Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2819 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5348 times:
The A350 has got a big market with enough room for both Boeing and Airbus. Airbus just need to show airlines that they are making some big improvements rather than trying a slightly upgraded clone of the A330 for the sake of commonality. Commonality is very useful but if taken to extreme, we'd still all be flying round in DC-3s. It looks like they're doing that now and getting some response from a couple of customers that order BIG.
QFA001 From Australia, joined May 2000, 673 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5007 times:
Airbus said that they'd have 200+ orders/LoIs by end-05. Judging by the activity going on, I think that they should have that no problem. So, they're going to get the kind of orders that they're looking to get.
Also, I'm surprised that R-R hasn't announced their engine for the A350, yet. I thought that it would be agreed by now. AFAIK, the R-R engine will have a re-sized core from their T1000 powering the B787 and this will allow Airbus to do a 260t version of the A350.
Airbus has also detailed some of the aerodynamic improvements. The basic A330 wing planform still exists, but with some minor changes to span, camber and winglets. There is also talk that the re-designed A350 tailplane might find its way onto the A340-500/600, but I'm not sure how realistic that is.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4819 times:
Quoting QFA001 (Reply 6): Airbus has also detailed some of the aerodynamic improvements. The basic A330 wing planform still exists, but with some minor changes to span, camber and winglets. There is also talk that the re-designed A350 tailplane might find its way onto the A340-500/600, but I'm not sure how realistic that is.
Minor improvements to the A340-500/600 with new methods that are to be introduced to the A350 may become very helpful in obtaining better results. While at the same time retaining some commodity with the A350.
Wasn't that the same promise that the Boeing detractors here on a.net critized so much back in 2004?
While I agree that the market for this size of aircraft has room for both Airbus and Boeing, it seems to me that Boeing will win the majority of that market.
From what I've read so far, and I'll admit it's still too early to come to a final judgement, the A350 seems to be an upgraded A330. Let's hope that Airbus pays serious attention to the sales figures for the 787 and comes up with a truley new design.
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PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6936 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 11): In the case of the Trent 1000, it is a bit more tricky as RR wants to tweak the fan to really optimize the engine for the A350.
If that's true it seems a sensible move. Better a few more months delay now if it means having the better engine on the A350 for the next decade. It certainly seems inconceivable that RR won't be on the A350 - especially with their lead on the A330, their exclusivity on the A345/A346 and their success on the A380. They can't afford to leave a whole market segment all to GE.
Notarzt From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 642 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4219 times:
Actually, nothing's decided yet. The 787 has not proved to be a succes, nor has the A350 - that's all we can tell.
Both aircraft are collecting a certain number of orders, they should be in the amount of some 200+ aircraft by the end of the year.
Both aircraft are interesting, the 787 is a completely new conception (which is important due to the fact that Boeing lost much ground to Airbus in the past two decades), the A350 is an updated A330/340 derivative with all the advantages of such conceptions.
Either way, it will be interesting how the (his)story of both aircraft is being written.
Notarzt From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 642 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
Don't know exactly. I do not trace the development of A350 orders and commitments. I recently heard of some 150 orders and commitments but Airbus will not 'confirm' these as 'orders' until the model is being launched.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4098 times:
Airbus has a lot going on right now - after all of the excitement over the A350 before the Paris Show, the spotlight is back on the A380. There is a lot of positive and negative buzz surrounding the A380, as you probably know, the good news is that its flying and is the newest thing in airplane travel, the bad news is that is heavy and behind schedule. With so much going on, the A350 is on the back burner as far as the media is concerned.
Airbus put off the official launch of the A350 until September, but at this point that is just a formaility and for practical purposes, the program is a go. Air Europa and Qatar seem to be onboard, Airbus is counting on a major order from EK to get the program rolling (although there are some recent rumors that EK is interested in both the 787 and A350 which could reduce the number of A350s that EK orders - who knows with EK - anything is possible) and the combined HP/US will be an A350 customer (those sales are in connection with the contoversial deal by which Airbus will help finance the merged airline once US emerges from bankruptcy court). Will Airbus get 200 orders for the A350 by the end of the year - hard to say, but its possible if a couple of airlines make large commitments to the type and Airbus can convince ILFC (with whom they have a special relationship) to place an early order.
This story will get interesting in the Autumn - its summer in Europe and everyone is on holiday - it is not likely that we will hear anything important until September when the A350 program becomes official.
With nearly 200 firm orders (if you count the 42 chinese), over 200 firm orders (counting the other 18 that will be announced shortly which means then they will all be officially, official), and over 250 commitments for a plane that won't fly for 18 months, I am not sure what you consider a success, but that is damn successful, considering the long term market for this class of plane (replacing A330/767/A300/A310/753 alone is 1000s of aircraft).
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