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How Are Cockpit Visits Arranged?  
User currently offlineToering From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Rare no doubt, but how in the wide world do some people gain access into the cabin while in flight, and then take photos on top of it?


Do you just ask the crew if you can go up front or what? I know I'm lacking testicular fortitude to do anything like that!
So whats the secret?

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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting Toering (Thread starter):
So whats the secret?

Fly a non-US and non-British airline (best would be Air France), try to get in contact with F/As, tell them about your hobby so that they trust you (in case of AF: learn some French words). Probably ask them about a cockpit visit after landing - could all help you.
Oh, night flight is better than day flight, as less people would see you going forward.


Good luck!


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting Toering (Thread starter):
So whats the secret?

If it's a US carrier and you are not part of the crew, there is no secret- NO WAY!! It won't happen!!!

mtnman



I do, I don't, whatever.......
User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

Fly with BonairExpress (CuracaoExpress), the cockpit door is always open (ATR-42).

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

So what's the secret?

There is no secret. At least here in the US unless your on a VERY short list of FAA Approved personal, NO ONE is permitted in the cockpit while in flight. This question gets asked some many times here on A.net it's not even funny anymore......especially post 9-11-01.

As for taking the photos...don't forget pilot have hobbies too..!! I know several flight crews that are avid photographers..and thus as pilots, have cockpit access and jumpseat access.

[Edited 2005-08-06 21:58:54]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

I dont think posting these secrets on the internet is a wise idea no matter what country you are in.....There are alot of people out there trying to find a way of some sort and you are all showing them how to's.


I HAATE AA!
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

I have suggested this whole thread be deleted...been discussed before and is also not appropriate.


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1428 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

I/My Dad told the FA like 5 different time back in 1997 to go visit KLM 747 cockpit on our flight to CCS, they told me first class was sleeping so I couldn't

But your best bet would be to fly a non US carrier. US carriers won't allow you to visit while on flight, here is our strict things are, if the pilot needs to use the restroom or for some reason the cockpit door needs to be open, the FA will block the aisle with her cart and if you stand up you'll be told to sit down.



ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

Thelowfarehero said....
"I dont think posting these secrets on the internet is a wise idea no matter what country you are in.....There are alot of people out there trying to find a way of some sort and you are all showing them how to's."

SPREE34 throwing a "bullshit flag" on this.
What secerets? What "how tos"? You write as though the bad guys are some bunch of ignorant know nothings who need our ideas to plan their next crime. Get real. Stop drinking the George Bush Koolaide, think about what YOU are saying and posting. Every time someone thinks or speaks in the manner you have here it's proof their mission was a success.
Agghhhh!! I feel a rant coming on. Land of the free, home of the brave.....yeah........right.....whatever.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5261 times:

By the way. Have you noticed this is an international forum? They still have a lot of the freedoms/privileges Americans have lost. Being able to ride in a jumpseat is one of them.

trying very hard not to rant.....really....I am



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 6):
I dont think posting these secrets on the internet is a wise idea no matter what country you are in.....There are alot of people out there trying to find a way of some sort and you are all showing them how to's.



Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 7):
I have suggested this whole thread be deleted...been discussed before and is also not appropriate.

Paranoia does really stink sometimes...  melting 


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Been in the cockpit twice (both times LH, both well before 2001). I simply asked for it. Told the F/A that I was interested in flying and aircrafts, and that I would love to see the cockpit. They went and asked the captain, and both times, I was invited to the cockpit only a couple of minutes later.

The 1st time, I stayed in the cockpit for almost the whole flight (HAM - HEL, 2 hours), chatting with the pilot and the FO. Even had my meal in the cockpit, that was really one great flight experience. They only asked me to go back to my seat 10 minutes before landing.

The 2nd time was shorter, but also fun. It was my first flight on a Canadair CL600, and the captain (former German Airforce captain) was really one cool chap. When approaching some loose cloud formations, he gave me a demonstration of the aircraft's handling by flying kind of a slalom between them (which was not all to the liking of some pax...   ).

Anyway, concerning your question, I can just confirm what has been written before. Simply ask for it.

(Edited for typos.)

[Edited 2005-08-06 22:44:02]

User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting Spree34: By the way. Have you noticed this is an international forum? They still have a lot of the freedoms/privileges Americans have lost. Being able to ride in a jumpseat is one of them.
_________________________________________

True. And I have a feeling that if 4 of Frances plane's were flown into the Eiffel Tower, or 4 of Italy's planes were flown into the leaning tower of Pisa, you'd probably see the same privileges lost in those countries! You act like flying jumpseat is a right set forth by the Constitution. 9/11 sucked. Not getting to ride jumpseat sucks. Not having had any more planes fly into buildings killing thousands of people has not sucked.



wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

First off, i cant stand BUSH, second it isn't just an american problem anymore. Im not only referring to terrorists, but some psychotic suicidal/homicidal maniacs that are out in our world. A few years back some dude on a WN flight lost it, tried to kick down the cockpit door and he was beaten to death. Now if he were reading this forum, some of you would have given him the blueprints to accomplishing that with out having to force his way in. So check yourself buddy, because some big talker like you would probably be the first to pee their pants when your flight was hijacked.


I HAATE AA!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12111 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5164 times:
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On NZ apparantly you have more chance of a cockpit visit while on a turbo-prop then jet. I have scored thou a jump seat ride for the whole trip from AKL-WLG last year on NZ. The pilot even announced during hig normal announcement before take off that I was flying jump seat

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:14:08]

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Just so everyone knows.....Rules to access the cockpit have not changed post 9-11. Unauthorized access has been denied for something like 30+ years. I think in the US it dates to Hijack frezy from the early 1970's.

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:33:19]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
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Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 6):
I dont think posting these secrets on the internet is a wise idea no matter what country you are in.....There are alot of people out there trying to find a way of some sort and you are all showing them how to's.



Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 7):
I have suggested this whole thread be deleted...been discussed before and is also not appropriate.

Oh please....

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
Paranoia does really stink sometimes...

Well said.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
Just so everyone knows.....Rules to access the cockpit have not changed post 9-11. Unauthorized access has been denied for something like 30+ years. I think in the US it dates to Hijack frezy from the early 1970's.

[Edited 2005-08-06 23:33:19]

Good point - many think that 9/11 is the reason for everything and its not so. And, those that have enjoyed a visit to the front office while an airliner is in flight were very luck and fortunate as most airlines and/or the crews are very careful and generally do not allow cockpit visits while in flight.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Quoting KabAir (Reply 13):
Not having had any more planes fly into buildings killing thousands of people has not sucked.

As if these hijackers were invited to the cockpit by the pilots...  Yeah sure


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Thelowfarehero speaks more...
"but some psychotic suicidal/homicidal maniacs that are out in our world."
Yes, they are out there. They will always be out there. We should stop our lives because of them?

"tried to kick down the cockpit door and he was beaten to death."

Actually in the autopsy (facts) I think his death was medication related, however, I am in favor of beating to death anyone following his course of action.


"some of you would have given him the blueprints to accomplishing......"

Again, he was flipped because of medication and probably couldn't say the word blueprint.


"So check yourself buddy, because some big talker like you would probably be the first to pee their pants when your flight was hijacked."

Ok, checking myself....hum, "big talker", I'll have to mull that one over a bit. No bladder control issues yet, maybe when I'm older. I haven't been hijacked yet either, but don't see any logic in urinating on myself if it were to occur. I have been in a couple of other life threatening situations, twice in airplanes strangely enough. I didn't urinate then either.

So. What's really bugging you?



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineTIMEAIR From Canada, joined May 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Some people just don't get it...what is left unsaid is better...


I WOULDN'T MAKE SUGGESTIONS HERE.....U NEVER KNOW WHO IS LURKING AROUND OUT THERE!


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You can't get there from here.
User currently offlineToering From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Well, I certainly didn't expect this thread to become a hate thread. I just wanted to point out that me posting this thread was not to pick up tricks on how to get into the cockpit and do something bad! Some of you need to chill out!!!!! I'm not going to delete this thread because a few of you feel I should. I don't see anything wrong with asking a stinken question. If I wanted to figure out how to get in and hijack a plane I would post something on a terrorist forum. At any rate, I found that it was interesting that what appears to be non crew members are in the cockpit taking pictures, that is why I posted the thread. Sorry I'm retarded when it comes to computers, hence the error on the pictures. Thank you for those who had something civil to say, and didn't make a federal case over this thread, and a special thank you to the international posters who seem to understand the question a little bit better than our U.S. friends.

User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Toering,
You've got nothing to be sorry for. Post away. Enjoy A.Net.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineSergeant655 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

isn't the highjacking frenzy of the 1970's is where Airport security came from and it has grown now after 9/11 to the TSA and their many shoe carnivals at various airports and the 3 ring circus you can find at DEN, SEA and the UA terminal at SFO

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
This question gets asked some many times here on A.net it's not even funny anymore......especially post 9-11-01.



Quoting Toering (Thread starter):
have suggested this whole thread be deleted...been discussed before and is also not appropriate.

THEN DON"T CLICK ON THE THREAD!

Quoting Thelowfarehero (Reply 6):
dont think posting these secrets on the internet is a wise idea no matter what country you are in.....There are alot of people out there trying to find a way of some sort and you are all showing them how to's.



Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 21):
Some people just don't get it...what is left unsaid is better...


I WOULDN'T MAKE SUGGESTIONS HERE.....U NEVER KNOW WHO IS LURKING AROUND OUT THERE!

You guys aren't serious are you?

Quoting Toering (Thread starter):
Do you just ask the crew if you can go up front or what? I know I'm lacking testicular fortitude to do anything like that!
So whats the secret?

No secret really, just ask a cabin attendant on your flight and there should be no problem (depending on the airline). Best time is if you're on a long-haul flight and you ask during mid-flight such as on a trans-atlantic, that way the flight crew is not as busy and most enjoy a bit of company.

Enjoy A.net!



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
25 Starlionblue : Oh give it up. If you're a terrorist there are plenty of ways of getting info. Do we really have to stifle freedom of speech here? This forum is not
26 GoBoeing : As for this discussion giving hijackers information they didn't have...you've got to be kidding. Basically the cockpit jumpseat is restricted to these
27 Post contains images Sonic67 : I was once was invited by the pilot into the cockpit of a Condor DC-10 when on my way to Germany almost 25 years ago. I spent almost an hour ask the c
28 EMBQA : Basically the cockpit jumpseat is restricted to these people Actually, Airline Interns are not approved under the FAR that governs cockpit access. Lic
29 777ER : What really annoys me the most and I'm sure heaps of a.netters would easily agree is other members who are sellfish and so aragant (I won't name names
30 CALPilot : Sorry EMBRQ thats not totally correct. Flight Ops interns can, and are approved by a Corporate Officer, like the V.P. of Flight Ops. to access the co
31 GoBoeing : Quoting EMBQA in #29 (sorry my computer won't let me use the a.net quote) Actually, Airline Interns are not approved under the FAR that governs cockpi
32 EMBQA : Interns are approved under 121.547 (a) (1) as an extra crewmember 121.547..yup, typo...just came back from the pub. § 121.547 Admission to flight dec
33 FLFlyGuy : As far as flight deck access goes, you've left out an important group: flight attendants. We cannot "jumpseat" in the cockpit for the entire flight, b
34 GoBoeing : EMBQA #33 Ah, NO. That is talking about the Pilot, Co-Pilot and Flight Engineer assigned to fly THAT flight...Period.!! Interns may be allowed under a
35 Goldenshield : Close but no cigar. Dispatchers actually have unlimited access on their own carrier, and limited access on carriers that have can verify us (CASS, or
36 Post contains links VirginFlyer : There is an existing thread on this subject: Airliner Cockpit Visit Rare Or Still Possible? (by AirOrange Aug 3 2005 in Civil Aviation) V/F
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