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Christchurch Airport Plans NZ$220M Upgrade  
User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

This article appeared in yesterday's The Press (Christchurch's newspaper):

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3368925a13,00.html

The gist of it is that the airport is going to announce a major building and expansion project within the next 4-6 weeks. It is expected the international terminal will be expanded further, and the domestic terminal will be completely rebuilt. There is some discussion in the article about the runways, however the airport has previously stated that the current runway complex will be able to handle the predicted traffic for the next 40 to 50 years, so I would take that with a grain of salt.

Christchurch Airport's website has a section about their master planning. I guess we're not going to find out much more until they make the big announcement though:

http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz/airport/master_plan/

I must say that the timing of this report appearing in the paper is interesting, given there is really nothing new to report at this stage. I guess it is in reaction to Wellington's announcement last week.

It will be good to see Christchurch do something with the domestic terminal - the international terminal is a superb facility, and hopefully the new domestic terminal will be able to complement it properly.

V/F


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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Wow I certainly like the announcement from across the "dutch" . . . first WLG, now CHC.

I agree about the domestic term at CHC, it isn't that brilliant and nowhere near as good as the international.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

I found the CHC International lterminal quite nice when I walked through about 3 years ago. I no they have expanded it since.

CHC added 4 new gates just a couple of years ago, so good to see them doing well.

I wonder if EK has any plans to fly the A380 to CHC?

Now for AKL to actually do something properly rather than add these stupid little peaces in bit by bit, AKL is like a Jigsaw. Hopefully NZ will build their own Domestic and International Terminal combined in a few years anyway.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
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I have to agree that the CHC domestic is in major need of being re-built. Why didn't CHC add on the extra International gates that they now predict that they will need when the terminal was added onto. Hope CHC leave the viewing platform there, or extend it a bit towards the runway so we can get excellent views of the furthest international gate. Anyone know if CHC has been planning adding on to the International terminal even thou it had 4 gates added on recently?

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Great to see CHC expanding. Yes I do agree that the domestic wing should be brought up to the same level as the International area. Lets hope they keep the great viewing deck as well.
I wish the next announcement will be that the AKL domestic terminal will be knocked down and rebuilt completely. That is a real embarrasment, especially being the domestic hub for the country.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4640 times:
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AKL domestic terminal will be knocked down and rebuilt completely. That is a real embarrasment, especially being the domestic hub for the country. Actually I think WLG is the domestic hub due to more domestic flights then AKL and CHC, although I'm not totally sure. Not sure where I saw the figures

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

I was just reading on another forum that part of the upgrade will involve the ability to handle the A380 (I'd suspect more for the sake of diversions from AKL than the real expectation of A380 services to CHC...).

Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Anyone know if CHC has been planning adding on to the International terminal even thou it had 4 gates added on recently?

I wonder whether the journalist is getting confused when they say the international terminal will be expanded - the fact that the domestic terminal was going to be redeveloped was announced at around the same time as the expansion of the international terminal.

Quoting Gardermoen (Reply 4):
I wish the next announcement will be that the AKL domestic terminal will be knocked down and rebuilt completely.

Well, with these high-profile upgrades from WLG and CHC, Auckland does risk looking a bit behind. How much that actually matters, I don't know, but the present domestic terminal is pretty woeful. Hopefully any new terminal will be integrated with the international terminal (proably to the north of it, especially if the 2nd runway gets built), sort of like at Christchurch and Wellington (and Melbourne over on this side of the Tasman). But this is really an issue for another discussion.

Back to the topic at hand, given the negative reaction to Wellington spending $76 million, I wonder what Air New Zealand will have to say about Christchurch spending $220 million?

V/F



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4621 times:
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I was just reading on another forum that part of the upgrade will involve the ability to handle the A380 (I'd suspect more for the sake of diversions from AKL than the real expectation of A380 services to CHC...) I thought with the last upgrade CHC had, it was now able to handle A380s

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Apart from a spruce up inside, I don't really see the need for CHC to do much to its domestic facilities. I think they're generally pretty good, especially when compared to the dreadful situation in Auckland.

Though I have been at CHC when every single domestic gate has been occupied, so an expansion of sorts is probably a good idea. Their international facility is excellent, the best in the country, though they already have more gates than Auckland so I doubt they'll need to expand further in that area.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 6):
I was just reading on another forum that part of the upgrade will involve the ability to handle the A380 (I'd suspect more for the sake of diversions from AKL than the real expectation of A380 services to CHC...).

I think you hit that nail on the head. Though also a possibility for flights from Japan being operated by "one" of the superjumbos in the future.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
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Didn't CHC say that they were struggling to even get new airlines to CHC. Would JQs announcement have any impact on this announcement

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Well, with all the carriers that are just going to flock to Wellington now, I guess life's just been made a lot harder for CHC

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 10):
Well, with all the carriers that are just going to flock to Wellington now, I guess life's just been made a lot harder for CHC

Such as????


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Just that WLG won't be able to take the size of some a/c like CHC can. I'm sure that companies like MY would think about CHC first. Taking a 777 to WLG is a horrible idea, not knowing how much you could lose from this.


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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4466 times:

Oh I absolutely agree that the idea of WLG getting long haul flights is an absolute joke. I was trying to be sarcastic above  Smile

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Last time I was at the CHC Air NZ domestic terminal (not too long ago), they had expanded the small cafe downstairs slightly. They had also added heaps of room and seating, if not too much, upstairs in the departure area. The check in facilities have also doubled. A hell of a lot more work is still needed, but then again it's not as bad as the AKL airnz domestic terminal.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
I thought with the last upgrade CHC had, it was now able to handle A380s

Gate-wise, yes, but I'm not sure if they need to do anything with the runway.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 14):
Gate-wise, yes, but I'm not sure if they need to do anything with the runway.

So did CHC have gates ready for an A380 before AKL did?? Why haven't AKL or CHC included the double airbridges in their airports?? I believe that this is crucial for loading and unloading the A380.



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User currently offlineKiwi Dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

I thought that with CHC the runways would have already been ready for the A380 since CHC has had a number of C-5 movements in the past, unless of course the A380 has a wider wingspan than the C-5.
Good news about the upgrade.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting Kiwi Dave (Reply 16):
I thought that with CHC the runways would have already been ready for the A380 since CHC has had a number of C-5 movements in the past, unless of course the A380 has a wider wingspan than the C-5.

Dave, the issue isn't wingspan, but rather engine position. The reason Auckland (and Melbourne) widened the runways was so that the engines would hang over sealed surface. Otherwise, there are issues with dust and assorted other stuff being blown by the engine exhaust, and the consequent FOD risk.

Also, the C-5 'only' has a 67m span (as opposed to 79m on the A380, and 64m on the 747)...

I guess we'll have to wait until the announcement is made to find out how much more work (if any) will be needed to prepare for the A380...

V/F



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

Why haven't AKL or CHC included the double airbridges in their airports??

Not sure if AKL will? But the A380 won't park at the current Pier at AKL anyway. The new Pier will have A380 capable gates.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
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The new Pier will have A380 capable gates. Would this be going where the new extension is on the northern side of the International Terminal? Is the original plan for the entension to have an uncovered walk way to the aircrafts still planned?

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 18):
The new Pier will have A380 capable gates.

From what I have read, the new pier hasn't been given the go ahead yet - it will only happen 'when demand dictates'. Those northern stands which it will eventually serve will be air-stair served for the immediate future. Since Auckland are expecting the A380 before the new pier is built, surely they have plans to park them at some of the gates of the present pier. I'd be very surprised if they had all A380 passengers using stairs. Still, anything is possible I guess...

V/F



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Yes it will go to the Northwest of the current Pier, 4 gates are already there used as layovers. It will have a covered walkway which was always planned. Then again this is AIAL we are talking about so anything is possible.

V/F, yes that is right! Though the current Pier is quite tight for room to squeeze in an A380, they would have to re align some of the gates to park an A380 there. Gates 1 and 4 can't take 744's as it is.

[Edited 2005-08-09 07:33:41]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12212 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4181 times:
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The new pier hasn't been given the go ahead yet - it will only happen 'when demand dictates'. When Demand dictates! worried  Whats AKLs defination of demand? worried  Well as far as I'm concerned the demand is 100% there, during peak time more like 1000% there. Maybe AKLs CEO should get off his backside and get down onto the shop floor and look at all the aircraft parked at hard stands unloading/loading passengers because there is no gates free and then say if there is demand for the extra gates NOW. AKL is just a disgrace and a joke for New Zealand considering its the gateway for nearly 80% off all International flights

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

That may be right aswell V/F, i'm not to sure if it has been given the go ahead yet, I just presumed it had.

Demand is definatly there and has been for some time for AKL to build another Pier.

They expanded the baggage handling area by adding that stupid bit near gate 2 aswell, meaning that aircraft on gate 2 now have to push back into L81 and tow foward from there, also meaning that they can't park an aircraft on L81 anymore. How stupid is that.


User currently offlineKiwi Dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

I wondered why there no aircraft parked on L81 when I was at AKL in May.

I think the reason why CHC has not put in double airbridges is that the times that if the A380 was to be flown to CHC there is only one international movement (EK) and therefore not the demand unlike say the demand at AKL at peak times that is what I think.


25 Aerokiwi : It's true, AIAL management are extremely stingy when it comes to terminal expansion and most of Auckland Airport is becoming something of a joke now.
26 Kiwi Dave : I bet if they needed money to upgrade the boardroom there would be more than enough money to upgrade the boardroom.
27 Aerorobnz : It's probably less stupid than you'd think - it's just less spotter friendly than it used to. It's the only thing I will stick up for AIAL for becaus
28 ZK-NBT : I wasn't actually thinking spotting wise believe it or not. Though now you can't get shots from by the fence there I guess, haven't been down there fo
29 Aerorobnz : That is true in general. Most of the jobs have been futile and a waste of time. The new Baggage shed has ample room for at least 5-6 years growth and
30 Aerokiwi : Agreed. Couldn't agree more! The current arrivals/departures separation project was forced upon them and they went for the absolute bare basics in de
31 ODwyerPW : I find AKL's Airport Arrival/Departure facilities adequate. Why spend a ton of money on something I just want to get through as fast as possible after
32 Kiwi Dave : I hope that when CHC upgrades the domestic terminal to the same standard as the international terminal that they keep the veiwing deck as it is or at
33 ZK-NBT : I find AKL's Airport Arrival/Departure facilities adequate. Why spend a ton of money on something I just want to get through as fast as possible after
34 Carpethead : I have been in AKL & CHC this past Feb and both facitilies seemed adequate. AKL & CHC's domestic buildings are dated but the interior is still in good
35 NZ107 : When was the last time you passed through AKL? In peak season (Xmas holidays) when it's also hot inside the terminal, it's such a pain getting throug
36 777ER : Even thou I have not been in the arrival customs/MAF etc in AKL, so I can't say how bad it is, but I can vouch for the arrivals hall. At times you wou
37 Kiwi Dave : At least CHC has a bigger arrivals area compared to AKL.
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