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User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 451 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10312 times:

Ok I know there is a B747 full load of topics about the AF crash/accident/incident but I think we should call every media outlet around the world and tell them that we(www.airliners.net) exist. Why you ask, well the answer is simple: SO THE IDIOTS WILL GET THEIR NEWS CORRECT FIRST TIME ROUND! I'm sorry if that offends anybody but it's true that the media got most of their stories wrong because they didn't do their research, if they knew we were here then all they have to do is come here and within minutes they have all their info.
Remember when the first flight of the A380 took place and all the mistakes the media made.

Grimey

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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10273 times:

It won't help, they are hopeless Big grin


Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10269 times:

To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.

User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10236 times:

You also have to remember that correct news, doesn't necessarily sell newspapers etc..... The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

Nice thought though......


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10219 times:

If they all got their news from here, they would have been horrified to hear all the passengers were reduced to burning debris because nobody could have survived that.

User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10209 times:

Quoting Grimey (Thread starter):
SO THE IDIOTS WILL GET THEIR NEWS CORRECT FIRST TIME ROUND!

I will give you a pass because you live in Europe... and you still have a somewhat respectable press.

Here in the US of A FACTS DON'T MATTER TO THE MEDIA!!! Did you notice in the AF thread how quickly our American "journalists" threw out the T-word (yes, that's right, terrorism) even though this was clearly an aviation accident.

Unless it has to do with Jennifer Annison, Bradd Pit, or abducted children of the wealthy, the US media would rather trump sensationalism and speculation to sell ad space than to actually spend a few minutes to check their facts.


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10199 times:

B744F -
For once, I have to agree with you. I thought the crash appeared unsurvivable and held my skepticism until I heard the reports of all souls safe on the 11 PM news.


redngold



Up, up and away!
User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 451 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10185 times:

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 2):
To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.

Ok I have to agree with that I found the BBC much better then the rest.

Grimey


User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10175 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 5):
Here in the US of A FACTS DON'T MATTER TO THE MEDIA!!! Did you notice in the AF thread how quickly our American "journalists" threw out the T-word (yes, that's right, terrorism) even though this was clearly an aviation accident.

The Canadian journalists questioned this at the press conference today. Soon all car accidents will be the cause of terrorists aswell!!


User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10165 times:

The problem was that there was no timeline. If you happened to see the burnt out cabin only before reading any stories, you could be forgiven for the mistake. Thankfully it was some minutes before the cabin went up.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10140 times:

You need to get a life, the media gets the story on air as soon as possible. No one cares if they mess a little something up. If they call the A340 a 737 or if they say that a plane only uses brakes to stop or if they say the damn thing came from the moon it doesn't matter. They were able to get the story out fast and for the most part got the point across. Do you think anyone cares that this was an A340-300? NO!
I also find it funny that you think that the media needs to come here for expert information. Do you think that you are an expert?!?!?! I can assure you that if any of the networks want an expert they can make a phone call and have someone on air that will know much more than what you can provide. A simple call to Airbus would have someone on camera within an hour, the same can be said for any other company....

Give me a break......



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10126 times:

Um, honestly I don't find the information here about incidents like this any more informative.

Nobody here really has ANY idea what happened.

N


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6803 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10119 times:

While you're at it, tell Hollywood too! I'm tired of watching horrendous depictions of anything aviation related and the botching of simple facts.

Since when does anyone rely on the news anyhow?  Smile


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10098 times:

On Sunday, a Fox News TV presenter kept referring to England as "London." He'd say stuff like, "Police have arrested a man in Manchester in northern London." He did this crap for half an hour. I finally called the Fox News newsroom and told them about it. I said, "Your on-air news guy needs a geography lesson," and explained why. I could hear the presenter speaking in the background. The woman on the phone paused to listen to him and he did twice again. Within a couple of minutes, the presenter started using the term "England" correctly...each time with emphasis.

Mark


User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 451 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10086 times:

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
Do you think that you are an expert?!?!?!

No I don't, but there are people on this website that are.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 10):
A simple call to Airbus would have someone on camera within an hour, the same can be said for any other company....

yeh while they answer to the other news stations around the world. I just made a suggestion that the media should look here or other sites for information, I found out the reg number of that plane before Sky News could confirm it was and A340. As I mentioned in the tread starter; the media got things wrong on the first flight of the A380.

Grimey


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10064 times:

I burst out laughing when cnn were talking to one person who had heard from a pax on the Plane

sorta went

"I heard from her, she was in first class"

"So she wasat the back of the plane then"

"Yea"

First class????? Since when has that EVER EVER EVER been at the back of a commercial airliner these days


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17036 posts, RR: 67
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10040 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 15):
burst out laughing when cnn were talking to one person who had heard from a pax on the Plane

sorta went

"I heard from her, she was in first class"

"So she wasat the back of the plane then"

"Yea"

First class????? Since when has that EVER EVER EVER been at the back of a commercial airliner these days

Obviously looking for sensationalism since the rear was on fire first. Also I'm pretty sure this 343 had no First at all.

[Edited 2005-08-03 23:15:56]


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10026 times:

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 9):
The problem was that there was no timeline. If you happened to see the burnt out cabin only before reading any stories, you could be forgiven for the mistake. Thankfully it was some minutes before the cabin went up.

Surely common sense would prevail. If it was in small peices in the middle of a random field, then I guess you would consider it a possible act of terrorism. BUT the plane was in a ravine at the edge of the airport boundary.

Most fires on aircraft are caused by malfunction of parts rather than the detonation of an incendary device.

Do either of these look like bombs?


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9996 times:

KSTP-TV from Minneapolis still shows a certain piece of stock footage of MSP. It shows a bunch of NW 727's and a couple of DC10-40's. Then a Vanguard 732 rolls by in the background.

Ummm... You'd think they could get someone out there to film some newer footage on a slow news day.

Mark


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8239 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9989 times:

Screw the media, they seem to make a point of grabbing the first yokel idiot for an opinion, anyway. If they wanna be wrong they can be wrong.


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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9981 times:

So slider, when someone is watching a movie and they show the outside of a 727 and the inside of a widebody it ruins the movie for you? Again you need to get a life, 99.99% of people don't care.... No one goes to the movies to see if the information on the aircraft used is correct...


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User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9917 times:

Not every news organization is that sloppy with their reporting.

ABCNews, for example, has retained retired Alaska Airlines Captain John Nance, who lives here in the Seattle area, as their aviation expert. As an ex 737 and MD80 driver, he has lived aviation for more years than most of us have been around. He described in quite some detail the dangers involved in landing in extreme t-storm conditions (shear, water on runways, etc) and the dangers involved in doing so. He never speculated ONCE about what happened, he stated that it will be interesting to see what the pilots have to say and the information from the CVR/FDR will reveal to come to a real conclusion about what happened.

He also went on to compliment the Air France crew on an excellent job of getting everyone out without a fatality. It is rare to have an accident of this magnitude and not have fatalities, and it was through the efforts of the Air France crew and their procedures that they got everyone out and safely away from the aircraft.

I felt his comments were right on and that ABCNews did a very forthright job of reporting what happened, getting comments from people on board and from witnesses to the accident, as well as their aviation specialist providing the detail of the relative issues involved in landing in such conditions, and reassuring the public that one solid reason why the people survived was that the crew did their jobs in getting everyone out, and apparently, the passengers also knew what to do. It just reminds me of every flight I've ever taken, where the flight attendant gives the safety demonstration that noone pays attention to?

Just so you know, I do a safety check every time I board an aircraft: Where the two exits are, how many seatbacks from the front, how many seatbacks from the rear. I write it on a card and put it in my pocket. I also carry air tight safety goggles and a dusk mask. In a smoke filled cabin, the goggles let me see, the dusk mask buy me an extra minute or so to get out of the aircraft. You may think its overkill, but hey, I've been a couple of close calls, so forgive me if I'm a little bit overboard on my thinking about my personal safety.

Let's just hope that we don't have another "incident" anytime soon.

baw716



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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1834 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9887 times:

Quoting Aussieindc (Reply 3):
You also have to remember that correct news, doesn't necessarily sell newspapers etc..... The media will always make certain aspects up to grab attention to their reports over anyone elses.

I agree with you completly. I think people would be much more interested if 747 carrying 600 people crashed, rather than a CRJ  Smile. The media really does have to do their homework, regarding many different topics.


User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9877 times:

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 21):
Let's just hope that we don't have another "incident" anytime soon.

Its the summer holiday season, and invariably there always seems to be several incidents at this time of year.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12515 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days ago) and read 9856 times:
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Quoting Planesailing (Reply 2):
To its credit, the BBC got an aviation expert from Flight International on. I have seem him many times when new airliners are launched or accidents happen. His name is David something if memory serves me correctly.

That's David Learmont. He used to be editor of Flight. I don't know if he still has that role, but yes, he's often on British TV when there's any aviation related news.



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25 Aussieindc : Was this in response to my comment? If so, I was talking about people thinking that there would have been fatalities, not about any bombs.... I'm sor
26 Planesailing : It was, as I believed you were replying to me about the questions of terrorist activities by the media. I presume you were replying to:
27 Aussieindc : Correct... Apologies for leaving it open to interpretation. lesson learnt...
28 Planesailing : No need! If it was not for myself an another person jumping in, the thread would have lined up nicely and made sense!!
29 Post contains images MissedApproach : I know what happened. The landing distance calculations don't take into account the extra mass of dirt & grime that all Air France planes carry!
30 Post contains images Mainliner : All I know is that I'm tired of hearing that every type of airliner is a "JumboJet" as we heard in LA yesterday from every news station. I'm actually
31 Trekster : That would not be the same John J Nance who writes books that im addicted to would it????? GREAT WRITER
32 MCOtoATL : It is pretty sad to see the mistakes that the emdi makes. But what's even sadder is that they may be making the same mistakes when covering the war in
33 Baw716 : Trekster, Yes, one and the same John Nance. He started writing books before he retired flying and now that he met the mandatory age a few years ago, h
34 Mikey711MN : In split-second reporting, as others have maintained, factual accuracy really isn't a priority unfortunately. And to that end, for a time the subject
35 TrappedInMKG : I DID tell the media. After their travesty of a 5:30 newscast, I emailed WWMT (Channel 3, Kalamazoo, MI) and told them that it was NOT a 737 with 200
36 Flyinround731 : The Ellington AFB fighter jets (forgotten squadron number) were deployed to Iraq last night. A World MD-11 was chartered from EFD to take them to thei
37 Thomasphoto60 : I was driving to a friend's place in St Paul when the news of the crash broke (or rather when the local yokel DJ's felt like mentioning it). Anyways,
38 Lowrider : This whole thread is based on the idea that anyone here would get it right immediately out of the gate. Shall we go back through history and count how
39 Ramme : The press coming here for information? With all the bashing going on if someone reports a little problem with an airline? Come on, give me a break!
40 HAWK21M : The Media should recruit persons covering Aviation related stories who are Familiar with Aviation or who have Experienced work in Aviation in the past
41 PDXtriple7 : I really loved when ABC said A "Jumbo" had crashed on the start of the 6pm news. I wish they could just try to get some obvious facts correct and get
42 ASFlyer : There's a lot of good information from respected people here but there is just as easily as much information from 14 year old airline enthusiasts her
43 DLKAPA : Like for example What the Hell is a LH 737 doing at YYZ!??
44 Post contains images Wukka : Hey Mel... do you now have a bet on crazy capitalization in addition to the question marks (or lack thereof)? Just wondering!
45 STLGph : i'm not here to flame or envoke flaming, i'm just here to give a behind the scenes aspect to some comments made. that's all. nothing i can personally
46 EZEIZA : Guys, let's give the media a break! yesterday they were not experts, but they did their info straight not too long after the accident happened. And it
47 FLAIRPORT : yes....but I took a journalism class and facts are the #1 priority, unless your the national enquirer. I agree that more channels should have aviatio
48 Ikramerica : This is not journalism, and it is lazy. If you rehash what comes over the wire without ever checking validity you open yourself up to manipulation an
49 Baw716 : Now, having said what I have said before, there is one other aspect of the media that must be addressed: from the airline side. Having had responsibil
50 Post contains images AY-MD11 : i heard from BBC World when the aviation expert David something? was telling us that A340 make it's first flight in 1994 (1991 would be correct) and h
51 BrightCedars : You ain't seen nothing yet! Last night on national French speaking television here in Belgium (RTBF to name the culprits), they started their first to
52 BEG2IAH : If they publish this kind of rubbish about aviation, God knows what they publish about things we can't have any way of knowing/checking. So it is a v
53 Backfire : The opening statement on this thread is the sort of arrogant tripe which gives A.net a bad name. There's as much speculation and misinformation on thi
54 Antares : Backfire, Would have to agree. I went through the main thread on this pretty close to the actual event, and it was just as full of hysterical crap as
55 Post contains images Eirjet : The media is there to inform. If they wish to get their story out first.. at least do it right. Letting the press know the website exists can do no h
56 Cricket : Reading some of the comments on this thread, I'm surprised that some people think that 'The Media' is always wrong. Heck, I'm in the 'Media' and seein
57 HAWK21M : As long as the Inputs are from a Journalist Familiar with the Aviation Field.Its ok. Unfortunately Currently that seems a minority. I personally woul
58 BCAL : Whilst in theory I would agree to inform the media that we exist and could perhaps be relied on for giving accurate information, in practice this woul
59 CV580Freak : I am sure it would be a simple matter for the media companies to have a database of 1,2 or 3 "experts" that could cover all possible disasters that th
60 ChrisNH : The media ARE hopeless. Virtually all of them would be flipping burgers or digging ditches if not for their work in the media. Sickening to listen ad
61 Backfire : This is not a shot at BCAL - I think his post makes a couple of good points - but he's illustrated just how easy it is for people to make basic error
62 Cloudy : What really sucks about the US mass media is that they tend to focus on only 1-3 stories at a time. Examples are - the OJ Simpson trial, the Michael J
63 GVBIG : You'd probably find, the a.net forums have more mistakes than the media...for example, if it turns out the crew were at fault (i.e. a mistake on landi
64 Cricket : The media should be flipping burgers???? Yeah, right! It seems that because somebody gets something wrong they should roll over and die. Can you hones
65 Post contains images BCAL : Actually, it was a reply under pressure as I posted it from my office and my lunch break had finished. I should have been concentrating on work issue
66 USAF336TFS : And how much different are they from the rest of the international Media? The fact is that Media, in general, are the "I-know-everything" and "There'
67 Cloudy : Well, if you read a lot of posts every day you can learn much more on websites like this then in the mainstream or even the trade press. But you need
68 BoeingPride800 : That is good idea. Wish we could find a way to do it. I mean it's annoying to hear that "a Lufthansa 737 crash landed @ YYZ".
69 Ckfred : Good reporters and analysts will tell you, based on various factors, what investigators will look into first as the cause of a crash, but not speculat
70 CrossChecked : You think THIS is the best place to come for factual information? The media wouldn't be able to find anything for trawling through the mundane, tireso
71 Theredbaron : If you believe the news/media 100% you are 100% foolish... my .02
72 Gipper913 : Cloudy, Your analysis of US mainstream media "MSM" in replies 62 and 67 is about as spot-on as any I have seen. As to the overall point of the thread.
73 BEG2IAH : Of course I don't, and I'm still trying to figure out where you hit that conclusion from my post. Nevertheless, I get information from the media. I d
74 Gg190 : The reporting of this incident has shattered what little trust I had left in the media. Particularly the American Media. They should have waited until
75 Jumppilot : "You think THIS is the best place to come for factual information? The media wouldn't be able to find anything for trawling through the mundane, tires
76 Alphascan : I don't remember which US news channel I was watching soon after the incident but they had a Canadian radio newswoman on who's only expertise was she
77 KarlB737 : As one who works in the media for the last 31 years I have learned this: Be Wrong but be First. The checking and confirmation of a story is not what i
78 Post contains images Iwok : So its true! Remember the thread about a week ago claiming that the first 380 had flown over to Canada. I also found one of the Yahoo news articles r
79 Captaintim : note in toronto, CTV did mention airliners.net along with liveatc.net and airsafety.net etc.. tim
80 HAWK21M : Mentioned against What. regds MEL
81 Cricket : And you believe that journalists have the time of day to do this? OK, so I do, but then again, this is a hobby.
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