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O'Leary At It Again, "LH Worst Managed Airline"  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10049 times:

I just read a great interview with Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary, it is published on the Welt am Sonntag website but unfortunately is it only in German.

O'Leary is answering questions in his typical loudmouth style.

Some quotes:

Reporter: "Do you think that traditional airlines have now a business model to exist beside the low cost competition?"

O'Leary: "BA noticed that they can not compete against low cost airlines, thus they are focusing on the long-haul routes. Lufthansa on the other hand is not as far as BA. They are a little bit schizophrenic. Half of the time they are focusing on long-haul routes, then they hold a strategy meeting in Frankfurt and go back to the short-haul routes in Germany. After six months full of losses they go back and concentrate again on the long-haul routes. Or they buy a catering company, that is a total stupid business."


Another:

Reporter: "Which European airline is the worst managed?"

O'Leary: "Lufthansa!"

Reporter: "Why?"

O'Leary: "Everyone who is buying a catering company in these times should urgently consult his doctor to have his head checked"


Furthermore is O'Leary bitching about EasyJet and other German low cost airlines. He attacked the idea to sell tickets via supermarkets (like dba did lately) and predicted that EasyJet will be taken over by another airline in the future.

I really like to read interviews with O'Leary, he has a provoking style. In my opinion is it ok when he behaves like that, Ryanair is a very successful airline.

Patrick

[Edited 2005-08-06 21:11:44]

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9979 times:

Anyone that says LH is a poorly managed company should have HIS
head examined. LH is extremely successful, and the envy of many
other carriers.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

The guy just sucks. He behaves like a horny teenager and thinks he is cool. Some of his comments are simply rubbish.

- Lufthansa is definitely a well-managed airline, saying the opposite is ignoring reality
- Ryanair to be the only successful LCC in a view years? Crap. Not everybody wants to be treated like cattle. And not everyone likes to land in the middle of nowhere

MOL will get his wake up call one day, just a matter of time.


Regards
Udo


User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Patrick,

thank you for the intresting link....

I think O´Leary is an a....e, arrogant, without respect to the client etc.
For example the tink with the airports (and city names) is there any other airline that promot "Lübeck" as "Rom-North" or "Madrid-East"  Smile ?

He will get in future with this way in serius problems. And it would be not wrong if his company would start to respect the european laws...

but anyway his way of giving interview is more funny than serious due the lot of s..t he is talking...

regards
andreas



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User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

and he is criticizing that for example AZ received subventionen, but is he getting without paying the airports fees? the same...


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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
and he is criticizing that for example AZ received subventionen, but is he getting without paying the airports fees? the same...

He's just a big hypocrite...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

I agree with you Patrick. In a way it is funny to read O'Leary's answers. On the other hand I have to say that with all experience I could gain now in aviation I came to a deal with myself.

This deal is: Never fly with O'Leary's Ryanair!

I am not alone with that. The other day we were a couple of people from the airline business sitting together in the coffee when I brought up my meaning. And it became worse and worse. Everybody had at least two or more bad experiences with Ryanair, ranking from handling, over flights and services until lost bags, bags from other companies they lost and what comes then....
Finally we need to see that Ryanairs profit is widely based on the horrible way he treats his staff. This is somewhat I can't agree at all. I am not one who defends enormous salaries and little work. But everybody should be re-embursed correctly. This means I pay a fair salary, offer fair working conditions and get therefore a good job. O'Leary wants the staff to do the outmost and treats them like animals before WWF was invented!

Finally I am not sure about all going to happen he announces. If O'Leary wants to fly for three times nothing, fine he shall do that. I don't want. We also have seen Mc Donalds coming to Europe the last 20 years. We still have lots of nice restaurant apart as well. I go to Mc Donalds as well, as I like this Junk Food, but it's not specially cheap. Same with his airline. If you count all, there are other offers around which may result a better bargain. With a slight difference to the comparison a made with the restaurant: I am not going to fly Ryanair for it's horrible blue-yellow interiors, to Mc Donalds I go for the food. So there will finally be no reason to fly Ryanair.
LH on the other hand offers tickets quite cheap as well, but you get the service of a world class airline, knowing they look after you if a bag gets lost, you can count your miles and finally you can be sure about one thing: By flying LH every single passenger helps to assure the jobs for those working for LH and those jobs are fair jobs. So my decision is well made. Regards to Mister O'Leary.
Finally we all need to think about our future in aviation: If we support those guys like him, one day we will have working conditions as bad as those working for him. Imagine, getting punished for charging your cellphone at work.

Thanks for the inerview which is fun. I just would like to motivate as many as possible to help to assure a certain level in our contracts. Thanks to all of you supporting the airline employees through Europe,

Rgds,
Legacy135


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9848 times:

I just dont understand how you get fromse airports to the city. It must be bt bus right? EU-jet saw that model cant work, so how does it in france, germany or italy?

User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

O´Leary is known for being arrogant and his "aggressive" management made Ryanair so successful. But he himself says that there are cheap and expensive airlines and no space in-between and that's what most quality-carriers now focus on -> offering service. I count myself to group of passengers that Ryanair generated because I wasn´t financally able to fly before FR and I don´t need that much service.

I´m more concerned that Ryanair is thinking about leaving LBC if Infratil won´t buy the airport because of the stopped airport extension (longer runway/new terminal).


User currently offlineFinkenwerder From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):



Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
think O´Leary is an a....e, arrogant, without respect to the client etc.
For example the tink with the airports (and city names) is there any other airline that promot "Lübeck" as "Rom-North" or "Madrid-East" Smile ?

If it wasn't for the Likes of O'Leary and Easy Jet Many German backwaters would remain just that. Germany needs all the economic help it can get so before you start to criticise him, have a long hard think about how the Lübecks of this world would cope with the withdrawal of the service.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25323 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9779 times:
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There is no other airline CEO who gets a.netters attention like Mr. O'Leary - not even SRB.

But why? He isn't dull, he runs a very successful airline and he isn't afraid to admit - publicly - that he is wrong, as in Poland.

People have been predicting the end of Ryanair for a long time - and it hasn't happened - the profits just keep getting bigger.

I would think he probably sleeps very well at night.  cheerful 

cheers

mariner



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User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Quoting Finkenwerder (Reply 9):
If it wasn't for the Likes of O'Leary and Easy Jet Many German backwaters would remain just that. Germany needs all the economic help it can get so before you start to criticise him, have a long hard think about how the Lübecks of this world would cope with the withdrawal of the service.

this would not affect all the Lübecks ... becaue it´s 90% outgoing traffic. and the great company of O´Leary do not pay nothing for the service they get from the airports + all the traffic is a man-made one... nothing more nothing less...



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

I love the way you crowd all get your panties in a bunch when someone mentions MOL.

Guess what ladies....O'Leary is a self-made millionaire. Want to know how he did it? By being loud and not giving a toss what anyone else thinks of him or his airline. That's why people like David Bonderman of Texas Pacific sits on the board of Ryanair, the same guy who has made BILLIONS in the airline industry with people like Continental. Bonderman backs success.

O'Leary employs Sir Beard strategy in self-promotion too. He gets up the noses of people like the Lufthansa and Alitalia suits, and gets millions of free pounds/euros worth of free publicity in the process.

And all the sages of airliners.net wail on about how much of a loser he is...well sorry girls, O'Leary could buy and sell you all with his loose change. And by doing what he does exactly in the way you all think is so wrong, he's made himself and his investors hugely rich.

So who is right?


User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
he's made himself and his investors hugely rich.

good possible, but anyway he has a kinky character and did not respect nothing...If you like him, why not, it´s ok for me. But you can not expect that all of us like him.

regards



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
good possible, but anyway he has a kinky character and did not respect nothing...If you like him, why not, it´s ok for me. But you can not expect that all of us like him.

I respect the man for making himself and his backers hugely rich by doing what he does.

But the armchair CEOs and publicity gurus who post here seem to think he is evil incarnate and a buffoon. Well who is the success? Who is the one who has an airline with increasing profits and mammoth stock value?

Anyone who does not understand that simple fact is a fool. O'Leary is right up there with Herb and the rest for being a smart cookie and making all the right moves at the right time.


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

Sabena332, what has to happen until you finally bury your hatchet with LH? Your issues with them seem to be somewhat serious, following your posts during recent days ...

cheers,
Jan


User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 2):
MOL will get his wake up call one day, just a matter of time.

Yes, Udo, there will be a wake-up call, but I predict it will be for the likes of Lufthansa. Ryanair is a lot like Southwest and there is really no reason why it will not keep on growing at a healthy clip. A good basic business model with no frills has a lot to be said for it. Why is it that Europeans instinctively react against entrepreneurs, when that is just what their creaky economies desperately need? Ryanair didn't get to where they are by braggadocio. So what if MOL is a colorful character?

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:21:30]

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
And all the sages of airliners.net wail on about how much of a loser he is...well sorry girls, O'Leary could buy and sell you all with his loose change. And by doing what he does exactly in the way you all think is so wrong, he's made himself and his investors hugely rich.

I couldn't care less if he is rich or not, or what made him rich. Fact is he talks nonsense just to get publicity and that's why I don't like him.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
I respect the man for making himself and his backers hugely rich by doing what he does.

And I don't respect him for being arrogant and showing permanent disrespect towards competitors, customers and employees.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
But the armchair CEOs and publicity gurus who post here seem to think he is evil incarnate and a buffoon. Well who is the success? Who is the one who has an airline with increasing profits and mammoth stock value?

So do I have to respect and like anyone just because he is rich?

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 14):
Anyone who does not understand that simple fact is a fool. O'Leary is right up there with Herb and the rest for being a smart cookie and making all the right moves at the right time.

Herb is a very respectable person, along with other guys in the industry. David Neeleman or Richard Branson just to name a few. In comparison, MOL is just a rude hooligan running an airline at the lowest level which I would never fly unless I have to.


Regards
Udo

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:28:58]

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 15):
Sabena332, what has to happen until you finally bury your hatchet with LH? Your issues with them seem to be somewhat serious, following your posts during recent days ...

In case you didn't notice it, I just quoted Micheal O'Leary and posted a link to the WamS website where the interview with him is visible.

Patrick


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9526 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
I love the way you crowd all get your panties in a bunch when someone mentions MOL.

Guess what ladies....O'Leary is a self-made millionaire. Want to know how he did it? By being loud and not giving a toss what anyone else thinks of him or his airline. That's why people like David Bonderman of Texas Pacific sits on the board of Ryanair, the same guy who has made BILLIONS in the airline industry with people like Continental. Bonderman backs success.

O'Leary employs Sir Beard strategy in self-promotion too. He gets up the noses of people like the Lufthansa and Alitalia suits, and gets millions of free pounds/euros worth of free publicity in the process.

And all the sages of airliners.net wail on about how much of a loser he is...well sorry girls, O'Leary could buy and sell you all with his loose change. And by doing what he does exactly in the way you all think is so wrong, he's made himself and his investors hugely rich.

So who is right?

This is a question of style, character and mentality. It is true, O'Leary earned millions and millions. But is he a honorable person? Sorry, but he isn't! All the money he shoveled he made out of hundreds of people bonded to this great company with stupid contracts. He is squeezing every penny out of every single stewardess. He goes to countries like Poland or Lithuania and tells those young Ladies there how well he is going to pay them somewhat like 1000 Euros a month or whatever if they work as a flight attedant for him. He bonds them with contracts they can't leave earlier than after a certain period, otherwise they need to pay a hell lot of money in their reality. Once they are in England, they can realize that this salary they get is worth three times nothing, they work 14 hours and more and will not even get a free coffee on board, will need to share a two room apartement with 6 others and have a live much worse than before in their home country.
Do you remember how this was called in earlier days? We called it Slaves and everybody has it's big disgrace about. But if a guy without moral who neglects all aspects of fairness shows up, people start to kiss his a....

Why don't you show us an example of a real manager? A gentleman, who runs it's company in the interest of all, with all and finally earning a hell lot of money because everybody is real motivated. My boss is somebody like this. He is not in aviation, but in medical. But finally it doesn't matter, the fact is, he runs a company and he does it in the most respectable manner I only can imagine.

Mike O'Leary is not a respectable person, he is not respecting the individual, is far away from fairness and has no behavior at all.

Let's wait until aviation is screaming again for staff and let's see what happens to "Great MOL". It is quite possible that he will have a kind of a staff problem......  Wink


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
Yes, Udo, there will be a wake-up call, but I predict it will be for the likes of Lufthansa.

No, they have their longhauls and a circle of large business travellers which will keep them profitable.

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
Ryanair is a lot like Southwest and there is really no reason why it will not keep on growing at a healthy clip.

Comparing that crappy airline with Southwest is an insult...

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
Why is it that Europeans instinctively react against entrepreneurs, when that is just what their creaky economies desperately need?

Wow, what a generalization. Give me a Neeleman or a Kelleher anyday, but not that Ripper of Dublin. Btw, better get some info about subsidies Ryanair has been receiving. That's the last company which would help our economy.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9499 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 17):
Herb is a very respectable person, along with other guys in the industry. David Neeleman or Richard Branson just to name a few. In comparison, MOL is just a rude hooligan running an airline at the lowest level which I would never fly unless I have too.

I only can say: I DO AGREE WITH YOU IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT !


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 19):

Well said, Legacy135 (reply 19). And welcome to my RU list.


Regards
Udo

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:26:47]

User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 21):
Quoting Udo (Reply 17):
Herb is a very respectable person, along with other guys in the industry. David Neeleman or Richard Branson just to name a few. In comparison, MOL is just a rude hooligan running an airline at the lowest level which I would never fly unless I have too.

I only can say: I DO AGREE WITH YOU IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT !

I do also on the ascpects of Legacy135 and Udo!!!

regards



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User currently onlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 23):
I do also on the ascpects of Legacy135 and Udo!!!

welcome both to my Respected Users:

cheers



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25 Sabena332 : By the way, I have absolutely no problems with O'Leary's airline. I flew three times on them and all flights were good. Regarding the "airports in the
26 Dhefty : When it comes to subsidies for the airline industry, don't make me laugh. The whole enterprise has been highly subsidized since its inception. And th
27 Leskova : So, in MOL's view, LH has a worse management than OA or AZ? And some people actually take that guy seriously... Yes, he's earned a lot of money - so?
28 Post contains images ZakHH : Patrick, lemme guess: you printed this interview and gave it a special place on your wall of fame, didn't you? Well, what can you say about the interv
29 Post contains images Sabena332 : I even called Fleurop to send flowers to MOL and additionally I replaced the bible in my parent's house (where I am currently) with a Ryanair timetab
30 Udo : Don't make me laugh by mixing up subsidies in aviation in general with specific subsidies Ryanair has been enjoying at European regional airports. Yo
31 Dhefty : He has earned respectability because he has built a successful enterprise that provides a valuable service to millions of people at a price they can
32 Udo : That comment alone shows much of the nonsense he spreads all the time. Regards Udo
33 Legacy135 : I am not sure how highly he would be praised in the US. Those loving the style of "the Osbournes" or how this nice family is called would probably lo
34 Leskova : That's not because entrepreneurs are not highly regarded in Europe - people in Europe simply have a different attitude towards money; especially in G
35 Tatfsn : To all of you who are so worshipful of Mr. O'Leary, I say GO WORK FOR HIM! Better yet, cross your fingers that the organization(s) that you work for a
36 Dhefty : Lack of respect for anyone? What are you talking about? When MOL was recently at the Boeing plant in Everett, he entertained the assembly line worker
37 Post contains images Udo : Very true. I can't remember any opposition against Easyjet, not even in Germany. That sums it up quite well! Regards Udo
38 Post contains images Leskova : That must be one of the worst examples of "showing respect" that I've ever heard of: showing respect by disrespecting another company and their emplo
39 Sabena332 : I don't know how much is FR paying but I can say for sure that the whole airline industry isn't paying much (at least here in Germany). I worked for
40 Avianca : boeing reciprocate this with nearly endow him the new 737 fleet.
41 Finkenwerder : ^ Wake up, your lacking in business experience and knowledge .....! What on earth do you think attracts new business to areas like Lübeck, The sch
42 Avianca : Patrick, I heard other storys, seems that you had a lucky time with FR. regards Andreas
43 Dhefty : Sometimes, to get the free publicity you need, you have to act a bit outrageous. The stuffy "English Gentlemen" of the world are often-times not very
44 Post contains links Sabena332 : Do you know why he did it? Here is a post from fellow A.net member flyAUA (reply 5 of this thread) which should explain it (just replace the word "Sh
45 Post contains images Udo : Read Legacy's posts again, you'll find the answer there. Wow, he bashed Airbus in front of a crowd of Boeing workers. What did you expect them to do?
46 Avianca : with the dumping prices FR pays? german hotels? as posted before mostly taffic is outbound from germany not incoming with foreigen tourists. german t
47 Finkenwerder : So your telling me Lubeck should dump Ryan air. Because it doesn't bring enough revenue to Lubeck ? Hello...... Let me spell it out for you.....This
48 Tatfsn : Sorry, friend, but I think that's a rationalization. Are you saying Ryanair's employees are fools (after all they work for the great Michael O'Leary)
49 Avianca : I am telling you "Luebeck should not lick his a.....e." if FR pays a faire price for getting an adequate service, I see no problems.
50 Mariner : People may say that now, but it wasn't always the case. When I first became conscious of Mr. Kelleher, fifteen years ago, many people treated him wit
51 Sabena332 : What if when they are pleased with their salary? But also unbeatable low fares. I would rather fly FR with no service for 3,99 EUR than LH for 127,99
52 Dhefty : Last time I checked, Ryanair had a market cap that exceeded British Airways and Lufthansa. They must be doing something right. Give MOL some respect!
53 Avianca : the problem is the airports that they are serving. You have to pay for fuel or bus to go from fra to hhn and then flying to girona and than again the
54 Leskova : Which is quite precisely the argument you tried above, and it didn't work there either: why should I, or anyone, respect MOL simply because he earns
55 Dhefty : Well, SW kicks just about everybody. But don't forget that the US airline industry is much, much larger than it is in the EU. For instance SW has 427
56 Pelican : Yep, someone should do so. It is a real problem in Germany that every prime minister of each state thinks he should build 1,2 or 3 regional airports.
57 Sabena332 : I respect him because he is a great businessman. He made air travelling affordable for almost everyone, he is running an airline which is better than
58 Dhefty : OK, Leskova, I'll try to make it real simple for you. Let's say you and your family had a few Euros left over from your hard work and you decided to
59 Avianca : very true post.!
60 Post contains images PADSpot : Oh Yes, I didn't missed that and I wasn't questioning the source or its authenticity. I only got the slight feeling that you take a little bit of con
61 Tatfsn : Thank God!!! I get it guys--the end justifies the means. And with all due respect, to say that his airline is "better" than a lot of full fare airlin
62 Post contains images Sabena332 : Well, LH could offer a decent product in Eco, then my animosity would mitigate a little bit. Nothing is dabatable when Lufthansa is involved, it is f
63 ACDC8 : As much as I like Ryanair, Mr. O'Leary's attitude and PR stunts are starting to get old. The shock factor has worn off for me. It was cute at first, p
64 Beaucaire : If you compare MOL and Mr. Hunold from Air Berlin,it shows that both men have different style but both airlines are successful. I would not fly Ryanai
65 Post contains images BDKLEZ : MO'L's business acumen and controversial style have made him into one of the most recognisable figures of recent times. I have nothing but respect for
66 Leskova : You still don't get it, do you? The answer to that is a clear, unambiguous and resounding no. Making money, even if it's large amounts, has, in my vi
67 Egmcman : Eu Jet didn't work because Manston hasn't got a large population near it and is close to LGW. Aircraft type in the Fokker 100 being possibly the wron
68 Pe@rson : What you have to remember is that you are all doing exactly what he wants: talking about it, spreading the Ryanair name, and so on. If you all despise
69 Olympicbis : To compare Herb Kelleher, David Neeleman and Sir Richard Branson with O' Leary is to insult them ! On one side you have three REAL businessmen and th
70 Jush : Ahh thanks for that comment UDO i totally concur... At least someone here stating my opinion
71 Mhodgson : That shoes a complete lack of respect to a very respectable competitor to Boeing. I'm sure the top Boeing management respect Airbus as a competitor d
72 Post contains images Pe@rson : What I find most funny is that everyone here - who ordinarily base their arguments on thin air or heresy, but not fact - seem to know better than a hi
73 VinceB1117 : Oh boo hoo hoo, Michael O'Leary doesn't like Lufthansa. No Crap! I commend O'Leary, I'd rather be hated for who I am, than liked for who I am not.
74 Dhefty : What I appreciate most about MOL is the fact that he recognizes more than anyone that the airline industry is basically a commodity business. It ther
75 Post contains images Udo : You don't get it: I don't like the way he behaves, acts towards others and the way he treats his employees. Should I fall to the knees and shout "oh
76 Mariner : That would be news to United. Or US Airways. And if the pension lesgislation goes through, that will be news to Delta and Northwest. cheers mariner
77 Dhefty : Yes, Udo, I do think you should get off your high horse and onto your knees once in a while, if only to respect those who have achieved something gre
78 Burnsie28 : And so is telling people they can buy what they need at their vacation destination then leave it there. Or taking out window shades, reclining seats,
79 Post contains links Mariner : Um - but their profit has just gone up. Quite a lot. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...10000102&sid=aYbSuZHPfCzo&refer=uk €70 profit in a quar
80 Dhefty : Au contraire! O'Leary is gradually building a stronger and stronger company by reducing costs and putting the pressure on his competitors. Who needs
81 Burnsie28 : But when you start not allowing check baggage, and no restrooms on some of the longer haul flights. Well.....
82 Post contains images Udo : You don't know anything about me but the lines I write here, so better stop commenting about who I do respect or not in my life. And no, I'm not hidi
83 Legacy135 : Why installing seats at all? In buses you can grab a belt hanging from the ceiling, that should be enough! And those who want to sit down can sit on t
84 Dhefty : No checked bags? Inconvenient, yes. But also a lot quicker to get out of an airport and not having to wait for a bag that many times does not appear
85 Mariner : But that's fine. You don't have to travel that way, it isn't the law. You are, in a free country, free to choose what airline you want to fly. Anothe
86 Post contains images Legacy135 : quite fun to read that as your signature Reading this I'd expect you flying on PrivatAir's BBJ
87 SWISSER : I hope if collueges read this it will be the last time O'leary was served anything on board a long haul flight.
88 Dhefty : Neither of us know anything about the other except what it written here, but probably some things can be inferred by writing styles. I have inferred
89 Sabena332 : Are you serious? When O'Leary pays for the flight, he also paid for the food. That's probably because Airbus had the most suitable products for LH. L
90 SWISSER : Off course not, I point out the fact that he thinks we are not profitable and expects we are all going bankrupt or maybe forgets the Long Haul servic
91 Dhefty : Would you care to tell me how Lufthansa's catering units have more market value than FR's entire market cap?
92 RedChili : Personally, I really hope that Ryanair does not become too successful. The standard of European airlines was better before Ryanair came. And if Ryan b
93 Post contains images Mariner : Nah. I have flown Privat, when someone else was paying. And I once flew on Concorde on my own dime - or gazillion bucks. But I have also flown Southw
94 Post contains images Udo : Funny to hear that from one who didn't read carefully and misquoted me just hours before... Lufthansa don't need that and the majority of other airli
95 Olympicbis : There are many other ways to promote an airline than Mr O' Leary's regular display of lack of education and manners. Ask precisely Branson, or Kelleh
96 Mariner : So - American, and Delta and Continental are captives of Seattle? Yep. That would be right. cheers mariner
97 CRJ900 : I wonder what MOL thinks of SAS then, when he slags off LH...[Edited 2005-08-08 11:35:29]
98 MidnightMike : EasyJet taken over? EasyJet has a very good product and is turning EasyJet into a label, and not just an airline, with their Insurance, ground transp
99 RedChili : When SAS started Snowflake, he said that SAS are idiots, since they are competing with themselves.
100 BHXFAOTIPYYC : MOL loves the publicity. If a German paper is interviewing him he'd say LH is crap; no doubt if a Portuguese paper did he'd have a rant about TAP, and
101 PADSpot : OK, but that doesn't prevent them from being taken over. It just prevents their business model and cost structure from being compared with that of Ry
102 Vfw614 : What can I say - a stupid interview with a self-declared big-mouth has triggered more responses than the crash of an airliner with a dozen or so dead
103 Sabena332 : There you can see that his loudmouth style is very successful, everyone is talking about him and his airline gets more and more famous. Patrick
104 Dhefty : And that pretty much says it all.
105 Post contains images Udo : God alone knows whatever you are talking about... Regards Udo
106 BDKLEZ : That is by no means an accident, he triggers it and we all follow like lambs to the slaughter, with both praise and disdain. But the point is a debat
107 SA7700 : What a productive day you must have had? Posting and cheering on MOL all day long? It is actually a shame he didn't see all your campaigning for FR -
108 Post contains images Udo : I won't forget Ryanair, but they won't come to mind when I need to make a booking... I would say no thanks - unless I also get the 100+ Euro I would
109 SA7700 : My sentiments exactly Udo. You wouldn't get me on a FR jet with a bulldozer and a crane. Rgds SA7700
110 BDKLEZ : MO'L and FR probably wouldn't give a stuff, because there are a lot of folks out there who would opt for Ryanair, and will continue to do so, for ent
111 Post contains images BDKLEZ : Apologies to those outside the UK, the two above companies are private railway operators....
112 Post contains links Legacy135 : Exactly, and there are lots more people out there, thinking the same, number growing! I remember a couple of years ago, many people got the impressio
113 SWISSER : It's more the price tag hanging to the layout and capabilities such kitchens and units have,the retail industry is highly interested in such infrastr
114 SWISSER : But still you land in the middle of nowhere and only if they want to fly you around as cattle when you are with enough fellow pax labeled as cattle t
115 Mariner : What a terrible thing to wish for, just because you don't like Mr. O'leary. mariner
116 Post contains images BDKLEZ : SWISSER: You are very much entitled to your opinions and your own interpretation of the facts of when you believe you have been treated like "cattle"
117 Post contains images BDKLEZ : Come on SWISSER, not got anything to say?
118 SWISSER : Just re-readed the topic after a few hectic days at work! Guys, you point me out that I wish for that an FR aircraft will have an accident... I'am ce
119 BDKLEZ : They will indeed, and that's what they do best. I prefer to call it scaremongering. It ain't news unless it's bad news. This is precisely why I don't
120 YOWza : Could not agree with you more Udo! That doesn't change the fact that he's a tosser. What a number of you are forgeting is that many people don't EVER
121 SWISSER : That is quite simple! *Ryanair does not serve food to save cost *legacy's can't compete with LCC on EY product *legacy's cut costs and catering is ch
122 BDKLEZ : We cannot blame such actions on LCC's, FR, U2, AB and the like have opened up a niche in the market and the way that they choose to do business is a
123 Berlinflyer : MOL gets on my nerves anyway. Sure his bashing in LH is just to get free publicity, what else. But who cares? I didn´t see it was widely notcied in t
124 Post contains links and images MIAspotter : Of course, you will praise Boeing and bash Airbus, specially when Boeing is practically giving away brand-new 738s for nothing, true childish behavio
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