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Qantas To Begin SYD/SFO In 2006  
User currently offlineQFBA From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

As a travel agent I was at a meeting yesterday where Qantas presented an update which included the announcement for them to begin services to SFO in 2006. No dates were given but it looks promising.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21420 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

I flew that route in 1987. Old news.  Wink

Anyway, good to see them back. People who want to go to/from the bay area don't want to connect in LAX to a cramped AA flight after such a long first leg.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
People who want to go to/from the bay area don't want to connect in LAX to a cramped AA flight after such a long first leg.

In that case, they can take the UA non-stop

This must be contingent on the A380 coming ontime and making its range targets, since their 744ERs are already busy with LAX. SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5206 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

Nice. Not surprising really with NZ flying to SFO now though.

I think they will remove the third SYD-LAX flight that operates 4x weekly and this aircraft most likely 744ER will go on the route.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5611 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9038 times:
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This must be contingent on the A380 coming ontime and making its range targets, since their 744ERs are already busy with LAX.SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions

Why would QF require 744ER to operate to SYD-SFO when United use their 744 on that route everyday?

Am I missing something

Chris



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5206 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

Why would QF require 744ER to operate to SYD-SFO when United use their 744 on that route everyday?

Yes you are missing something, QF brought the 744ER's mainly for the LAX runs. The regular 744's operate with weight restrictions, sometimes quite severe on the LAX-MEL/SYD leg. Depends on head winds.

I am a little surprised that QF didn't go for a few more 744ER's actually.

So UA have restrictions, not sure how heavy though. UA still seem to do quite well out of SYD though.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2808 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
I am a little surprised that QF didn't go for a few more 744ER's actually.

So was I but I expect they are waiting to see how the A380 performs in operation on SYD-LAX before they decide whether they need more of them.

Quoting QFBA (Thread starter):
begin services to SFO in 2006.

It will be interesting to see the frequency of service. Probably only 3 to 4 times per week to start with. This would also give AA an additional International destination from SFO.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
In that case, they can take the UA non-stop


But some of us in the Bay Area are Oneworld members and have to fly to LAX to connect with QF to Australia. I have flown this route SFO-LAX-MEL three times before and again, September 28th and do not like the TBIT for departure. Must admit, returning through terminal 4 is OK but a little cramped going through Customs.

If this news is factual, it will be welcome news.



John@SFO
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

maybe QF will stop deciding to be whoosies and pick up some twins for this route....aka 777-300ER  biggrin 


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8736 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
SFO will require them as well or face weight restrictions

SFO is closer to SYD, of course, and the restrictions are only during certain times a year. They got the 744ERs mostly to help with cargo and MEL-LAX.

M


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24655 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8698 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
maybe QF will stop deciding to be whoosies and pick up some twins for this route....aka 777-

That would kill any possibility of me ever flying the route.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
Yes you are missing something, QF brought the 744ER's mainly for the LAX runs. The regular 744's operate with weight restrictions, sometimes quite severe on the LAX-MEL/SYD leg. Depends on head winds.

The ERs were mainly for LAX-MEL, the severe weight restrictions are mainly on LAX-MEL, not LAX-SYD. There are not enough to operate 2 daily SYD/MEL-LAX services. That would be 8 aircraft with no allowance for maintanence. The six ER can only realistically operate MEL-LAX and some SYD-LAX services. Even less if they operate to other ports, as sometimes happens.

The standard B744 is good for SYD-LAX, most of the time. Yes there can be weight penalities but it is not a big thing to SYD, MEL is another matter.
And seeing SYD-SFO is 62nm SHORTER than SYD-LAX, having ERs specifically available is not really an issue.

Still I will only belive this when the big red rat touches down at SFO, not before. SYD-AKL-DFW was announced to travel agents too!!! An offical public announcement will help, but I will only belive it when it happens!!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

That's great news from QF, but only if it is an increased capacity to the US rather than just replacing some of the LAX flights.

San Francisco is one of my fave cities ...  Smile



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Could it be that Qantas' rumoured 60-aircraft November order will include 787-900s and 777ERs for eventual use on this route, especially at off-peak times?


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

There is a God.....This just made my evening after a bad day! Thanks you Qantas!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

By the way, any idea of an official announcment?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2808 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
By the way, any idea of an official announcment?

That's why I wouldn't start celebrations just yet, there hasn't been one.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Could it be that Qantas' rumoured 60-aircraft November order will include 787-900s and 777ERs for eventual use on this route, especially at off-peak times?

I doubt it. Once the A380's start coming in there will be extra 744's around the place to use on routes such as this.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

Will QF try and operate these flights with only O&D? What AA connecting flights would feed into the late night flights?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

John Borghetti told us at the Qantas staff forum that the SFO flights would come online sometime around Feb 06 at 3 x week ex SYD. I find it hilarious though how they always garbled that there was no need for them to fly there then all of a sudden Air NZ goes in and does exceptionally well and so QF perform mirracles again and decide its worth it. Typical QF. Unfortunately most crew wont get the chance to do that trip as i have a feeling they will fill up most spots with AKL based contacters.

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8428 times:

latest from Qantas today is that they are set to axe up to 200 management positions by next month, Dixon said these were the first cuts in a major shakeup planned for the airline.

wonder if any route cuts will be in order?!



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Interesting facts about the Australia-US ties:

Australia is the seventh largest market for international visitors to the U.S., and the third largest market for the U.S. in the Asia Pacific region. In 2003, 406,000 Australians visited the U.S.

The U.S. ranks as the leading long-haul destination for Australian travelers; the average traveler from "down-under" stays 23 days in the U.S., and is a high-spending visitor.

In 2003, Australians primarily visited California (49%), New York (27%), Hawaii (15%), Nevada (13%) and Florida (8%).

The top cities visited were Los Angeles (31%), New York City (25%), San Francisco (15%), and Las Vegas (13%).

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 18):
SFO flights would come online sometime around Feb 06 at 3 x week ex SYD. I find it hilarious though how they always garbled that there was no need for them to fly there then all of a sudden Air NZ goes in and does exceptionally well

Sounds very familiar to the way NZ started service into SFO. 3 times per week and in November, bumping it up to 6 times per week.

Again, to voice what a few others have said, I'll believe it when "the big red rat" touches down at SFO.



John@SFO
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5206 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Should be interesting IMO. QF should of got more 744ER's though and replaced the 743's a couple of years ago IMO giving them an all 744 fleet. Those 743's can't do to many routes in the QF International network really. Obviously no point now since they have spent Millions upgrading them, but the 743's are under used.

Yes i guess you are right that SFO doesn't need ER's, but i'd say that QF will use them for a start if they go back to SFO.

The 744ER's I understand go to JNB quite often.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 16):
Once the A380's start coming in there will be extra 744's around the place to use on routes such as this.

Sydscott, my guess is that people are having to develop contingency plans in case the A380 arrives even later than the current 'rough dates' that Airbus are providing.

At the moment, Qantas can't expect to get them until about April 2007 at the earliest. Presumably Qantas, as a launch customer, enjoys the 'no-penalty cancellation within twelve months of delivery' option that Leahy offered; so they don't have finally to commit to buying any A380s until early 2006.

That gives them plenty of time to consider alternative aeroplane/route/strategy options.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
That would kill any possibility of me ever flying the route.

cheers

mariner

1) I hope they don't decide their future fleet planning on one (few) particular people.. Wink

2) still have a primal fear of flying on a twin over large bodies of water??

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 20):
In 2003, Australians primarily visited California (49%), New York (27%), Hawaii (15%), Nevada (13%) and Florida (8%).

The top cities visited were Los Angeles (31%), New York City (25%), San Francisco (15%), and Las Vegas (13%).

two things come off from here...1)why would they need to fly to DFW/ORD if they can fly to LAX/SFO and get excellent AA connections from there (I've read on some threads that QF were possibly looking to fly into DFW/ORD)??

2) The need to fly nonstop MEL/LAX-JFK might be economically feasable...hence the -200LR (if its possible)  bigthumbsup 



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25 Post contains images RayChuang : I think my guess is that with the arrival of the A380-800 from 2007 on, QF will have some excess capacity since QF doesn't have any plans to phase out
26 NZ107 : Well it serves quite a lot of Asia: SYD-NRT,MNL etc. I guess that the A333's are phasing them out seeing that they use it to places like PVG. If QF o
27 B787 : Thanks for the stats. If it's true, then it's about time. It would make sense to fly new 777s on this route and then shift the 744ERs to replace when
28 ZK-NBT : QF fly the 743's to the following currently. SYD-NRT daily SYD-MNL 3x weekly SYD-BOM 3 weekly SYD-HNL 3 weekly SYD-AKL 4 weekly They can do those rout
29 QANTAS077 : Syd-Per Mon Per-Sin Mon, Tue, Wed Per-Syd Thur and quite a few additional domestic flights with them.
30 Post contains images Mariner : I agree. Neither you nor I. Fear? No. But since I, as passenger, can't tell the difference between a quad or a twin, in the cabin, in flight, I don't
31 Sydscott : You'll also see them in London occassionally as well. All depends on scheduling. True. Though I would assume status quo would apply and the 743's wou
32 NZ107 : Will this result in buying more aircraft for the domestic routes? If they do go to international service, what will they be backed up with? 763's or
33 Xpfg : I don't quite recall...when was it that QF pulled out of SFO in the first place? I know it's been a while since flying there...
34 ZK-NBT : NZ107 QF would use the 763's currently used on International routes on domestic routes and the 332's would go to International. Atleast for the next 4
35 Gigneil : Then do what with those new 777s? It makes much more sense to get the 380 online, then shift 747 flying. N
36 Copaair737 : YES! YES! YES! If this is true, this is huge news. I jumped out of my chair when i read this. Now, lets just hope it is true, and not like some of the
37 Post contains images QFA001 : Then you were obviously not a patron of the old B767 SFO services. Slot restrictions. Hubbing with AA at their other hubs would offer "spillage" qual
38 HZ747300 : I'm a Star Alliance man--I will stick with UA for now. But thanks for the offer!
39 MAH4546 : Where? 99% of US airports are not slot controlled, and the only major US airports that have slots are DCA and LGA.
40 Post contains images QFA001 : Apologies, I used inappropriate language. I didn't mean slot restrictions per se, but demand management measures at LAX. Obtaining appropriate timing
41 AussieItaliano : I would highly doubt it. I don't think the slot controls or the perimeter rule will be eliminated anytime in the near future.
42 Dutchjet : Until the early 1990s, QF flew into SFO via HNL.....the service was with a 742 but it may have been operated by the 767 towards the end. This was dur
43 Post contains links Dalecary : Could be on the money here. Today's "Australian" newspaper confirms QF will order 60+ aircraft in the 787/350 and 777/340 categories "imminently"(wha
44 Ikramerica : That would indicate that fully 1/5th of all Oz originating traffic goes to SFO. So, if you add up the capacity of all carriers to the US from Oz, and
45 United Airline : The B 747-300s and the B 747-400s will probably stay for a while. When the A 380 comes they will probably have enough aircraft and they can easily pla
46 Ken777 : If QF is going for an order of 60+ aircraft in the near future then I can see them being a launch customer for the 747ADV as well as getting both 787s
47 NAV20 : Even more so, Ken777. As things stand on the delays, SQ may still get their A380s in time for the 2006/7 summer/Christmas peak season; whereas Qantas
48 Avalon : No-one seems to be considering that Airbus may make QF an offer it cannot refuse in compensation for A380 deliveries. Such compensation would likely
49 NAV20 : I agree that there will be all sorts of horse-trading going on about 'compensation' for the A380 delay. But I don't think offers of discounts on the
50 Post contains links Dalecary : Just formally announced. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050810/105912.html?.v=1 3/wk with peak travel season(Ski and Cruise) extension to YVR.
51 AS739X : Sweet....and it goes on to YVR. So more chance of arrival and departure pictures.......SWEEEEEEEEEET ASSFO
52 Copaair737 : YES! Its true Alright, this is some fantastic news. I can't wait to see the Big Red Kangaroos at SFO again for the first time in over a decade. Even b
53 Commavia : I think 3x weekly to start is just that -- to start. I expect this flight to probably go daily within a year, although the seasonal SFO-YVR extension
54 Aerohottie : A little off topic, well kinda... I think QF should look at more US and Canadian destinations via NZ... I mean it would be easier to offer direct NYC
55 MEL : Would be nice if they could get 5th freedom rights for San Francisco-Vancouver like Philippines once did on the same route.
56 Copaair737 : MEL- Reading the article, It sounded like there is 5th Freedom rights on this route. I'm going to try to get on the inagural flight! This is so exciti
57 Dhefty : Didn't I read somewhere that Mr. Leahy is untyin' his fastest pony and is loadin' up those saddlebags with some Aussie treats? Why he just might do s
58 BigGSFO : This is great news for SFO. The Bay Area economy is slowly recovering from the tech bust (note I said recovering, that is not to imply booming circa 1
59 Sydscott : It wouldn't work. Why waste the extra couple of hours in AKL when you could fly direct to LAX, and into AA's terminal, for connections. It works well
60 Legacyins : Glad to see QF return to SFO. I actually saw the last departure of QF from SFO. I remember it departed later in the evening and was a 763 to SYD via H
61 Dugway : The official announcment from Qantas (including news of YVR via SFO): QANTAS TO FLY TO SAN FRANCISCO SYDNEY, 11 August 2005: Qantas today announced t
62 Aerohottie : Sydscott - I dont think you quite got my point, which is for NYC and ORD destined passenger to avoid a LAX connection completely... I was suggesting
63 Post contains links Bill142 : Here is a news link for anyone interested in a source. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au.../0,5744,16223642%255E31037,00.html
64 ZK-NBT : Well nice to see QF wakeing up and realizing that there is life beyond LAX! Aerohottie I see what you are saying there except QF dropped plans for AKL
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