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How Small Can Airbuses Get?  
User currently offlineUK FLY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Now the A318 has been launched and the A317 is on the horizon, can Airbus shrink the Family even smaller on the same air-frame?
How come they haven't made an A322/23 to fill the large gap between the A321 and the A330 and to compete with the 757?

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User currently offlineFLY DC JETS From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

There is no A317! The A318 is uneconomical enough as it is, Airbus will not do any more shrinks. If anything you will see a new, even smaller widebody. However, it is not a priority.

The A322 would not be economical either, in addition, at this stage of the game, there is no need to compete with the 757.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5601 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Where did hear something about a A 317.
No that's not possible. Even the 318 is discussed to be to heavy and uneconomical.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4639 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

The A321 already competes with the 757-200. They would have to make an A322, which would be a stretched A321, to compete with the 757-300 but I don't think that's going to happen because the 757-300 isn't doing well, so the A322 wouldn't do well. The airlines don't seem to be interested in a long narrowbody type. I think that the A330-100 is more likely to come out than the A322, likewise a new 767 will attract more airline customers than the 757-300.
I did hear rumors a while ago that Airbus was thinking about the A316 and A317 which would be the "babies" of the family, but no airline has shown an interest in those. The A318 will become reality.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium

Ben Soriano
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8656 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

The A330 will be shrunk, either to become the A330-100 or (wait for it) the A329. The A329 designation was bandied around a lot but I haven't heard it for ages. The type was going to be a shortened A330 with the A300-600 ("AB6") wing, but in the last week or two have decided to go with a new wing (or at least one based on the A330-200).

And re a proposed A322, Airbus, being such kind and generous souls, have decided that since they have cornered every other market, Boeing can have the ultra-long narrowbody market all to themselves with their 757-300. Lucky old Boeing!

fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Anything smaller than the 318 would be an "Airvan".

Now that I think about it, what the hell kinda name is Airbus anyway? I've never seen an attractive bus.

User currently offlineAirbus_a340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1567 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (16 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1774 times:

The A318 will be a very economical airliner, go to their website. It is supposed to be the most economical 100 passenger series made. Just go to their page, interesting stuff...
I think the name "Airbus" is cool. Better that "Boeing" n/o to boeing supporters. BTW im not anyones supporter.
i just like the name airbus.
If your talking "bus" literaly TWA717_200 then i have. Come to hong kong and see the double deckers, the most modern in the world
If your talkign about the AIRBUS planes and u havnt seen an attractive one. Then.....i wont say. But i think that airbus planes look sleek, modern and cool.
Have you ever thought the 737 to be "fat" looking?
to me it does.

People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (16 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

A317? It sounds very strange.
Market is nearly full now and some common players for this type of a/c are planning to add somthing new ( Bombardier has a plan to produce BRJ-X ). It would'n t be easy to compete with them.

User currently offlineTeahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5446 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (16 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

The A317 is a joke. It was released in April to a French Aviation Magasine as a 1'st of April joke. Somehow it spread around the world!  

Jeremiah Teahan

Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (16 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Airbus does not compare the A318 to the 717 but rather to the 737-600. All manufacterers tend to claim their's is the best, cheapest etc etc. The 717 is substantually less expensive and cheaper to operate then the A318 however they have different rolls and the 737-600 is the competitor to the A318.

User currently offlineTom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (16 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

The A317 is not really a joke. Airbus planned to develop an all-new series of aircraft with less than 100 seats some years ago, designated to be the AE317/AE318. It was projected as a joint venture with some other european companies (like Alenia) and some asian manufacturers.

Due to the economic crisis throughout asia the project has been cancelled in 1998. To fill the existing gap below the A319 without the need of developing an all new airframe, airbus decided to shorten the A320 once again and created the A318.

That's the only story i've ever heard about an "317" - the AE317.


User currently offlineKlm-md-11 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (16 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Isn't it pronounced "Air-Boose"?
At least that's how the lady in Microsoft's "World of Flight'' says it....

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