the women that work in their headquarters!

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 13):
Is ISrair state owned? If it is, it will be a cold day in hell before they choose Airbus over Boeing, what with the money the US gov gives Israel every year. Please note I'm not try to start an forum war here, political or A vs B.

YOWza

Even if you dont want to start a war, you probably will.

Isair is a private company, and if they were to acquire an A330/340, it will probably be via a lease and it will probably be a second hand aircraft, so its very unlikely that the US would make a fuss over the the acquisition of an Airbus aircraft.

Its well known that there was US govt interference when EL AL was to purchase the A330 - the entire matter probably got blown out of proportion by the media in general and even more so here at a.net because, in principal, I think most enthusiasts hate the idea of political interference and we want airlines to be able to purchase the aircraft that they really want without other considerations. In the real world, governments and politicians do stick their noses into things like aircraft orders because lots of money and jobs are involved - it happens much more than we like. Over the years, Boeing, Airbus, the US govt and the EU govts have all done things that they probably should not have done when aircraft orders were at stake.....I guess we just have to accept it as part of the game.


User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8674 times:

Very soon Israir's charter flights to JFK will become scheduled. From there you will see Arkia joining in. In addition to the 737NG being acquired by ELAL there is going to be one more leased for a total of 2. I am a bit surprised noone has mentioned Easyjets plans of starting intl lowcost service to europe via tel aviv.

[Edited 2005-08-05 00:45:36]

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

Israir is full because they offer the cheapest fares compared to El Al and CO. I had not heard that Easyjet will fly to TLV. That would be great. And as to a colision at JFK also I had not heard.

If Israir lease a plane from Airbus it may be OK but buying is another matter. They already operate the ATR on domestic flights. So do Arkia.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

And as to a colision at JFK also I had not heard.

It's been a fairly big news item here in NY. There have been several stories in the past few weeks about the danger of runway incursions.

Here is the thread from the near collision:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2230255/

Basically, around 2 AM on a night of rain and fog, an Israir 767 missed the taxiway turn and instead turned on to the active runway. An empty DC-8 was taking off at the time. Thank god the co-pilot had decided to apply full power because of the fog and that the plane was ferrying back empty to it's base, so it was able to lift off and cleared the Israir 767 by about 100 feet!!!


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

It seems as they are replacing the "old" Tower Air on this market , with cheap prices.Hope their reliability and security are better !!!!!!!

The near collision occured at JFK.

Some extracts out of the Flight Int'l article.

-The Kennedy incident involving an ABX Air DC8 freighter and an Israir 767-300ER

-In heavy rain which degraded the effectiveness of the airport surface detector system...........

-At about 01:40LT the 767 with 12 crew and 250 passengers on board , was cleared to taxi to runway 22R via taxiway H , turning left on to B.But the 767 missed the left turn and crossed 22R without clearance.Meanwhile the DC8 had been cleared to take off on 22R , but the pilot did not see the 767 until they had already passed decision speed and had to continue , roitating vigorously to improve the angle of climb.

-ABX Air says the crew estimated it missed the 767's fuselage by about 14m (45ft).

-The ABX captain said the 767 was cleared only because the DC8 was empty and the co pilot -the pilot flying- had decided to use full power at take off because of the weather.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 19):
it missed the 767's fuselage by about 14m (45ft).

Holly shit!!!!! scared   scared 

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
on Saturdays.

don't they close the airports on Saturday for Shabbat???or it's just ElAl that doesn't fly????

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

don't they close the airports on Saturday for Shabbat???or it's just ElAl that doesn't fly????

It's just El Al. European Airlines and Continental fly on Friday/Saturday. And El Al is supposedly going to start flying on Shabbat.


User currently offlineTWPHIL From France, joined May 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

i wonder when EL AL will be finally free to choose the real type of aircraft she needs without the political size to consider..For the next generation of aircraft coming the choice between the 787 or 747AV and the A350/ A380 will be once again another dilema..Now that EL AL is privatized she shoud get more independance on that matter . LY with one or two A380 ..Why not?.Well that would be a perfect fit on the TLV/JFK and on the TLV /CDG leg also.
Shabbat Chalom EL AL .


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting Elal106 (Reply 16):
I am a bit surprised noone has mentioned Easyjets plans of starting intl lowcost service to europe via tel aviv.

I think the reason no one mentioned it was because it is far from being final.
If you are referring to the article that was in the paper yesterday, all it was saying was that some low cost european airlines MIGHT start service to TLV soon. I even think the article stated that there was a good chance AIR Berlin might be the first.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

I wrote here already a monath ago that Israir may lease additional wide-body airliner:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2211566

Hope to see Israir next summer operating long-distance flights to both BKK & JFK with 2-3 wide body jets

LY



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
25 Amirs : DOUBT IT
26 RJpieces : i wonder when EL AL will be finally free to choose the real type of aircraft she needs without the political size to consider..For the next generation
27 Semsem : I find the seats on A 300, A330 and A340 very uncomfortable; narrow. Thanks for the info on the near collision. Reminds me of the actual KLM / Pan Am
28 Amirs : Let me correct myself .... They will start flying in the Fall .... October 14 is the scheduled first charter flight. ISR971 WILL DEPART FOR BKK AT 10
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