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North American Plans Service To Lagos  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

North American Airlines, the only US airline flying to Africa, has applied today to start service to Lagos, Nigeria.

NAA plans 4x weekly service to Lagos, all flights routed via Accra, to begin on or around 1 December 2005.

Their Accra service has been a tremendous success, and extending it to Lagos will allow them to boost frequency and add traffic.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=341439&docketid=22072

[Edited 2005-08-09 18:03:28]


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User currently offlineSOUPS From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4326 times:

so that means accra will get 5 weekly flights in total? (4 contimuing to LOS)?


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4324 times:

Quoting SOUPS (Reply 1):
so that means accra will get 5 weekly flights in total? (4 contimuing to LOS)?

No. Four weekly JFK-ACC-LOS-ACC-JFK flights. The schedule will be entirely redone, since now they can have crew layover in Accra. With a once weekly flight, they have the plane sit in Accra for a long time for crew rest.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4314 times:

i tske it the crew will be staying at LOS then...


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:

I thought that there was some type of political/administrative problem with US carriers serving Lagos - something that has to do with Virgin Nigeria and its ownership. Didnt the Nigerian government say something like if Virgin Nigeria cannot serve the US (since the US claimed that is was not really a Nigerian carrier but a British carrier instead) then US carriers would not be granted access to Nigerian airports? I think that it was something like that, and the issue came up with CO's aborted plans to fly EWR-LOS.

Any clarification?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4292 times:

It will be interesting to see if NAA can pull off LOS service. CO made a big deal of not proceeding based on crew safety and corruption issues.

Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
i tske it the crew will be staying at LOS then...

Let's hope not, for the crew safety.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
i tske it the crew will be staying at LOS then...

No. They aren't that stupid. They will rest in Accra.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4275 times:

i flew into LOS few days ago and yes it is corrupt. i mean the security personel asked me to pay $200 or they will take me into custody, for taking picture of a plane (trip report coming up soon)


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4273 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
i tske it the crew will be staying at LOS then...

No. They aren't that stupid. They will rest in Accra.

Is Lagos such a dangerous place that nearly all airlines let their crews stay in Accra?

Patrick


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 8):
Is Lagos such a dangerous place that nearly all airlines let their crews stay in Accra?

Yes, it unfortunately is. IIRC, though, British Airways does let crew rest in Abuja.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 7):
i flew into LOS few days ago and yes it is corrupt. i mean the security personel asked me to pay $200 or they will take me into custody, for taking picture of a plane (trip report coming up soon)

How did you respond?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4250 times:

Lagos, sheesh, that place is a nightmare, when our crews went into Lagos, they used to carry a suitcase full of cash to pay for bills. Once on the ground, we had armed guards escort the crew from the plane to the hotel as the crew had about 20k in cash.....

One pilot that I knew when ordering his food when asked, would ask them to burn his food, to make sure there was no bacteria....



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Quoting Soups (Reply 7):
i flew into LOS few days ago and yes it is corrupt. i mean the security personel asked me to pay $200 or they will take me into custody, for taking picture of a plane (trip report coming up soon)

How did you respond?

A friend of my dad use to be the station manager for GH at LOS (Not sure what he works now), my dad contacted him and he called the airport security.
i was asked stupid questions like ''are you a suicide bomber''?? If i was one would i even say yes?
i lived most of my life in Africa so i know how those tricks work



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
the only US airline flying to Africa

World flies to Africa


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

This is really good! You can fly LOS to US direct rather than LOS-EU-US the way it is now.


from star dust....
User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Yes, they fly 3x week IAH/LAD. After World's first mistake at flying to LOS, you would think they had learned a lesson. Guess not. Don't forget both NAA and World are under World Air Holdings, Inc. Soups, will the Ghanain government now allow a through flight from ACC to LOS vv? At one time I know they would not approve this routing.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32696 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 13):
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
the only US airline flying to Africa

World flies to Africa

True, as a scheduled charter operation with Angola's Sonair. I should have been more clear, I meant scheduled service.



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 15):
Yes, they fly 3x week IAH/LAD. After World's first mistake at flying to LOS, you would think they had learned a lesson. Guess not. Don't forget both NAA and World are under World Air Holdings, Inc. Soups, will the Ghanain government now allow a through flight from ACC to LOS vv? At one time I know they would not approve this routing.

Rgds,
Ed

well LH, MS,EK,ME,AZ and ET currently flies ACC-LOS and/or LOS-ACC so i dont see whay it should be a problem (just my though)

Any updares on CO service to ACC?



Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Haven't heard any more news on CO to ACC. They might just want to wait and see how NAA does bfore committing anything to it. I'm will be very surprised if the Nigerian government approves anything that has to do with World. There are still oustanding law suits both over there and here in the states dealing with World's first failed attempt at flying there. Thanks for the clarification.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 12):
i was asked stupid questions like ''are you a suicide bomber''?? If i was one would i even say yes?

stupid is as stupid does...



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

As Clipper002 mentioned, you would think World Air Holdings would have learned their lesson after the Ritetime Aviation and Travel fiasco. They were made to look like fools even though it was Ritetime's fault for what happened. What ever happened in regards to the class action suit filed against World by folks that got stranded by the collapse of the WO/Ritetime deal?

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 12):
A friend of my dad use to be the station manager for GH at LOS (Not sure what he works now), my dad contacted him and he called the airport security.
i was asked stupid questions like ''are you a suicide bomber''?? If i was one would i even say yes?
i lived most of my life in Africa so i know how those tricks work

Yikes. It still must have been stressful. I wonder if these corrupt Nigerians ever actually arrest anyone for nonpayment of bribes?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

The stories from Lagos are unbelievable, damn, sounds not like a nice place to travel to.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 21):
Yikes. It still must have been stressful. I wonder if these corrupt Nigerians ever actually arrest anyone for nonpayment of bribes?

Yes, I am wondering about the same but I can imagine that they do without hesitation after I read the aforemantioned posts.

Patrick


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5152 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 20):
you would think World Air Holdings would have learned their lesson after the Ritetime Aviation and Travel fiasco.

Yeah, I guess. But from a scheduling perspective, this keeps the aircraft from sitting uselessly on the ground in Ghana. And, if I recall, the issue wasn't that there weren't pax for Ritetime's service on WOA -- the ATL segment at least. The problem was that Ritetime was a half-assed, possibly crooked operation that took money from pax, didn't follow the rules, and didn't pay the charter carrier. NAA has its own reservations system, and operates a *scheduled* product, which operates under different rules. Assuming that they can actually *collect* the money that the local NAA ticket-seller in Nigeria takes in, NAA will have a lot more control over revenues from this service. Frankly, I'd like to see the ACC service go on for a while longer to ensure that NAA has down the basics of ticketing and collecting fares for a scheduled international service to Africa. But if they think they've got it...what can I say?

As to whether doing this is worth the hassle and risks -- that's another question entirely. I guess WOA is so used to flying to hell and back that a merely-a-little-less-developed place like Nigeria ain't no big deal. Still...isn't anybody working on connecting FL or WN or whomever at, say, BWI, with EasyJet or Germanwings or someone else on the other side of the Pond? Wouldn't that be a less-bizarre, potentially-equally-remunerative project?

Just wondrin'...

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Here we go, we were due for yet another Lagos-corruption thread; it had already been some 10 days!

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 11):
Lagos, sheesh, that place is a nightmare, when our crews went into Lagos, they used to carry a suitcase full of cash to pay for bills. Once on the ground, we had armed guards escort the crew from the plane to the hotel as the crew had about 20k in cash.....

One pilot that I knew when ordering his food when asked, would ask them to burn his food, to make sure there was no bacteria....

Other than the exaggeration, I would have told the pilot you knew not to ever go to Africa for his degrading ways. It's like me asking in North America to only be served apples or oranges that have not been injected with some substance or grown through some artificial way. Geez


25 MidnightMike : No exaggeration, I knew the loadmasters & flight mechanics that went there, and was told how it was to fly there. As to the pilots, a high number of
26 EurostarVA : Lagos, yet again serving as punching bag for users on this forum, some of whom haven't been to Lagos in the past 15 years. Instead of complaining and
27 Clipper002 : Bill, I don't share the same opinion as you with regards to NAA's "scheduled service." They've already been forced to cancel their OAK/Hawaii runs and
28 Drerx7 : They pulled the services because the Nigerian government prevented them from doing so because the US did not want Virgin Nigeria to commence service
29 VEEREF : We stay in LOS on a regular basis. Although we pretty much keep to the hotel. As much as I would like to see the area, the truth is it's not safe to g
30 FI642 : There has been talk of a "link" with EasyJet and AirTran.. and there is a dormant London (LGW) route from BWI. However start-up MaxJet seems to be get
31 Wjcandee : Ed, I'm not sure that we disagree that much. There is no question that NAA was losing money on *all* their scheduled service. World said explicitly th
32 MAH4546 : Lagos would require one aircraft, Buenos Aires requires two. I think that CO would have applied for EZE regardless. It is a limited entry market they
33 LatinAviation : I had thought that GEO was profitable for them. In regards to LOS, didn't the Nigerian gov't say they would not approve any US carrier to serve the c
34 Tsnamm : the GEO flights are still operating...it seems that the OAK/Hawaii flts were the ones losing money...BTW how did they do on there Dominican service???
35 Wjcandee : NO...according to the conference call after the NAA acquisition, they stated that NONE of the sked service routes had EVER made a profit. Period. Now,
36 Clipper002 : Bill, My opinion of World Air Holdings is far more skeptical than most. I just left there 3 months ago and was lucky enough to get out on my own terms
37 Post contains images FI642 : Thanks Ed: You're spot on. No one cares what happens to us out in the field. You're also correct that Iraq is what saved WOA, and were it not for that
38 Wjcandee : Ed: You've always been fair and balanced in your comments. If you think that they're a bunch of dorks that don't have an actual plan up their sleeves,
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