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High Speed Flight On A 747  
User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7700 times:

I was about to reply to the post about high speed fligths on a 747, but somehow it got deleted.. So here's my story..

I went with Lufthansa from Manila to Bangkok, and they were a bit over 7 hours delayed from Manila..
First of all, they used 20(!!!) minutes to turn the aircraft around in Manila (from when they parked at the gate, to we were starting the engines already pushed back) I didn't think this was possible with a 744.

Then, when we approached Bangkok (we were still on cruise altitude, and were placed right over the dot that indicated BKK on the zoomed in map), i heard the captain say over the speakers "dear passengers, plz fasten your seatbelts, and hold on!" (LOL) Followed by a steep dive witch made me hang in my seatbelt.
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h! The entire aircraft was shaking and making noises i've never heard on any aircrafts.. I fly longhaul on a regular basis, and i love flying. But this is the only time i've ever been nervous..
Needless to say, when we arrived at the gate we were practically chased out..
Talk about German efficiency on its best!

Definitely my most memorable flight ever..

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

Leif

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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
I was about to reply to the post about high speed fligths on a 747, but somehow it got deleted..

SKA380, if you were looking for this thread Has Any Body Flown On A 747 At Full Speed? (by 747400sp Aug 7 2005 in Aviation Polls & Prefs) it is (now) in Forum Polls&Prefs.
I think it was moved to there ...

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Can you remember what the head-/tailwind was ?

-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7358 times:
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fast flights can be fun, i think i've had three i can remember, one, on a UA 744 from Ord to Nrt, landed 40 mins early, another, an AA 763 from chicago to Paris, we hit a substantial tail wind enroute and landed an hour early and the most memorable one on an AA A300 from JFK to London, we made it across the pond in 5h45 mins. i nicknamed that plane "Smokin 73" i seem to recall on the last one, the A300, we were hitting ground speeds of over 700 mph at times, with a 100 mph tail wind. fun times.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
I went with Lufthansa from Manila to Bangkok, and they were a bit over 7 hours delayed from Manila..
First of all, they used 20(!!!) minutes to turn the aircraft around in Manila (from when they parked at the gate, to we were starting the engines already pushed back) I didn't think this was possible with a 744.

I suppose that's possible if there were not that many passengers leaving at that point and LH had loaded the containers properly, which unfortunately isn't all that common! If they just need a couple of tins off then it can be done pretty quickly (assuming no cargo either). Presumably the flight was tankering enough fuel as well.

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
The entire aircraft was shaking and making noises i've never heard on any aircrafts..

Ages ago, I was on an IB 722 which did an incredibly fast descent over London into LHR. Now that was a ride! Presumably ATC found your flight a quick slot into the arrivals pattern to help out with the delay rather than shoving it into a stack.

It's nothing out of the ordinary but when a pilot starts 'flying' the aircraft rather than a normal smooth computerised kind of approach, then some of the noises and effects that used to be common in aviation come into play.

Many airports also have noise abatement approaches whoch necessitate a steeper descent at the later part of the approach, and those can be fun too. Again it's nothing unusual. The speed brakes can be a little bit noisy as well when used to dump lift and reduce height.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2213 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

In 1993, I was flying a Balkan T154 from Oslo Gardermoen to Varna. The flight crew told us that we will soon start descending. I was standing up putting something onto the overhead shelves (no overhead lockers) when suddenly the floor dropped under me and I was "flying" in the air. Ten minutes later, we were on the ground. That was my fastest descent ever.


Top 10 airplanes: B737, T154, B747, IL96, T134, IL62, A320, MD80, B757, DC10
User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 1):
Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Can you remember what the head-/tailwind was ?

I have no idea. All i know we were practically doing a free fall drop (or so it felt)

The pax were indeed chaced out when they arrived at gate in Manila also, but still.. 20 minutes??

Leif


User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

I once crossed from JFK-LHR in 5:30 and a friend of mine believes he did it in 5:10 (seatbelt signs on throughout flight...). It all depends on the tailwind I guess


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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

Had a similar situation on a ORD-AMS flight on a 747 - we made the trip in 6 hours obviously with a stong tail wind. we even had our departure from ORD delayed by 40 minutes so we wouldn't arrive at AMS too early before night quotas ended.


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User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Quoting SKA380 (Thread starter):
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

Due to tail wind, no doubt. I've flown from JFK to AMS with a ground speed of +1300 km/h.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Been in several 744 several times when the ground speen exceeded 1200km/h. Thats quite high speed I think.  Smile Must be strong tail winds as well I presume.

User currently offlinePhilaboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

I once flew JFK-LHR in under 4 hours


oh wait, that was on the concorde.....hehe


User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6496 times:

When I flew from ATL-CPT on SAA non stop we arrived One hour and thirty minutes early which was VERY VERY welcomed.


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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Occasionally our BOS-LHR flight will come in at a whisker under 5 hours. this is only when being operated by a B744, and generally in spring or fall when the jetstream is at its strongest. This is the only US-UK flight I can think of that can cut the 5 hour barrier. The fastest I can actually find is 4h 52m - pretty quick!. You would need tailwinds in excess of 100mph for most of the crossing but it does happen.

Some other quick ones if anyones interested.

LAS-LGW: 8h 29m
JFK-LHR: 5h 6m
MIA-LHR: 7h 4m
LHR-HKG: 10h 19m

Regards,

SevenHeavy



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5698 times:

the PTV on VS15 in MArch that i flew indicated a ground speed of 742mph...we were booking. (MCO-LGW)

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Quoting Philaboy (Reply 10):
I once flew JFK-LHR in under 4 hours

oh wait, that was on the concorde.....hehe

I really awaited that someone would bring up THAT statement in this thread  biggrin 

Anybody done that route faster yet ?
Any F-4 or SR-71 jockeys out there ?

-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2374 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting Vunz (Reply 8):
On the way down the IFE indicated a groundspeed of 990 km/h!

I have also flown more than 1200 km/h in a 747..

and last year I flew an SKA330 from Washington Dulles to CPH.. it actually reached 1133 km/h at one point!
Thats pretty well done for that aircraft I think


User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 14):
Anybody done that route faster yet ?

Ask the Astronauts!!



Propeller, we don't need no stinkin propeller
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 3):
Ages ago, I was on an IB 722 which did an incredibly fast descent over London into LHR. Now that was a ride! Presumably ATC found your flight a quick slot into the arrivals pattern to help out with the delay rather than shoving it into a stack.

Back in the 80's I was on a C-130 over Treasure Island in SF Bay that was on a normal downwind pattern to land at the now-closed NAS Alameda. All of a sudden, the pilot announced that we needed to land quickly, because of another a/c that declared an emergency. We immediately banked hard left, quickly descended, and landed safely. It was almost better than an amusement park thrill ride.....


User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

A few years ago I flew from antigua to LGW on a 767-300 and we made landfall in a little over 4.5 hours. There were 150mph tailwinds for most of the flight the aircraft was flown at high power and it was very bumpy all the way. Unfortunately Gatwick was closed because of snow and we had to hold for about 2 hours before we could land. Even then it was a quick trip.


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User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Back in the 80's I was on a C-130 over Treasure Island in SF Bay that was on a normal downwind pattern to land at the now-closed NAS Alameda. All of a sudden, the pilot announced that we needed to land quickly, because of another a/c that declared an emergency. We immediately banked hard left, quickly descended, and landed safely. It was almost better than an amusement park thrill ride.....

Ah yes... C130 combat landings... Nothing like them.

I had a wonderful experience on my first trip in a C130 landing at KDH.


User currently offlineThelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I remember back in 1988 while on a flight from PPT-LAX, I was on a UTA DC-10 and we had a medical emergency enroute after a passenger had a heart attack in the first class cabin. The captain informed us that he was gonna make a run at it full throttle because we were closer to LAX rather than a diversion to HNL. Our flight was scheduled to land at 10:30 pm and we actually arrived at 8:15.


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User currently offlineFLFlyGuy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 244 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
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The first time I ever had to work the lower lobe galley on the DC10, we did LAX-MIA in 3hr 31min. Helluva tailwind. Barely got the carts back in time!


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