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DL To Fly LAX-CZM And SLC-CZM  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

DL has applied with the DOT to provide service from LAX to CZM and SLC to CZM. The flights would be operated on 2x weekly (SaSu) using the 738 starting in March 2006.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p81/341787.pdf

The SLC-CZM route is no surprise, but the LAX-CZM route is quite odd. First, I didn't think traffic from LAX to CZM would be that strong as most in LAX would head to the western mexican resorts (SJD, MZT, PVT, etc). Second, DL has shown very little interest in growing LAX over the last few years. It'll be interesting to see if the LAX-CZM route actually comes to fruition.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

They drop LAX-MEX, yet want to launch LAX-CZM?!? It'll take some time before I can see any sense in that. But SLC-CZM sounds like a good idea, seeing as how DL is constanstantly adding more Mexican destinations out of SLC.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11563 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

I agree -- SLC-CZM makes perfect sense, but LAX-CZM is a surprise. DL has been shrinking at LAX for five years, and they are now a bit player in the market relative to AA and UA. However, if DL feels that they can fill these weekly 738 flights LAX-CZM with almost all O&D customers and produce a premium load/yield mix because of their monopoly on nonstop service on the route, then good for them for recognizing this opportunity and jumping on it before another airline does.

User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

I am wondering if LAX-CZM will be a Song flight...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
I am wondering if LAX-CZM will be a Song flight...

No, it won't be, it is a 737-800.

Cozumel has seen a lot of growth in recent years. From just Charlotte and Houston and now...Newark, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Denver, Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas, Salt Lake City, Detroit...impressive. And AA is tentativly planning Miami flights to launch next February (they already have the route authority). And, I wouldn't be shocked to see US/HP to Phoenix.

The thing with Cozumel is the yields...very strong.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
The thing with Cozumel is the yields...very strong.

How much better off is "Cancun-South", as Ryanair would call it, with regards to the yields? Those two cities are not that far apart.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
How much better off is "Cancun-South", as Ryanair would call it, with regards to the yields? Those two cities are not that far apart.

Significantly.

To put it in simple terms: the rich go to Cozumel, the masses go to Cancun.

There is also Merida, but Merida has not grown as a tourist destination for Americans, which is unfortunate, because, IMO, it is the most beautiful city in the Yucatan. Not touristy at all...for now...but a lot to see. Only transborder service is Continental to Houston and AeroMexico to Miami.



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

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"Bit Player" - 8% Market Share


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Significantly.

To put it in simple terms: the rich go to Cozumel, the masses go to Cancun.

I see. No wonder AA wants to launch a direct South Beach - Cozumel flight Big grin .


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

In the request Delta says they want to add to their growing list of Mexican destinations served nonstop from SLC. They mention serving Mexico City from SLC but as far as I know they don't offer this service nor do they plan to.

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

DL can't make LAX-MEX work when AM is their codeshare partner and they start up LAX-CZM? I am positively perplexed. WTF? I guess thats why the big-wigs make all that money.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Quoting ORD (Reply 9):
In the request Delta says they want to add to their growing list of Mexican destinations served nonstop from SLC. They mention serving Mexico City from SLC but as far as I know they don't offer this service nor do they plan to.

They serve SLC-MEX via AM codeshare.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 10):
DL can't make LAX-MEX work when AM is their codeshare partner and they start up LAX-CZM? I am positively perplexed. WTF? I guess thats why the big-wigs make all that money.

I fail to see what is so hard to understand. LAX-CZM is a strong yielding tourist market, LAX-MEX is a crowded and served by three other airlines with mutliple daily flights.

And, besides, contrary to popular belief, LAX isn't MEX's biggest transborder market in terms of local traffic (it is in terms of seats per day). Both New York City and Miami have more local traffic to Mexico City than Los Angeles.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting ORD (Reply 9):
They mention serving Mexico City from SLC but as far as I know they don't offer this service nor do they plan to.

They do, via their codeshare with MEX. Though if you only want to count destinations served by DL or DCI, you still get an impressively growing list, with CUN, SJD, PVR, MZT and now CZM, with all of them rather new markets.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
The thing with Cozumel is the yields...very strong.

Exactly. While CUN is loaded with traffic - many on low yield bulk and wholesale fares - CZM is a high-yield market. I've been telling our planning people for 2 years now that our (AS) existing LAX-CUN flight would be an even bigger moneymaker if we added a CZM tag onto it. LAX-CUN-CZM/CZM-CUN-LAX would just about guarantee full planes and higher yields each and every time.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
Exactly. While CUN is loaded with traffic - many on low yield bulk and wholesale fares - CZM is a high-yield market. I've been telling our planning people for 2 years now that our (AS) existing LAX-CUN flight would be an even bigger moneymaker if we added a CZM tag onto it. LAX-CUN-CZM/CZM-CUN-LAX would just about guarantee full planes and higher yields each and every time.

Until you factor in the added take off/landing operation costs of flying a 737 for a 36 mile, 15 in air minute tag-on segment.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13561 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4055 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Until you factor in the added take off/landing operation costs of flying a 737 for a 36 mile, 15 in air minute tag-on segment.

Which can be offset by capacity-controlling the mix of inventory on both the local LAX-CUN and CZM legs to allow much more of the higher-yield traffic.



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I fail to see what is so hard to understand. LAX-CZM is a strong yielding tourist market, LAX-MEX is a crowded and served by three other airlines with mutliple daily flights.

Point taken...and its good to see DL going after high-yielding premium traffic, but it just seems odd. When have you known them to abandon the crowded "mainstream" routes. One word...FLORIDA!



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
They serve SLC-MEX via AM codeshare.

However, AM's 3 or 4x weekly non-stop MEX-SLC service is no longer in the system. I don't know if they are going to suspend the flights for a few months or what.



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