Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8944 times:
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supposedly flight 1195 there was some sort of ruckus, any UA people have the story?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8766 times:
considering you can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance, all it could have been was a "ruckus" anyway. no real danger, no?
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Antiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8692 times:
Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter): ou can't physically open a door in a pressurized cabin during flight without mechanical assistance
I know that and you know that. However, I'm willing to bet at least 80% of the people on that plane have no idea and probably some people got very disturbed by the fact that someone attempted to open the door.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8679 times:
well my dad was in a helicopter over new york when a freaked out pax did open the emergency door. it fell off and hit a taxi on the roof. the copter landed safely, and the poor freaked out man was arrested. even then, the pax on the copter weren't in any danger unless they took off their belts.
but that was only at a few hundred feet after taking off and in an unpressurized cabin.
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KennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8636 times:
I bet she got in a huff with a FA and said "That's it I'm getting off"
Seriously though, I was on a Loganair Saab 340 from Shetland to Edinburgh 5 years ago when a male passenger stood up grasping his chest and started grabbing for an over wing exit. We were near Orkney at the time at around 15k feet, some passengers grabbed him in panic then thought he was having a heart attack. The stewardess asked if a doctor was on the plane, as I was a first aider, (they teach you well in the Air Force), I got him in the back seat row, calmed him down and found out he was having an anxiety attack. We made an emergency diversion to Kirkwall in the Orkneys just in case, but that's another story.
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8630 times:
I know that without Mechanical assistance you cannot open an a/c door in flight.
The B747 has hand operated doors but the B767 and DC-10 have electronic operated doors. If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8554 times:
BigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4073 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8506 times:
Every now and again I hear these stories of people trying to open the doors, and it's often because they are seriously too stupid and think that it is a bathroom.
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8488 times:
FlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8372 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 8): I think it was an Egypt Air or El Al B767 over Atlantic.
It was an Egyptair 767 a few years ago, not El Al.
FlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8124 times:
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8098 times:
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6): If there weren't any bolts holding the B767 and DC-10 doors from opening in flight would that mean that they could open as they have mechanical assistance?
No, as far as I know, they are still "plug" type doors.
ViasaMSY From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7369 times:
CNN reported the story this morning and it is in their web site.
They said that "....She failed but did manage to turn the handle far enough that a warning light went on in the cockpit" .
However they never mentioned that it would be impossible to actually open the door leaving many people thinking, I am sure, that it is possible to open a door in flight. I didn't think that turning the handle was even possible. Is it? I thought that the handles were secured once that the doors were secured by the crew befor take off.
BRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7366 times:
They were at 4,000 feet, so this was very dangerous.
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Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7202 times:
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 4): Do you know why she was trying to open the door. Scared of flying maybe.
Maybe she thought she spotted a squirrel at 30,000 feet and wanted it to come in out of the cold.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7021 times:
Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21): By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?
Don't remember the make of jet but it was one where the back door opened out with stairs. There is a system in place now to keep anyone from opening it in flight.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
Quoting 767Lover (Reply 21): By the way, how did that D.L. Somebody-or-other open the door on that 727 back in the 70s (the guy who jumped out with all that cash)?
Yep, he knew what he was doing. The only door you can open in flight like that is the rear stair on the 727 DC9, etc. It is not a plug style door, but a "drawbridge" style and would actually want to open very much given a chance.
Even at 4000 feet, with the already pressurized cabin and the vacuum effect of traveling at 200+ mph, opening the plug style door manually would have been very close to impossible for a woman, and even then, it probably wouldn't have posed much danger to the pax, as they were all strapped in and non-pressurized vehicles travel with open portals at 4000 feet all the time.
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13337 posts, RR: 64 Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6697 times:
Yes, but the 727 airstairs are in an unpressurised area (the tail cone is not pressurized). The big door in the rear pressure bulkhead is a plug type door. You will never get it open without a hydraulic jack.
And for the 767 and DC-10 / MD-11, all the motor / counterweight mechanism does is to help to lift the door upwards. The door is a plug type door as well. On the MD-11 the lift motor will lift the appr. 200 kg door, but it will not be able to pull it in against 10 tons of air pressure.
On the 767 the door is simply lifted by a huge spring, which balances the weight of the door.
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25 Navairjax: That would be D.B. Cooper. After that there was an adjustment made to the airstairs to prevent them from being opened in flight. The part was dubbed
26 Vegasplanes: That would be D.B. Cooper, NW 727, jumped out over Oregon after the plane left Seattle with the Ca$h he demanded. I do not believe that any pax. were
27 SonOfACaptain: Well, I have a story that relates to this. My dad told me awhile back that they were taxing for take-off when a warning light came on that an overwing
28 UAalltheway: Aren't the doors like locked or something? Like before takeoff the captain is like "flight attendants arm doors for takeoff"? Or are they talking abou
29 UAalltheway: Quote: Meryl getline: Flight attendants have to "arm" doors for departure — which means they attach each door to an escape slide. If an emergency oc
30 PMN: I thought they were referring to the slides but I could be wrong! Paul
31 Dtwclipper: There was a case of a New York Air MD-80 that took off out of LGA. The Aft Galley Service door was armed (just a girt bar) and showed closed to the f
32 GQfluffy: I seem to remember a photo a couple of months ago of two pilots standing on a Mad Dog wing looking for ice. You could see the emergency exit door sit
33 Tgocean: A more entertaining aspect to this flap is the behavior of the surrounding passengers. You've got two options: (1) get up and grab her, and drag her a
34 An225: I believe that this is the same thinking the guys in the FBI and NTSB had when they tried to crack the case of Egypt Air B767 crash. Sometimes people
36 Scotland1979: HA! BigPhilNYC, you are so funny. Thinking the door is bathroom with window? Laughing!! You funny!! Anyway, I enjoy your comment ! Cheers! Frank
37 Richardnhsv: Maybe she was told to go outside to smoke that cigarette...
38 MissedApproach: For sure! There was a National Airlines DC-10 in 1973 where a passenger was blown out of the plane after an uncontained engine failure. He had his se
39 Wjcandee: FWIW, I think it's actually called the Cooper "vane".
40 Usnseallt82: I tell you what got me about this is that the flight attendant only tried to "persuade" the lady from attempting to open the door. Now, I understand t
41 TheGreatChecko: The pressure differential does that, the weight against the door is enormous in flight. On the ground, you need the doors to be easy to open. The las
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