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Star Alliance In Talks With Indian Carriers  
User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1194469.cms

SYDNEY: Star Alliance said it's in talks with Air India, Jet Airways and Sahara Airlines to get one of them to join the world's largest group of airlines, extending its network to the second-most populous nation.

Joining Star Alliance would give a carrier access to more than 15,000 connecting flights a day run by other carriers flying to 840 destinations in 150 countries.

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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

I think Air Sahara might go the way of oneworld. It's already signed codeshare agreements with AA and BA and they offer interline fares with QF.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5160 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

If OneWorld and SkyTeam get on the bandwagon to court the Indian carriers that will probably settle the long running dispute over who gets Indian service--DFW or IAH.


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User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting Sunnyb (Thread starter):
Air India

Air India is really a horrible airline, I had the really unfortunate experience of flying them, and it was awful. Anyone who has flown them refuses to fly them again, all my Indian friends refuse to fly AI when they go back home for a visit, but prior to the last few months increase in capacity, the LH and KLM flights filled up quickly...So I hope it's not AI that joins.



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User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

Well it probably won't be AI!

By the time the GOI has their meetings, and tries to make their decisions, it will be 2010 at the earliest.  eyepopping 

And at that same time, Air India will finally receive some new (not used) 777-200's (which will already be outdated) for expanding international flights.  rotfl 



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 4):

by now every Tom, Dick and Harry knows the Air India fable. "Once upon a time there was an airlines called Air India.......and the rustbuckets lived happily ever after". indifferent 
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 3):
Anyone who has flown them refuses to fly them again, all my Indian friends refuse to fly AI when they go back home for a visit, but prior to the last few months increase in capacity, the LH and KLM flights filled up quickly...So I hope it's not AI that joins.

On that note, doesn't STAR require a certain level of inflight standard and service for its prospective additions? Do any Indian carriers have Western level of inflight service and cleanliness? Jet Airways?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Do any Indian carriers have Western level of inflight service and cleanliness? Jet Airways?

Neil, 9W is probably the "cream of the crop" of all Indian Airlines in terms of the entire service spectrum especially inflight service. I dare say that their service is better than almost any western airline on comparable domestic sectors.
The sad thing is that AI (and IC) are state-run, and I think we all know how well governments run businesses.
My bet is that AI joins Star Alliance.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 4):
Well it probably won't be AI!

It will probably be Air India. 9W is designated for SkyTeam, S2 (if they survive) rather OW. AFAIK no govt approval needed

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
On that note, doesn't STAR require a certain level of inflight standard and service for its prospective additions? Do any Indian carriers have Western level of inflight service and cleanliness? Jet Airways?

I hope they do and kick out LH (and from what I have heard, LO). Sorry, but this is my opinion only, EVERY Indian carrier nowadays beats the In-flight service of most carriers in "the West". 9W and S2 have excellent ground staff - in this sense, AI and IC need to get their act together, but it will be beneficial in the long term for Star to accept them. Believe me, Air travelling here in India has far higher service standards than for instance intra-Europe, not to talk about North America  Wink


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 7):
Neil, 9W is probably the "cream of the crop" of all Indian Airlines in terms of the entire service spectrum especially inflight service. I dare say that their service is better than almost any western airline on comparable domestic sectors.

Great. Nothing like competition. If I ever go to India, I'm sure I will opt for Jet Airways over the horrendous Indian Airlines for internal flights.

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 7):
My bet is that AI joins Star Alliance.

I agree. Mainly because of their "entrenched" position in the market. Unfortunately.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 8):
Believe me, Air travelling here in India has far higher service standards than for instance intra-Europe, not to talk about North America

I don't doubt that in many ways. Once again, thanks in large part to Jet Airways.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
I don't doubt that in many ways. Once again, thanks in large part to Jet Airways.

I mean it depends on the distinction, and on the route, too. The india-gulf routes on AI are another story than the India-Gulf sector. The ground handelling needs to be completely replaced by competent people. The IFE on most routes is not bad. Problems arise in event of a crisis (delay), coz no one knows what to do.

But my main argument is that Star should invite them, maybe have short-term disadvantages, but long-term benefits for the future. India (and AI) will be too important. It all depends when/if AI gets rid of the liusy Minmistry of Civil Aviation!


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 8):
It will probably be Air India/Indian Airlines. 9W is designated for SkyTeam, S2 (if they survive) rather OW. AFAIK no govt approval needed

Your predictions are what the bookies and I too favor  Wink hehehe


User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

AI will never get their standards up unless it's privatized, and we all know how long that will take. I fly AI twice a year sadly, the transatlantic flight is ok, but I can�t say that for the other flights. I certainly hope that AI in its current position doesn�t join Star Alliance. Im already feeling bad for the people who think of using their ff miles on our lovely AI first class!!
Im not saying AI doesn�t have the potential to be a good airline; it�s just at the moment it�s far far far from it!!! If Star Alliance had quality controls in place AI wouldn�t make it.
On domestic flights, flying in India is better than America I agree, but I would rather handle DL's international hop that AI's!!!

-Nikhil



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User currently offlineRmenon From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jun 2001, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Do any Indian carriers have Western level of inflight service and cleanliness? Jet Airways?

Thankfully - Jet Airways does NOT have "Western level of inflight service and cleanliness" - in fact it far SURPASSES Western levels found at such N.A carriers like AA, UA, Air Canada, in domestic and espp international ops.


User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 8):
EVERY Indian carrier nowadays beats the In-flight service of most carriers in "the West".

That I strongly disagree with. While I have only flow AI, they were absolutely awful. The service inflight was bad, the planes smelled, and worst of all was the service on the ground. You wait in five different long lines to have someone look at your ticket, then you get on the plane feeling like you just had the most disgusting experience. I fly LH from the US to FRA and then AI from FRA to India and the LH segments were infinitely better, which is why I chose to fly them even though it required two separate reservations.



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
I agree. Mainly because of their "entrenched" position in the market. Unfortunately

A knowledgable friend has indicated completely other factors which are based on traffic from large untapped areas that AI could feed into the Star network.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5246 times:

Doesn't Jet Airways have a new codeshare agreement with UA? Could that possibly factor into the decision?

User currently offlineSpink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5126 times:

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 14):
That I strongly disagree with. While I have only flow AI, they were absolutely awful. The service inflight was bad, the planes smelled, and worst of all was the service on the ground. You wait in five different long lines to have someone look at your ticket, then you get on the plane feeling like you just had the most disgusting experience. I fly LH from the US to FRA and then AI from FRA to India and the LH segments were infinitely better, which is why I chose to fly them even though it required two separate reservations.

IA and AI are pretty bad, but inside india, Jet Airways is great. Just flew from DEL to Leh last week which is a ~55 minute flight. Full meal service, nice crew, good support people in the terminal, etc. Also if you ever get a chance, the landing in Leh is incredible.

Also Kingfisher is excellent as well. Good food and inflight service and very good terminal support people.

Do not compare the rest of the indian airline industry to the government carrier.


User currently offlineUnitedgirlie From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

does everyone know who does jet airways ground handling at heathrow????.............united!

Jet asked to join star before the service even started to heathrow so personally my money is on Jet for star!


User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting Unitedgirlie (Reply 18):
Jet asked to join star before the service even started to heathrow so personally my money is on Jet for star!

Hi! Congratulations on your 3rd post  Smile

I really want Jet to join as well. I've never tried them but reading what everybody says, they must be great!


User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting Spink (Reply 17):
IA and AI are pretty bad, but inside india, Jet Airways is great. Just flew from DEL to Leh last week which is a ~55 minute flight. Full meal service, nice crew, good support people in the terminal, etc. Also if you ever get a chance, the landing in Leh is incredible.

Also Kingfisher is excellent as well. Good food and inflight service and very good terminal support people.

Do not compare the rest of the indian airline industry to the government carrier.

I haven't flown Jet or Kingfisher, I was just taking issue with his statement that all Indian carriers are better than "western" carriers, because they aren't. There isn't a single European or American airline that I wouldn't rather fly than AI. But I do trust you when you say Jet and Kingfisher are good, I should be back on business before the end of the year, maybe I'll give one of them a shot depending on whether I have to just fly to DEL or elsewhere...



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Is Jet Airways a real possibility for Star?

I always thought they are quite close with KLM.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 21):
I always thought they are quite close with KLM.

Yes! 9W might go the Skyteam way. We already have two strong Star Alliance members in the region, namely SQ and TG.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

SQ and TG might have some frequencies to India, but what Star really looks after is the domestic Indian market. They want the frequent fliers from India and you can't get them without an domestic presence there.

User currently offlineVT977 From India, joined May 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

If STAR is looking for domestic connections the AI will not be a good idea. IC or 9W might work out better. And it may also work out better for STAR as SQ and TG service the eastern traffic where as LH can cater to the west.

[Edited 2005-08-11 05:58:28]


A conclusion is what you reach when you get tired of thinking.
25 Xkorpyoh : Very true!!. while flying jet airways I was wishing that we had such a excellent airline in the USA. What doesn't help them is the infrastructure of
26 Post contains images Mrniji : Don't bet too much.. you will be broke - 9W is heading toward Skyteam Matter of taste, but I disagree! I have flown all three, American, European and
27 Spink : Having been to 5 domestic airports in India, the only decent one is Cochin. The new BLR should be nice whenever they manage to finish it.
28 Unitedgirlie : I wonder why they have been asking united for an invite to star then as apparently an airline has to nominate/invite. if they werent going to amble fo
29 Mrniji : Have they? But on the other side it seems to be ironic that AI and IC were kicked out of AF/KL new Fry Blue in favor of 9W
30 Unitedgirlie : in talks with air china as well....united handle them too air NZ part of start....united handle them too maybe my simplistic view of keep it in the fa
31 Mrniji : I would separate the handling issue from the alliance one in some cases: I remember TG was handled long by FraPort in FRA, rather than LH/GlobeGround
32 Unitedgirlie : I can only say what we have been told and that is that jet were trying to get into star and that wanted/needed united to invite/nominate them....I don
33 Post contains links Feroze : Sorry to plug, but I refer you to my thread some weeks ago: 9W And UA Codeshare, FF Miles (by Feroze Jul 27 2005 in Civil Aviation) Regards, Feroze
34 HAWK21M : Mx is by Lufthansa. The 1st part of 1B at Bom is functional.Looks good.The Entire structure scheduled for Feb 2006 completion.Till then it'll be cram
35 Ourboeing : Don't even go there. I fly DEL-Chandigarh-DEL whenever I am back home and they have full meal service even on that 35 minute flight. 9W is the pride
36 Post contains links HAWK21M : IT is giving it good company too. regds MEL
37 Jaysit : Air India may be a wretched airline, but its inflight service standards surpass those of most Western carriers. Its hardware - seats, IFE - remain muc
38 LH477 : Frankly, Indian carriers should aspire to Eastern Level of Standads, ie. Singapore, Cathay, JAL.......
39 Nimish : And most of them meet or beat those standards.
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