Thelowfarehero From Cayman Islands, joined Aug 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5085 times:
Maybe someone can shed some light on this. But it seems that all flights that have gone through pre-clearance US Customs overseas ( Canada, Bahamas, Ireland, Mexico, etc...) all land at major int'l airports. Is there any reason why they couldnt service a non-int'l domestic airport?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31765 posts, RR: 73 Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5078 times:
Quoting Thelowfarehero (Thread starter): Maybe someone can shed some light on this. But it seems that all flights that have gone through pre-clearance US Customs overseas ( Canada, Bahamas, Ireland, Mexico, etc...) all land at major int'l airports. Is there any reason why they couldnt service a non-int'l domestic airport?
No. Even if a destination pre-clears, they still have to land at an international airport.
In 2002, Alaska Airlines announced SNA-YVR. The inaguaral flight actually took off, in which they discovered it couldn't land in Orange County because it is not a designated international airport. The flight diverted to Ontario. The route never even completed its inagural trip. AS and SNA did their homework on that one.
Also, Canada and the Bahamas have flights to non-major airports that are international...West Palm Beach, White Plains, Manchester (NH), Allentown, and others.
Quoting ACAfan (Reply 1): RIC gets charter service to Grand Bahama. But RIC has its own customs and immigration centre.
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 997 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5048 times:
I don't see why not. Allentown, PA (ABE) gets service from YYZ on AC. Now, ABE is not at all big -- it is a domestic airport that seems to get an international billing because of the flights to Canada.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1554 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5034 times:
Its is much faster to arrive and deplane or connect.....Also if PAX is denied entry the gest go back home from the Airport in YYZ or wherever, get the papers in order and come back the next day...no rt ticket wasted..A great Idea, glad it is going to other places like Aruba..Ect..
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5029 times:
Actually, they do all the time...for example, Air Canada and AC Jazz fly to several airports in the US which does not have C&I facilties. La Guardia's probably the biggest example.
In other cases, pre-clearance simply allows airlines (particularly Air Canada) to use domestic terminals rather than international. In cases where an airport may have a small C&I facility or the facility is overloaded, this can make things much easier on the passengers. For example, Air Canada flies into T7 at JFK - the C&I facility there backs up badly in the evening when the big BA and Cathay Pacific birds come in.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31765 posts, RR: 73 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4913 times:
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 5): Actually, they do all the time...for example, Air Canada and AC Jazz fly to several airports in the US which does not have C&I facilties. La Guardia's probably the biggest example.
An airport does not need C&I facilities, but it does need to be a qualified international airport with immigration/customs services on-call.
COSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1554 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
Btw many Aussies (esp old people) who fly YVR-SYD on the AC flight are often confused and sometimes upset (?) that they head straight into US Customs and not when they land at HNL.
Why would they be upset it is for PAX comfort ..one less thing to worry about on arrival..so nice to arrive and not wait in line wish we had Cadiadian Customs/ Immigeation pre-clearance in the US...but would involve 2 many locations...Ireland has Immigrations but not Customs right ??? Dont Understand that one..
U.S. Customs & Border Protection
Shannon, County Clare, Ireland
Officer in Charge
U.S. Customs & Border Protection
Dublin International Airport
Officer in Charge
From the since amended law in 2001:
"Customs preclearance operations have been in existence since 1952.
There are presently 11 preclearance facilities operating in both Canada
and the Caribbean. Each facility is responsible for preclearing U.S.
bound passengers and their personal effects and baggage. In most cases,
U.S. bound passengers who are precleared in either Canada or the
Caribbean are permitted to arrive at a U.S. domestic facility and
either directly connect to a U.S. domestic flight or leave the airport.
Preclearance facilities primarily serve to facilitate low risk
passengers and to relieve passenger congestion at federal inspection
facilities in the United States. In fiscal year 2000, 12.5 million
passengers were precleared. This figure represents 15% of all
commercial air passengers cleared by Customs."
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Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4803 times:
Using the facility at SNN in April, we pre-cleared Immigration only.
After leaving our EIN flight at ORD we were led through the immigration booths without further checks but had to go into line for Customs and hand in the Customs form. US Citizens were singled out and placed in a different line -and were given longer checks.
ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4738 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): An airport does not need C&I facilities, but it does need to be a qualified international airport with immigration/customs services on-call.
True, and I believe LGA has C&I on call for arriving business jets.
Theoretically, you can have your C&I on-call, but as a practical matter, if you're going to run frequent international arrivals, you need to have arrival areas physically configured to run C&I. Many smaller US airports (and even some bigger ones, like LGA) simply don't have this, and since most of them only receive int'l flights from Canada, pre-clearance makes much more sense.
Speaking of LGA, barring a huge capital project there's simply nowhere to put an arrival hall, even if PANYNJ wanted to. Which, of course, they don't, since Kennedy and Newark are both amply equipped for international arrivals.
MyOthrCarsA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4725 times:
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 6): Do all Canadian airports that have US flights have this?
Off the top of my head, YYT, YHZ, YYG, YQB, YKF, YXU, YQT, YQR, YXE, YLW, YKA, and maybe YXY all have non-stop service from Canada to the U.S. and none of those airports have U.S. Customs pre-clearance.
I was thinking of the FRA-YXY-ANC-FRA route flown by Condor during the summer. Even if fifth freedom rights weren't given to Condor to allow the flying of passengers on only the YXY-ANC leg, wouldn't passengers travelling YXY-ANC-FRA have to clear U.S. customs at some point along the way?