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Gulf Air Considered A345s For The US  
User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

Gulf Air too has said the US will one day feature among its destination offerings, but for now it serves America exclusively through its codeshare agreement with American Airlines, which it offers through London. That situation is unlikely to change in the short term, according to vice president for network, John Shepley, as the carrier simply does not have the fleet to serve the US. Its current long-haul workhorse — the A340-300 — does not have the legs to make the Bahrain-New York hop.

The carrier has explored numerous avenues around this technical constraint, initially with a view towards serving Sydney non-stop (it currently flies to Australia’s largest city via Singapore). Shepley says that the carrier considered taking on some of the A340-500s that Air Canada ordered but never took possession of, but came away from the analysis doubtful that the aircraft could facilitate profitable flying, especially with today’s oil prices. “The aeroplane burns 23% more fuel than the -300, and has considerably less capacity. We just did not think we could get a high enough yield on 240 seats to make any money.”

Even so, Shepley says that the carrier will serve the US, something he says it will have to do to remain competitive in the region. Putting forth 2007 as the likely roll-out date, he says Gulf Air will probably undertake a re-fleeting exercise in the next half year, and that this project will likely see more fuel-efficient aircraft, such as Boeing’s 787 or the Airbus A350, join the company’s stable. He also says that it is possible that a US carrier would fly to Bahrain with the Gulf Air code.

Commenting on the ostensible success of Emirates’ service, he adds: “Adding the US to their route map has much bigger benefits to their network than adding their main hubs will have for ours. Without a connecting complex behind it, it is tough to make those markets work for US carriers.” For his part, Shepley concedes that getting a US codeshare partner to make the long flight to Bahrain will be a tough sell, and that Gulf Air therefore anticipates flying the route itself.

Source: http://www.itp.net/business/features/details.php?id=2754&category=

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Didnt Gulf Air once serve the US with nonstop services from Bahrain to JFK with their own A340s in the late 1990s?

User currently offlineBabaero From Philippines, joined Jan 2002, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
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yes. in 96 Gulf Air used A340s non stop to New York and on some days used 767 via LCA.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Why not just join Skyteam and solve your USA feed challenges via DTW, MSP, ATL, EWR, IAH, etc?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

CO already has an alliance with Emirates...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

What ever happened to their proposed SFO-GVA-BAH service? That was a rumor about 2-3 years ago. It would be nice to see GF flying back to the US though.

-Copa


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

I thought that LCA services were on Airbus?

Didn't GF also serve IAH...or was that KU...or someone else even?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
Didn't GF also serve IAH...

IIRC, they flew JFK-IAH as a tag on to the BAH-LCA-JFK service (so BAH-LCA-JFK-IAH).

-Copa


User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
IIRC, they flew JFK-IAH as a tag on to the BAH-LCA-JFK service (so BAH-LCA-JFK-IAH).

-Copa

Yup...BA handled GF at IAH, AA at JFK. It was a GF/CY codeshare (at least from JFK to LCA).

C.



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User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 3):
Why not just join Skyteam and solve your USA feed challenges via DTW, MSP, ATL, EWR, IAH, etc?

Actually why not join oneworld? GF already has an established relationship with AA and QF.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
CO already has an alliance with Emirates...

So what? That does not mean CO could not hook up with GF. Airline alliances are not written in stone, they can change and partner up with whoever they feel is best.

Besides if Emirates has a pact with United, why can't CO partner with another Arabian carrier?

SR 103


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

Quoting GF-A330 (Thread starter):
some of the A340-500s that Air Canada ordered but never took possession of

Just for the record, it ought to be reiterated that Air Canada only ordered two A340-500s and they did take possession of both. Shepley must be referring to the period when they sat in northern France fully painted in AC colours but with an uncertain future. He makes it sound like AC ordered lots of A345s which they never subsequently took. (Yes, I know about the three A340-600s but that isn't what he was talking about. They have not been built whereas the A345s were.)


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