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Woman Trys To Open Door On United Flight?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9654 posts, RR: 68
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11209 times:
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supposedly flight 1195 there was some sort of ruckus, any UA people have the story?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

considering you can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance, all it could have been was a "ruckus" anyway. no real danger, no?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10957 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
ou can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance

I know that and you know that. However, I'm willing to bet at least 80% of the people on that plane have no idea and probably some people got very disturbed by the fact that someone attempted to open the door.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

well my dad was in a helicopter over new york when a freaked out pax did open the emergency door. it fell off and hit a taxi on the roof. the copter landed safely, and the poor freaked out man was arrested. even then, the pax on the copter weren't in any danger unless they took off their belts.

but that was only at a few hundred feet after taking off and in an unpressurized cabin.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10926 times:

Do you know why she was trying to open the door. Scared of flying maybe.

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

I bet she got in a huff with a FA and said "That's it I'm getting off"  irked 

Seriously though, I was on a Loganair Saab 340 from Shetland to Edinburgh 5 years ago when a male passenger stood up grasping his chest and started grabbing for an over wing exit. We were near Orkney at the time at around 15k feet, some passengers grabbed him in panic then thought he was having a heart attack. The stewardess asked if a doctor was on the plane, as I was a first aider, (they teach you well in the Air Force), I got him in the back seat row, calmed him down and found out he was having an anxiety attack. We made an emergency diversion to Kirkwall in the Orkneys just in case, but that's another story.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

Maybe a Suicide attempt?

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):

I know that without Mechanical assistance you cannot open an a/c door in flight.

The B747 has hand operated doors but the B767 and DC-10 have electronic operated doors. If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
Maybe a Suicide attempt?

Wonder why would she would want to take the whole flight down too. If you want to kill yourself don't do it and if you do don't other with you.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 7):

Well, there have been pilots that have taken a whole B767 down to commit suicide.

I think it was an Egypt Air or El Al B767 over Atlantic.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

Every now and again I hear these stories of people trying to open the doors, and it's often because they are seriously too stupid and think that it is a bathroom.


Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10753 times:

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 9):

haha,

Come on, how many people think a door with a window showing the clouds go by is a Bathroom?

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8):
I think it was an Egypt Air or El Al B767 over Atlantic.

It was an Egyptair 767 a few years ago, not El Al.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

Any link.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

Bi Polar party of one please ?

Write a letter if you don't like the service. Don't just leave.  Smile

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 13):
Write a letter if you don't like the service. Don't just leave

 rotfl 

[Edited 2005-08-04 13:43:05]


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User currently offlineFlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

Here's the story from MSNBC:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8820856


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?

No, as far as I know, they are still "plug" type doors.


User currently offlineViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9634 times:

CNN reported the story this morning and it is in their web site.
They said that "....She failed but did manage to turn the handle far enough that a warning light went on in the cockpit" .
However they never mentioned that it would be impossible to actually open the door leaving many people thinking, I am sure, that it is possible to open a door in flight. I didn't think that turning the handle was even possible. Is it? I thought that the handles were secured once that the doors were secured by the crew befor take off.



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User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9631 times:

They were at 4,000 feet, so this was very dangerous.

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2907 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

4000 feet doesn't create too much of a pressure differential...


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4):
Do you know why she was trying to open the door. Scared of flying maybe.

Maybe she thought she spotted a squirrel at 30,000 feet and wanted it to come in out of the cold.  Smile



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
you can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance

By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

Don't remember the make of jet but it was one where the back door opened out with stairs. There is a system in place now to keep anyone from opening it in flight.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21):
By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?

Yep, he knew what he was doing. The only door you can open in flight like that is the rear stair on the 727 DC9, etc. It is not a plug style door, but a "drawbridge" style and would actually want to open very much given a chance.

Even at 4000 feet, with the already pressurized cabin and the vacuum effect of traveling at 200+ mph, opening the plug style door manually would have been very close to impossible for a woman, and even then, it probably wouldn't have posed much danger to the pax, as they were all strapped in and non-pressurized vehicles travel with open portals at 4000 feet all the time.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14130 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Yes, but the 727 airstairs are in an unpressurised area (the tail cone is not pressurized). The big door in the rear pressure bulkhead is a plug type door. You will never get it open without a hydraulic jack.

And for the 767 and DC-10 / MD-11, all the motor / counterweight mechanism does is to help to lift the door upwards. The door is a plug type door as well. On the MD-11 the lift motor will lift the appr. 200 kg door, but it will not be able to pull it in against 10 tons of air pressure.
On the 767 the door is simply lifted by a huge spring, which balances the weight of the door.

Jan


25 Navairjax : That would be D.B. Cooper. After that there was an adjustment made to the airstairs to prevent them from being opened in flight. The part was dubbed
26 Vegasplanes : That would be D.B. Cooper, NW 727, jumped out over Oregon after the plane left Seattle with the Ca$h he demanded. I do not believe that any pax. were
27 SonOfACaptain : Well, I have a story that relates to this. My dad told me awhile back that they were taxing for take-off when a warning light came on that an overwing
28 UAalltheway : Aren't the doors like locked or something? Like before takeoff the captain is like "flight attendants arm doors for takeoff"? Or are they talking abou
29 Post contains links UAalltheway : Quote: Meryl getline: Flight attendants have to "arm" doors for departure — which means they attach each door to an escape slide. If an emergency oc
30 PMN : I thought they were referring to the slides but I could be wrong! Paul
31 Dtwclipper : There was a case of a New York Air MD-80 that took off out of LGA. The Aft Galley Service door was armed (just a girt bar) and showed closed to the f
32 GQfluffy : I seem to remember a photo a couple of months ago of two pilots standing on a Mad Dog wing looking for ice. You could see the emergency exit door sit
33 Tgocean : A more entertaining aspect to this flap is the behavior of the surrounding passengers. You've got two options: (1) get up and grab her, and drag her a
34 An225 : I believe that this is the same thinking the guys in the FBI and NTSB had when they tried to crack the case of Egypt Air B767 crash. Sometimes people
35 Post contains images RAMPRAT980 :
36 Scotland1979 : HA! BigPhilNYC, you are so funny. Thinking the door is bathroom with window? Laughing!! You funny!! Anyway, I enjoy your comment ! Cheers! Frank
37 Post contains images Richardnhsv : Maybe she was told to go outside to smoke that cigarette...
38 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : For sure! There was a National Airlines DC-10 in 1973 where a passenger was blown out of the plane after an uncontained engine failure. He had his se
39 Wjcandee : FWIW, I think it's actually called the Cooper "vane".
40 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : I tell you what got me about this is that the flight attendant only tried to "persuade" the lady from attempting to open the door. Now, I understand t
41 TheGreatChecko : The pressure differential does that, the weight against the door is enormous in flight. On the ground, you need the doors to be easy to open. The las
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