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Remembering Aces - Colombia  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Dear friends,
Today I checked the forums, the archive, I googled it, yahooed, check the AV bulletins, tried the old web sites :Aces.aero y acescolombia.com.co and nothing.. practically nothing about that wonderful airline that brought so many improvements to the Colombian Airline industry. Her name is rememberd just as the company who merged with Avianca and then fell into bankruptcy.



I need your help to create a webpage to "Remember Aces". Her history, milestones, anecdotes and stories, her great service, her innovation in programs or anything that you guys want to add. Please anything will be welcomed, I haven't been able to find good info on the web and that make me very sad..

I hope you share this feeling with me.



This is the ONLY info I have found about our ACES on the web:

ACES - Aerolineas Centrales de Colombia - was formed in August 1971 with regional scheduled services starting in February 1972 from Medellin. First services were with Saunders-ST-27, modified Herons, flying to Bogota. By 1976 further domestic services to smaller destinations were also being flown and DHC-6 Twin Otters were purchased for this operation.
1981 saw the introduction of jets: Boeing 727-100s. They allowed for longer routes to be flown.
In 1987 the modified Herons were replaced by Fokker F-27s.
1991 saw a complete fleet change put into action to support the now wide domestic route network. The Fokker Friendships were replaced with modern ATR 42 twins and the aging series 100 Boeing 727s were replaced with newer series 200Advanced types, with further 727s being leased in the mid 1990s.
ACES Colombia took on freight services from the mid 1990s when the airline won postal contracts. Toward the end of the 1990s Airbus A320 jets were leased to replace the now aging 727s and a new livery was introduced with them.
During 2002 a merger with Avianca took place: Alianza Summa became the new name for AVIANCA, SAM, & Aces (Colombia) with the aim to cooperate, to fight foreign competion and declining traffic. Summa, made up by ACES, Avianca and the smaller SAM, was owned 50-50 by Colombia's National Coffee Federation and magnate Julio Mario Santo Domingo. The group was formed in an agreement between the federation, which owned ACES, and Santo Domingo, who controlled Avianca and SAM.
09Jun03: Colombia's Aces airline is returning 8 short-range 47-seat ATR-42 propeller aircraft to leasing companies under parent group Alianza Summa's broad reorganization plan, Summa announced.
ACES' fleet had shriveled to 5 planes from 17 by the time operations were suspended. The airline lost $9 million in the first four months of the year, taking its liabilities to $76 million at the end of April 2003.


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

I remember travelling with them nearly 20years ago from mde to adz with a B727 and 14 years ago eoh capurgana on the DHC-6... it was great..


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Yeah. I used their twin otters, ATR-42s, Boeing 727s and Airbus 320s. I can't forget when they launched the flights to MIA on the 727s and the entire plane was business class, what a treat was that... I guess I have one of their menus stored on my parent's house in Bogota.s


I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

oh and i forgot, I used once the Fairchild F27....from eoh to quibdó (I think)...
I will search my sorces, maybe I will find some informations for you...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation ?

User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

I flew with them to UIB, Nuquí, Capurganá and BOG with their ATR-42s, Twin Otters and A320s (never made it to the 727), it's a pity they're no longer here.

I was at MDE when the last flight landed, and also the day after that when the name Aces was being covered in the A320 (at that time the first MD-80 for West Caribbean was arriving). It was a pretty sad situation I had to witness.
I was at EOH when the last ATR flight arrived and made an intentional missed approach and then got the water salute

Now there have passed almost two years since they're gone, some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan, some with smaller Colombian Airlines, one (Marta Pabón) is with Air Arabia, lots unemployed. Same thing with the employees...

I can only remember now the long file of Twin Otters in the early morning at EOH and the way they returned one after the other the same way they departed and how happy I was when I witnessed that thing (I'm happy watching any plane anyways, but that sort of formation we saw everyday at EOH was something special)...

*sigh*
I think you might be interested on visiting this page:

http://www.acesodeshaces.com/

[Edited 2005-08-07 00:11:51]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan

how they find the link to India?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation?

Ever since the Alianza Summa was created and finalised, I can assure there have been enough talks to feed a whole soap opera.

To make a long story short, ACES basically had its own list of serious financial problems which drove them to join Avianca in the alliance. ACES' problems back then were no better than those of Avianca, with the slight difference that ACES knew how to manage its public image the right way, and did not let customer service be affected by this negative situations.

When the disaster Summa came to an end, it was decided that the Avianca brand, which was much more solid and had way more tradition and international recognition, was going to be kept, and ACES got shut-down.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
I allways asked myself, why it was sold to AV and the Alianza Summa was formed. Can someone please explain me that period in Colombian aviation ?

Aces wasn't sold to Avianca, both of them were on the verge of disappearance and had some sort or merger in order to survive, but things didn't go as planed and even though I don't think Avianca was "guilty" for Aces disappearance, VX had the worst part, first having to discontinue the The ATR-42 use (it was on July the 6th 2003 if I'm not mistaken) and then going bankrupt altogether (on August the 23rd 2003 if I'm not mistaken again). At that the Alianza Summa didn't offer the promised excellent service, in fact there was a general disorder and lots of things were really a mess. Lots of jobs were lost, first on Aces reduction, then on its complete Bankruptcy and then on Avianca's process.
In general it's remembered as a dark time for Colombian Aviation. In the end it didn't help Avianca that much (except for wiping out their strongest competitor), as they had to undergo the C-11 as we all know.

There are several opinions regarding it, some say Avianca killed Aces, some say Aces was already dead, some say some things should have been done some way, some say that things had to be done the other way.

This is of course a very small summary of all the things that happened in that period, and I think some members will be glad to expand what I've said here and give us more facts.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
how they find the link to India?

I don't know exactly but I read somewhere that one Aces Pilot found a job with them (don't know how) and the people at Air Deccan were impressed with his (or her?) performance and attitude towards his (or her?) job. So they sent a representative to Colombia to interview some other Aces Pilots which were of course unemployed because of the bankruptcy, the interviews were satisfactory and more Aces Pilots went to Air Deccan, where they are nowadays.

Don't quote me on that, I don't really remember but I think it happened some way like that.

[Edited 2005-08-07 00:37:36]


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
*sigh*
I think you might be interested on visiting this page:

http://www.acesodeshaces.com/

ohhh man.. THANKS! Thats the kind of page I wanted to find.. that's it, that is the kind page I was planning to create..
Don't laugh but I have watery eyes listening to the ACES music...

Maybe I do it anyway.. we'll see... in the meantime I am thinking in buying a domain name something like foryouaces.com or rememberaces.com something like that and I will link them to this website http://www.acesodeshaces.com/.

Thanks again...



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 9):
I don't know exactly but I read somewhere that one Aces Pilot found a job with them (don't know how) and the people at Air Deccan were impressed with his (or her?) performance and attitude towards his (or her?) job. So they sent a representative to Colombia to interview some other Aces Pilots which were of course unemployed because of the bankruptcy, the interviews were satisfactory and more Aces Pilots went to Air Deccan, where they are nowadays.

wow, this poor guys should have even more problems to find some nice arepas or empanadas in india than i am in germany  Smile



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Why are good things slowly going from this world?

User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):
Why are good things slowly going from this world?

I know.. is sad... i am so sad listening to the Aces music. I remember that they use to play it very soft on the planes while you were boarding.. damn!

BTW 757MDE did you buy the book? If so, is it good?



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 10):
ohhh man.. THANKS! Thats the kind of page I wanted to find.. that's it, that is the kind page I was planning to create..
Don't laugh but I have watery eyes listening to the ACES music...

You're welcome dude!
I'm not laughing, I had the very same reaction when I first visited that page.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
wow, this poor guys should have even more problems to find some nice arepas or empanadas in india than i am in germany Smile

I bet he is!
But the love for Aviation is stronger.
I read some chronicle somewhere as well, some Aces Pilot said adapting to life in Bangalore was hard, but not as hard he'd have thought, that India somehow suffers from the same bad press that we suffer here in Colombia, and that life there is way nicer than he thought. He said that he of course misses Colombia lots, but Airplanes come first!


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Some on Aces history taken from the Tampa Cargo 30th anniversary magazine:
*(Tampa Cargo, Aces, and SAM were founded by the same man, Luis H. Coulson "El Abuelo", in the Tampa Cargo history they also say some things about Aces, SAM, and their respective foundations)*


Said by Jorge Coulson, Luis H. Coulson's son and first Aces manager (with translation by me, sorry for any eventual errors!):

"... by those years two Aviation companies existed in Medellín: Cessnyca and Aerotaxi.
In 1970 a brother-in-law of mine had had problems in Aviation with Cessnyca and didn't want to work anymore. So he proposed me to buy some planes and begin a new Aviation company, the same way my dad had done some years ago. Then, the four of us (Hernán Zuluaga, Fabio Ortega, my father and me) joined forces and every one invested 5000 pesos each. I had a really clear idea on how a company that was to compete on short haul transport with the two existing companies should be. We made factibility studies, sought for different kinds of Planes and founded Aces, Aerolíneas Centrales de Colombia in 1971. We got to find 13 interested partners; We had 62% and the other partners had the remaining percentage.

Aces was an Anonymous Society since the beginning, its founders were:
Jorge Coulson and company, Ricardo Coulson representing our father Luis H. Coulson, Industria Colombo-Alemana de Machetes, Industria Colombiana de Camisas, José de Jesús Restrepo, Destilados Agrícolas, Fernando Cadavid, Colombit S.A de Manizales, Rodrigo Toro S., Gustavo Castro, Arango Rudd and company, Fabio Ortega Castaño, Germán Buitrago Montes, Aldo Serani, Josué Montoya A., Christian Puerta, Felipe Henker, Maria Vargas, Guillermo Henríquez Gallo and Jairo Castillo R.

We wanted to search for more direct routes to shorten distances between Airports.
We explored to possible new routes to start in Colombia and the worldwide possibilities in the short-range Airplanes market. The plane we wanted was the Twin Otter, but it was so expensive we couldn't buy it and found another option: The Saunders. I travelled to Canada with the advice of expert Pilots, with lots of experience in order to make a real test of flight in the plane and I liked it. We made the deal and the Pilot who adviced me bought the first one to Colombia himself. So, Aces began they comercial operations on February the 22nd 1972.

In the same year, Aerotaxi stopped operations and so did Cessnyca some time after the first because they couldn't compete because they had little Airplanes like Cessnas and we had bigger and faster Airplanes, we had a big advantage over them already.

I remember with lots of love being the first manager at Aces. My responsability was to bring it into operation and when it was settled, up and running I gave it to the new manager and we sold our percentage in 1975. By those times, I was in a whole new great project: TAMPA, our new Colombian Freighter Airline.
..."



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
BTW 757MDE did you buy the book? If so, is it good?

I haven't bought it, but it must have interesting contents. AFAIK the guy that wrote it knows what he's talking about.



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User currently offlineWimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
Quoting 757MDE (Reply 5):
some of their Pilots are with Air Deccan
how they find the link to India?

757MDE, Avianca etc;

Here some nice info on Ex ACES employees:


Gulf News: Colombian is first woman pilot to join UAE airline.
16 June 2005 Gulf News - English - 16 June 2005


Martha Pabon, a Colombian, is the first female pilot to be employed by a UAE-based airline, said an official of Air Arabia, a Sharjah-based budget airline.

"Air Arabia welcomed on-board the first female pilot to fly for a UAE airline. With over a decade of flying experience, 29-year-old Flight Officer Martha Pabon has totalled almost 5,000 hours of flying time," an airline statement said.

"I am really excited about being the first woman pilot here. Air Arabia shows their pioneering spirit in all levels this is just one example. I am really proud and grateful that Air Arabia gave me this opportunity and look forward to working with more woman pilots here," she told Gulf News.

This is Pabon's first assignment in the Middle East. She earlier worked for ACES Airlines in Colombia.

"For some of the pilots I flew with since June 12 [her first flight in the UAE was on June 12, Sharjah Doha-Sharjah], it was the first time they flew with a woman pilot so it was an interesting experience for them too. Airport staff were surprised when they found out that I am a pilot, but they all congratulated me," Pabon said.

"Before I came to the UAE, I was a little worried about the cultural differences, but everyone respects others and this is a pretty multi-cultural society so I am really happy.

"I know I will grow as a professional in Air Arabia. And being in the UAE and knowing and learning about so many different people and cultures I will grow as a person too."




By the way my only flights with ACES where on the BOG-MZL-BOG route on one of their ATR-42's. What a nice time it was!

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Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):
He said that he of course misses Colombia lots, but Airplanes come first!

I respect that, but in my case, my first passion is Colombia itself.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):
Some on Aces history taken from the Tampa Cargo 30th anniversary magazine:
*(Tampa Cargo, Aces, and SAM were founded by the same man, Luis H. Coulson "El Abuelo", in the Tampa Cargo history they also say some things about Aces, SAM, and their respective foundations)*


Said by Jorge Coulson, Luis H. Coulson's son and first Aces manager (with translation by me, sorry for any eventual errors!):

Very interesting, thanks a lot..!



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4390 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4465 times:

Oh, Aces.

My first flight was on VX. Of course i dont remember but it was BOG-MZL-BOG on Twin Otter to visit the Manizales branch of my family in 1990.

Then, in October 2002, with Alianza Summa just created, i flew BOG-AXM-BOG on ATR-42 for an exposition my dog (Bullmastiff) had in Panaca.

The last flight i mtook was in July 11 of 2003, BOG-FLL-BOG, an A320. That was the last full month of operation for the airline. We went to Ft. Lauderdale for vacation in a friends house who lent it to us. (we dont like MIA)

Then, August 26 of 2003, the Aces fleet was grounded in BOG and MDE and went back to Europe some days later. It is now flying for Wizzair.

BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees

Yep.. I am planning to do a simple and objective page, a tribute to ACES and her wonderful service. A page to remember one of the best chapters of Colombian aviation.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineMATURRO727 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4447 times:

Hey.


I agree with all you guys, aces was(for me at least) the best of the best although I flew with them 4 times but those were very special and unforgettable times for me.

They had the best onboard service, the most polite and professional cabin crew, the cleanest airplanes, modern fleet, lots of destinations etc. That's what i mean the best o the best!!!

a low end for high airline.

FLY HIGH ACES !!! "por el respeto"


MATURRO727


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 17):
I respect that, but in my case, my first passion is Colombia itself.

I love this country but in my case, I'd act the same way the Aces Pilot did, be it in India or anywhere else.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 18):
BTW; The site is very extremist. It´s obvious it is from resented VX employees.

Could be, but just put yourself on their butts... they didn't do that because of sake of doing it!



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User currently offlineAirplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Speaking about female pilots,
I remember a female captain for the Aces A320. I often rented cars in Miami for the crew, including her. She was such a nice person, and her crew always spoke nothing but great things about her.

Funny thing, one time the whole crew rented from me a minivan to go shopping, and they all got lost in the Dolphin Mall in Miami, they were so late and upset. I drove them back to the hotel so they can put on their uniforms. I waited for them by the lobby, and it was 45 minutes prior to schedule departure. They came down rushing with their uniforms almost half way on and the clothes and the shopping not packed yet. It was hilarious how desperate they were.
Of course no one showered or combed their hairs, it was like 98 degrees that day and everyone was sweating like hell.

On the ride to the airport everyone was blaming it on each other. LOL !
We arrived at the airport 15 minutes prior to departure.

I guess it all turned out ok.



The sky´s the limit
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
Speaking about female pilots,

I am not sure if she was the same that took me a couple of time to MIA. The best landings that I ever had.

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
It was hilarious how desperate they were.

Of course they were, they were ACES crew, they had "Respect" for the travelers. (When I quote/unquote the word Respect, is because it was the slogan of Aces and not on the typical Ironic sense)

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
FLY HIGH ACES !!! "por el respeto"



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting Airplane (Reply 22):
Speaking about female pilots,

I once had a female Twin Otter captain take me from Capurgan� to Medell�n - Olaya Herrera. It was back in 1993 but I remember it like yesterday, she was so friggin cute!
I remember we entered the Aburr� Valley (where Medell�n is) and there was this strong rain so the landing was really hard (landings when the runway is wet have to be hard)...



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25 Post contains images Legacy135 : Are you sure? ..........
26 757MDE : I am! believe me!
27 AV757 : After reading the book in my humble opinion it is very biased; and since I lived through the tragedy of Alianza Summa as an AV 757/767 pilot and havin
28 RICARIZA : Thanks for the info AV757
29 Airplane : Where have you been MR. ?? welcome back, JP
30 Luisde8cd : What I remember about aces: They used to fly from BAQ and CTG to CCS. They flew charters into PUJ from BOG. A320s. I remember that the Bogota girl I h
31 RCS763AV : They werent charters.
32 757MDE : As RCS763AV said they were not charters, they were scheduled services with the 727s and then A320s, AV keeps that flight nowadays (but I think with r
33 SOUTHAMERICA : They did operate many charters to Punta Cana, especially sold under the company's own Planes Naranja, but most of the time the flights were regular.
34 RCS763AV : Santa Barbara flew to MAR not CCS from BAQ. VX never operated from the coast to CCS, they only did it from BOG.
35 757MDE : Yeah... how could I've forgotten those 727s in the MDE morning! And also Rutaca which had a very strange operation from MDE to CCS and PMV (and maybe
36 PRAirbus : It's a shame ACES is gone. I thought they had a bright future when they got their A320s...too bad.
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