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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

I was just checking out ATL-SEA, and it looks like a potential blockbuster route for FL. Delta is the only nonstop competition with 7 dailys, several 767s. Average 1 way fare $240. The route has 912 avg. daily o/d passengers, not to mention connecting potential in ATL to the east and Florida.

Maybe FL lacks the spare aircraft right now, after all, 2100+ miles would tie up a jet for most of the day doing 1 round trip. A red eye to ATL would be popular and I'd bet they could fill up 3 dailys without any problems.

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
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Quoting Quickmover (Thread starter):
I was just checking out ATL-SEA, and it looks like a potential blockbuster route for FL. Delta is the only nonstop competition with 7 dailys, several 767s. Average 1 way fare $240. The route has 912 avg. daily o/d passengers, not to mention connecting potential in ATL to the east and Florida.

This time of year traffic is heavier than other times, for the simple reason, Alaska Cruises! Most cruises are a week in length, though for Alaska a slew of people do pre and post packages.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

I think they should start IND-SEA service...the plane could leave from ATL...stop in IND...and continue to SEA  Big grin


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Well maybe over the winter months, the reverse happens and SEA residents would like to go to Florida?

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2078 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 2):
I think they should start IND-SEA service...the plane could leave from ATL...stop in IND...and continue to SEA

That is the worst idea I think I've ever heard. And I'm not kidding.

Seattle would be a great destination for FL no doubt. Most of these markets are inevitable if FL continues to expand, each expansion offers that many more connecting opportunities. Then we'll see the tweener cities like St. Louis, San Antonio, etc.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

LambertMan...you gave absolutely no reason why that is the worst idea...before you open up your mouth and start spewing sh*t...think and then give some reasons.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

For starters they would offer nonstop service from ATL to their customers. Doesn't mean they won't add it in IND if they ever flew to SEA. It would just make for a horribly long flight in my opinion for a stop.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2078 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

Because ATL will offer connecting opportunities to the east coast and florida. Why would you stop at IND then go to ATL then on to Florida. Nobody is going to make 2 connections, especially when one is unnecessary. You would basically lose all passengers who weren't going to either ATL or IND. By offering SEA-ATL, there is only one stop and then you are on your way. Plus it would offer DL some much needed competition on an extremely lucrative route, as mr. quickmover has pointed out.

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

I was not talking about flights from SEA-IND-ATL-Florida...i mean...use one of the ATL flights already in place and add SEA to the IND part...and vice versa.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Northwest flies a daily Indianapolis-Seattle flight. Yes, it is seasonal, but there is a reason it is seasonal.

That daily flight is enough for the market. IND is very fortunate for a city of its size in the Eastern US to have Seattle service.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Northwest flies a daily Indianapolis-Seattle flight. Yes, it is seasonal, but there is a reason it is seasonal.

Do you have any idea how much the service drops off in September?



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3609 times:

Sea-Tac is raising already its already outrageous costs in order to pay for its taj-mahal terminal. Southwest is trying to move to Boeing Field in order to get away from this. The fees at Sea-Tac make new low-cost service unprofitable - or at least less profitable than other opportunities. Airtran may come, but wait until facilities are available at Boeing Field. They would have to rent from Southwest, but Southwest does not fly to Atlanta and will have plenty of extra capacity available if the new terminal is built as planned. Southwest's website has the complete proposal.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5624 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 11):
Sea-Tac is raising already its already outrageous costs in order to pay for its taj-mahal terminal. Southwest is trying to move to Boeing Field in order to get away from this. The fees at Sea-Tac make new low-cost service unprofitable - or at least less profitable than other opportunities. Airtran may come, but wait until facilities are available at Boeing Field. They would have to rent from Southwest, but Southwest does not fly to Atlanta and will have plenty of extra capacity available if the new terminal is built as planned. Southwest's website has the complete proposal.

Despite WN's public display, Indy, JetBlue, and Frontier all seem to be able to handle some level of service to SEA, and I think it's doubtful that AirTran would wait until 2009 (or later) to begin service to the SEA market.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 2):
I think they should start IND-SEA service...the plane could leave from ATL...stop in IND...and continue to SEA

I love it. Then Northwest can go nuts on AirTran once again by offering the same time flight as AirTran all year round (In case you mised the Ft Myers-Flint announcement).


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5264 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3589 times:

The Fort Meyers - Flint announcement can be easily handled with some kind of snotty Airtran ad that reads: "3 years old or 35 years old -- the choice is yours."

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
Do you have any idea how much the service drops off in September?

A lot. Alaska cruises suddenly aren't fun when it starts getting cold.



a.
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
A lot. Alaska cruises suddenly aren't fun when it starts getting cold.

When isn't it cold? I would have said when the sun goes down.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5624 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
A lot. Alaska cruises suddenly aren't fun when it starts getting cold.

As a lifelong Seattle area resident, and having spent a number of years in a tourism related company, I can say from my experience May-September is definately the popular time, then it drops pretty heavily. We have a very strong business market in Seattle, but are the ties to IND really that strong for a year round service?

I guess if WN can operate from SEA n/s to BNA, MCI, ABQ, etc, why not?

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5624 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 16):
When isn't it cold? I would have said when the sun goes down.

Well, it's been in the 80's/90's the past few weeks, though it does cool off after midnight. Maybe they could do IND-SEA July 25th-Aug 15th  Smile.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 18):
Well, it's been in the 80's/90's the past few weeks

In Alaska?



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5624 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 19):
In Alaska?

My bad. Thought we were referring to SEA.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Before I left FL about a month ago to move up to SEA, I asked a certain
member of the FL top brass at one of those "town hall" meetings in ATL
several months back about the prospectsof FL starting service to SEA.
His remarks were that SEA is too much of a "seasonal market"and you
"only make money there in the summer and the rest of the year you get
killed there the rest of the year." At first I thought well what an ignoramus
he was but with WN's proposals to move to BFI and build a new terminal
there because of SEA's rising and rising costs I can see why AirTran may
be hesitant to start SEA service now. Although I am certain if FL was
sucessful in getting the TZ gates and certain assets instead of WN, FL
would already be serving the Emerald City and Tacoma. Oh well!



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

I'd love to see AirTran expand its DFW operation and launch DFW-SEA, but that market will be tough once AS enters this fall.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quote:
We have a very strong business market in Seattle, but are the ties to IND really that strong for a year round service?

Not even ATA was crazy enough to try that .. and that says something!

FL has SEA on its scope .. the last I heard was that they are looking at 2006 ...



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

There is ALMOST daily flights on Alaska Airlines nonstop from MCO-SEA (and I assume on to ANC). flown primarily by 738's or 739's I believe....

25 BCAInfoSys : Yes, used to be 2x daily with 739s, though AS recently dropped it off to 1x daily. Steve
26 Post contains links SeaTran : AirTran should go to Seattle. No doubt about it. Seattle is not really a seasonal market. I'm afraid that people who claim Seattle is seasonal are unf
27 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Perhaps... Now you're reaching... Now you're insane. -Dave
28 RwSEA : I wouldn't agree with much of this ... AS has a HUGE amount of loyalty in the SEA area, and people aren't going to suddenly switch to an unknown airl
29 Post contains images OttoPylit : (In my best Dr. Evil confused voice) Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. So tell me, with Delta flying all 767's to ATL, as well as flights to SLC, CVG, and JFK
30 Canoecarrier : You think AA would bite a chunk out of FL's ass if they started flying SEA-DFW? That flight just wouldn't happen. AA did seasonally increase service t
31 Baw716 : For sure Port of Seattle (POS) is charging airlines a lot for the new terminal, which is a lot considering the amount of space that is has, which is n
32 Post contains images 7E72004 : The way i see it, and i respect other's opinions on this, is that if Southwest thinks the price is to high at SEA, then let them leave the seattle are
33 PlanesNTrains : When did this become a WN vs SEA thread?? -Dave
34 7E72004 : Dude...if you read back a little bit you will see where it became a WN vs. SEA thread
35 PlanesNTrains : Dude, if you read the thread title, you'll see that it doesn't belong here. But you should know that, as you post in every WN thread that comes up. -
36 SeaTran : Yes, Alaska does have loyalty in the Seattle area; but not that much. Not enough to pay more than a couple of additional bucks for a ticket. Look at
37 Dutchjet : Additional service from ATL to the West Coast was certainly part of AirTran's plans when they selected the 73G, so a route to SEA is something that Ai
38 LN-MOW : airTran is worried about the seasonal factor, but DL certainly needs some competition on SEA-ATL. In the two months Vanguard flew to SEA, we averaged
39 ASFlyer : That would explain why Frontier is losing money and Alaska is making money. Those Frontier planes are so full they are losing money while Alaska's 1/
40 SeaTran : In citing the example of Frontier's full flights, I was simply responding to a point that was made asserting Northwest consumers are fervently devote
41 Tornado82 : No, it is the worst idea. Maybe before you open up your mouth and start spewing insults at respected members you should realize how bad ideas are. Yo
42 LN-MOW : Emmmm .... Alaska already codeshares with DL ... don't think DL would jump for joy if AS and airTran started codesharing.
43 7E72004 : Tornado82...living in Indianapolis during the past several years, i know a little more about the region and commercial air needs a little more than yo
44 SeaTran : No, I don't think Delta would jump for joy. I think Delta would likely be a trifle angry. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure no one would ask Delta's
45 7E72004 : An Alaska and AirTran codeshare would be a very good idea in my opinion and i have to agree with SeaTran. It would be way to early to tell if a merger
46 Post contains links Mariner : That's quite easy. Frontier has been going through an expensive fleet transtion - they lost money this last quarter only because of special charges r
47 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : That may very well be true. Alaska is feeding in a direction that offers less overall city-pairs of size than does Frontier. That is a reasonable ass
48 N200WN : I don't think one has to actually live in the area to understand the nature of the market. SEA is not a seasonal destination, but from IND it certain
49 Indy : That is a bit rude don't you think? Or did I just miss the point of what you were trying to say?
50 Post contains images Tornado82 : I just moved out of Indiana at the turn of the new year, and my girlfriend still lives in LAF, and I typically fly there every other weekend. I think
51 Indy : With everyone talking like they know the IND-SEA route can anyone actually provide numbers on a monthly basis? Or is this all speculation? Lets not sp
52 Post contains links Tornado82 : Asketh and ye shall receiveth. http://www.faremeasure.com/Flights_D...anapolis,%20IN&City2=Seattle,%20WA As far as seasonality, that remains to be se
53 LN-MOW : Nothing unusual, even for the same airline. DL's nonstop SEA-ATL is almost twice as expensive than their connecting flights ($594 r.t vs. $334).. A b
54 Tornado82 : LN-MOW: Okay, and agreed, but that's still irrelevant to the point of there won't be enough pax to fill these direct NW A319's all year long in a prof
55 Indy : Thanks. Already had that site. Unfortunately it doesn't give a seasonal breakdown. How big of a window are they reporting on? NW only had NS service
56 Tornado82 : 14 of the 25 mainliners go to the hubs. So as far as your point to point, it's primarily RJ's, which is what I was getting at the whole time. Hell we
57 Tornado82 : Seatmaps, especially NW's online, don't tell you jack sh**. I can't tell you the number of times I've left my apartment after looking at a seat map o
58 LambertMan : While I do agree some Hoosiers over-estimate the size of their catchment area, CMH isn't a great comparison. Indianapolis has several universities, a
59 Indy : You still haven't provided anything to support your claim against IND-SEA. There is a possibility that the demand for seats falls off dramatically in
60 ASFlyer : I'de go with that thought if I hadn't brought home profit sharing in each of the last two years. As you mentioned, in regards to Frontier, Alaska too
61 Tornado82 : Lilly vs Nationwide, Express/Limited/Abercrombie group (I forget the technical name for that conglomerate... I think it's Limited Group, LP), and Car
62 Indy : If you want to fly the route both ways nonstop you can do so up until the 19th. You can fly the 12th and come back on the 19th and pay $788.40 or fly
63 Indy : IUPUI a glorified junior/commuter college? It is a very large school near downtown that provides degrees from IU and PU. There is a medical and law s
64 Tornado82 : I will stand corrected... I forgot all about Butler being in Indy... I always confuse it with Ball State and think it's in Muncie. How I can do that
65 MAH4546 : There is no speculation. A large part of getting IND-SEA started was cruise ship companies, who guaranteed Northwest revenue for the flight during Al
66 Tornado82 : Thank you.
67 Post contains links Indy : At the risk of turning this into a university debate I recommend you check this... IUPUI -- 29,953 enrollment this year, up from 29,860 last year, a
68 Indy : If you don't mind me asking what is the source of that information? Edit: And for what its worth I have a feeling that NW will look to shut down the
69 LambertMan : Oh lordy, jumping to conclusions. The Indianapolis focus city by all accounts is doing fine, and in some cases exceeding expectations (or at least be
70 Indy : LambertMan... I don't think its an issue of filling jets. I think they are doing fine on that. Problem is I think they are charging too low of a fare
71 Post contains images Tornado82 : US' lucrative routes too. I never did understand NW fighting US 733's with those sawed off CRJ-440's on IND-PHL. The CASM's have got to be killing th
72 Indy : Maybe because the Florida routes are already pretty much rock bottom and stressing over it won't do them any good. I don't think any of the airlines
73 Tornado82 : Indy... you read my question backwards. My point is that it's smart for NW to leave FL alone on IND-Florida... so why did they pull the bonehead move
74 LambertMan : Well, obviously. That's why I pointed out that AirTran and Southwest aren't flying NW's *assumed* big money makers, leaving the yields intact. Let's
75 Post contains images Indy : Sorry if I read it backwards. I think someone in another thread said it best when they compared FL & NW to a 35 year old and a 5 year old. Or somethi
76 DAYflyer : I think ATL-SEA would be great for them, but have they ever tried to go to King County instead?? Maybe beating Southwest to the punch would be the key
77 7E72004 : Could AirTran "technically" land a plane at King County? Yes. Would they do it? Probably not. I think the only way they would do it is if someone else
78 Tornado82 : That was an Airtran ad comparing the DC-9 that NW runs versus Airtran's 717's, agewise.
79 Post contains images Indy : That works too . I've been in both. The 717 is nice. Love the XM radio. I'm not a big radio fan but that beats the heck out of normal in flight radio.
80 SeaTran : Yes, AirTran could technically land a plane at BFI/King County. However, they do not have they money to finance the required infrastructure themselves
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