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Tuninter Turboprop Down Off The Coast Of Sicilly  
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13592 times:

more to come.

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[Edited 2005-08-06 16:41:31]

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13566 times:

I heard it was an ATR

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13532 times:

My Yahoo! SMS alert at 16:31 says: An Italian TV network says a TunisAir jet has gone down in the water off the coast of Sicilly.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13518 times:

Italian reports say ATR with around 35 on board ditched 18 miles off Sicilian coast.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13519 times:

Aircraft was actually an ATR42, operated by Tuninter; JP shows only one ATR42 (plus some '72s) operated by this carrier.

Aircraft appears to be TS-LBA, an ATR42-300, in operation since 1992.

Some confusion as to whether it ditched or crashed into the water.

35 on board; not clear whether that's the total or the pax no.


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13520 times:

Yes, a turboprop ATR 42, TUNISAIR (from BARI to DJERBA) tried an emergency landing at the Palermo airport, without succeeding. The crash has happened at 3.55 PM. It looks like there are survivors still swimming in the water waiting for rescue to come.

More to come.

Regards



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

Quoting Backfire (Reply 1):
I heard it was an ATR

AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13452 times:

Flight TUNISAIR 1153. Two survivors went on the plane's wing. The others are still swimming in water. The plane was an ATR 72 not 42 as previously said.

Regards



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User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13424 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

Must be Tuninter then. Or are there any other Tunisian ATR operators?

Michael


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

It was probabily a charter flight. It is floating in water.

Regards



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13375 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
AFAIK, Tunisair doesn't operate ATRs.

I never said it was Tunisair, did I...?  Wink


User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13334 times:

Five more passengers have reached the palne's wing right now.

Regards



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13326 times:

It's TUNINTER, TS-LBA. Was operating flight Bari (Italy) to Djerba (Tunisia).


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Of course, for the media, Tunis'Air / Tuninter is all the same ...  sarcastic 


User currently offlineMUC-PIX From Germany, joined Aug 2002, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

German news station n24 reports about an attempt for an emergency landing at Palermo, Italy before an water landing was carried out about 18 mls north of Palermo. They talk about an ATR-42, but... press... They say the flight was scheduled Bari-Djerba and called "Tunis Air 1153"

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13319 times:
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Just to confirm that it is Tuninter which operate the ATR fleet

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User currently offlineMarcoB2 From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13283 times:

2 passengers were seen swimming and trying to get on the wing.
The ATR is still floatng on the water and rescues arrived just now.
The pilot made a request for an emergency landing to Punta Raisi in Palermo.

Marco.


User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

CNN just reported ATR 42 of Tunis Air crashed 19 miles north of Palermo. 35 souls on board. Water rescue is/will be starting soon.


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13243 times:

Lets hope for more survivors. Glad that a ditching/crash in sea is survivable. Hope no one perished. I suppose the warm temperature of the sea at this time of year will have added to the survivability of the accident.

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
Of course, for the media, Tunis'Air / Tuninter is all the same ...

Can we leave the immature media-bashing out of this thread? A.net embarrassed itself enough this week by dealing out plenty of ill-informed comment of its own regarding the Air France accident. I'm fed up of hearing the same tired old complaints over media coverage, when A.net is stealing most of its information from journalists' reports.

Stick with the thread, please.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13110 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17):
Glad that a ditching/crash in sea is survivable.

I may be completely wrong... but doesn't ATR's high-wing design help quite a lot in a situation like this?


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 13052 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 19):
I may be completely wrong... but doesn't ATR's high-wing design help quite a lot in a situation like this?

Not necessarily. Low-mounted wings can add to the buoyancy and stability of a ditched aircraft. Put a high-wing aircraft in water, it tips over.


User currently offlineMUC-PIX From Germany, joined Aug 2002, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

News report about first italian coast guard boat has arrived on scene and already rescued the first eight pax (www.n24.de)

User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1073 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

austrian tv says 35 people on board, at least 7 survivors reported.


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User currently offlineMarcoB2 From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

Seems that nobody perished in the accident

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12888 times:

Damn, what's going on lately? This is already the second crash within a few days. I hope that all (at least a lot) passengers survived.

Patrick


25 AviationMaster : "Seems that nobody perished in the accident" Would be awsome news. Two major incidents in the past week without any loss of life. Amazing.
26 L410Turbolet : What I meant was the actual landing on the water, where the low-mounted wings and especially engines might be an obstacle. But as I said, it's just a
27 Macc : cnn had a line saying 11 killed... wonder how they want to know that fast
28 JoKeR : Aghhhhhh... I was hoping that "everything happens in three's" would not materialize.... Hope everyone is OK!
29 Banfield : Italian media say 24 people rescued
30 MUC-PIX : News say minimum 5 dead
31 Post contains links Beaucaire : Following a RAI message it was this aircraft http://www.airliners.net/open.file/852635/M/
32 Post contains links ManuCH : That's what the italian "Corriere" says: http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/C...ache/2005/08_Agosto/06/aereo.shtml Apparently already 5 pax died (as M
33 KLMflyer : This is what appeared on Yahoo right few minutes ago: ROME - A Tunisian jet carrying 35 passengers crashed into the Mediterranean Sea off Sicily on Sa
34 MKEdude : CNN is still reporting the aircraft as a Tunis Air, not Tuniter. So there still seems to be some confusion.
35 Sabena332 : Tunisair doesn't have any ATR's in the fleet. Patrick
36 Post contains images EL-AL : - for the victims -
37 TUNisia : This is very sad. These people were probably on their way to a lovely holiday on the island of Djerba.
38 Post contains links Cloudyapple : Entry in ASN, they're so quick. http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050806-0
39 Macc : 14 dead, 20 survived, 5 still missing. 35 pax + 4 crew from n-tv
40 FlySSC : On the French T.V "LCI" they are now taking about 7 dead, 24 survivors and 4 missing among the PAX. Backfire (Reply#18) I would just like the Journali
41 Airblue : This is the official number at the moment given live from PMO airport on Italia1 evening news: 14 dead 20 survived 5 missing
42 Glidepath73 : German second TV channel (ZDF) said right now at the 7.00pm news, possibly 19 passengers died at the crash. That is so bad. Wonder what happened to th
43 ManuCH : According to corriere.it who interviewed the pilot, the plane broke up in 3 pieces when ditching, because it went into the sea "nose first". Also, som
44 Backfire : I understand the point, FlySSC - but as a journalist I can tell you that you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. You cannot always verify information bef
45 Teva : Backfire, you say: I am very sorry, but the job a a journalist (can be called reporter too...) is to report accurate information that has been verifie
46 TS-IOR : I heard the news by 16:00 on German TVs N24 and N-TV but unfortunately i wasn't able to announce it on A.Net. The aircraft was an ATR72 (TS-LBB or TS-
47 Avek00 : Hasn't been a good week for French-built aircraft - first an A340 slip and slides in Toronto, and now this...
48 FlySSC : From an originally announced ATR-42 TS-LBA, It is now confirmed that the plane involved in the accident is an ATR-72 TS-LBB ... Backfire, I know that
49 SBN580 : I am not trying to inpune all broadcast journalism, but you must admit in a lot of newsrooms in the world, especially here in the States, that trumpi
50 Post contains images TS-IOR : It's not a very interesting debate and it is not of a great importance, for non aviation enthusiasts, to know the type of the aircraft, the reg...so i
51 Post contains images JoKeR : Ahmmm, say what now?
52 Krist0f : Regarding this incident you can't get any more black and white in the coverage. I keep wondering about the motivation of these journalists.... CNN is
53 N270ft : Does anyone have any speculation about the cause of the accident? I am pretty sure that ATR's have a very good safety record. Apollo13, you may be fru
54 Post contains images Backfire : I can believe that the pressure to be first is enormous - I don't accept that reporters (as a whole) deliberately connive to give out inaccurate info
55 Avek00 : Airbus and ATR have had a difficult run this week, that's all.
56 KC135R : Is it really necessary to take a swing at "French-built aircraft" when 14 people are dead? Anyway... Sad news - I have noticed in the past (and if I
57 Post contains images Backfire : The A340's wings are still intact - but of course that's the bit the British build.
58 777ER : Upto 15 are confirmed dead, more could join the toll
59 Shamrock350 : I heard 17 on Sky News, its very sad
60 Post contains links KC135R : MSNBC reporting "at least" 19 dead now. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8849746/
61 AsstChiefMark : Where's the live video feed? Or a recorded video? Someone had to record it. Or maybe that's just a North American/European thing? Mark
62 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : a most arrogant statement yes, they were on their way to nice holidays on Djerba, their families thought they were up for a nice time, and now this s
63 Glidepath73 : That's what I noticed a long time ago as well! All the time, if there is an accident, then there will be a second and a third one. Even other people
64 777ER : 23 are now dead. search will begin again tomorrow at first light
65 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : RIP to all the victims. Again terrible news, this time even worse than the 340's   Corriere della Sera is stating 16 perished,including 2 small child
66 LTBEWR : First of all, our condolences to those who lost loved ones in this terrible incident. What is the extent and detail available from any flight recordin
67 EZEIZA : I believe they are attempting to or already have towed the aircraft to the coast by useing some sorft of inflatable device under the wings.
68 Alberchico : Why didn't the fueselage sink to the bottom ? Other planes that have crashed have gone down in just minutes.
69 TACAA320 : It's really sad that not everbody survived like in the AF accident at YYZ. May they souls rest in peace.
70 CcrlR : My Condolences go out to those who have died and their families. A very sad week for aviation and accidents. One north of Chicago-both survived, AF A3
71 JumboJim747 : THis is really bad for the simple reason that these things happen in 3s . I sure hope im wrong and the trend stops. God be with all the people involve
72 Raivavae : ATR's are equipped with CVR and DFDR The are located in the tail of the aircraft located 1000 meters under the surface . It should be possible to rea
73 Backfire : I can just imagine the pilots discussing the swell and the angle of the drift, as though nothing more important might be on their minds.[Edited 2005-
74 Ilgrancapo : I saw in the TV yhat the aircraft involved in the accident was an ATR72. Really or not? The authorities still searching 2 missing.
75 TS-IOR : The PF, Cpt Chafik GHARBI is among the survivors and he stated total engine failure behind the ditching. Propellers lost power. Was it due to electric
76 AIR MALTA : May they rest in peace!!! A very sad news in deed... I was on Tuninter TS-LBA on Thursday and I am preparing a trip report on that :.-( Here in Tunisi
77 TS-IOR : The tragedy is badly covered by Tunisian media. There is no info on the Tunisian crew except the Cpt which is glorified !!! I think that he only did h
78 Post contains images PipoA380 : It ain't the Bermudes I guess Is that really justified? It sais the airplane ditched "nose first". I've heard about better ditches. It's certainly to
79 ManuCH : If both engines failed, isn't it so that the hydraulic systems are also lost, and the plane can't be controlled anymore? At least on jet airliners th
80 Glidepath73 : Since the ATR-72 is not such a big airliner, I guess it was still possible to control the a/c. If it would have been crashed without any control, nobo
81 PipoA380 : I agree with Glidepath73 there. I'm no Tech expert but I could hardly believe a plane is not controllable when engines fail. For security reasons, a
82 Backfire : Aircraft are designed to glide but gliding uses up a lot of altitude in order for the aircraft to maintain the airspeed to stay aloft. If both engine
83 Renatogp : Being a Very Frequent Flyer, and having experienced an extremely difficult landing,in a storm, at Kai Tak, HKG, I believe I do understand the tragedy
84 VivaGunners : This is very sad indeed, may all the victims rest in peace... The pilots made a great job with that landing on water, in that way at least some people
85 PipoA380 : Yes and this is why they ditched. It's just that I can't really say that ditching nose first is being a hero. But well I''m no pilot and I wasn't the
86 Raivavae : The most important thing when reaching this point(around 1000 ft) IS to evaluate the swell, the drift, that is what makes the difference between a go
87 ManuCH : Thank you, that's the information I was looking for.
88 Legacy135 : From other statements I can see, that the plane obviously hit the water with the nose first. Don't blame the pilots for that. They came down in a real
89 ManuCH : According to the latest news, the dual engine failure may have been caused either by fuel contamination or by the pilot opening the wrong fuel cross-f
90 Glidepath73 : That would be really bad after all! Remember the Air Transat A332 incident with the wrong switching of the fuel valves. Fortunately they reached the
91 AIR MALTA : The Italian media is talking about fuel contamination which is a commun thing in secondary airport in Italy : frightening.
92 Post contains links Beaucaire : http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?do...&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
93 Starlionblue : As Raivavae said, on the ATR controls are mechanical. However even on FBW aircraft loss of all engines does not mean complete loss of control. The Ra
94 Post contains links and images BuyantUkhaa : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4131438.stm
95 Apathoid : Idiots...just a bunch of idiots. ATR controls are mechanical. ATR hydraulic systems are not engine driven. Aircraft is perfectly controllable with bot
96 Starlionblue : At least we keep a civil tone, unlike you...
97 Apathoid : No need to be civil...I'm annoyed at you arm chair experts that think you have it all figured out before the bodies are cold. Shame on all of you...
98 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : both the press and the public have entered eagerly into the speculation business, and nobody will "quit" nobody is hindering the investigators from d
99 CV747 : If you are annoyed... then don't read it! What's the problem? Italian authorities are saying that the tanks of the thing were dry! I.e. it just ran o
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