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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

Video Report Included

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_223131558.html

[Edited 2005-08-11 20:09:09]

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Its sad that its getting to this point. I know some will blame the mechanics union for this. But choice do they have? If the company is going to keep taking and keep taking from you then you at some point have to draw a line in the sand and say "no further." It comes to a point where you have to say enough is enough. Now you need to determine whether you will ever be able to work for the company again. Are your demands and the demands of the company so incompatible that an agreement will never be reached? NW doesn't want a union and the mechanics want to protect their future. If the company simply doesn't want a union working for them you might as well just walk away. Its not a pretty answer but anything else is just a waste of time for everyone. Let the mechanics move on and pick up work independently.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Honestly, I realize that they are going back to the bargaining table on Monday (IIRC), but I think both NW management and the AMFA pretty much know where this is heading now -- I think everyone pretty much recognizes that a strike is coming.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

As somebody who prefers to look at things on a case-by-case basis, I'm with the unions on this one. Northwest's management is negotiating in poor faith, knowing that no union is going to vote to have half of their force lose their jobs. Hopefully, the AMFA won't even waste the ink in their printer putting any proposal including mass outsourcing to a vote, this will end with nobody crossing the picket lines in a sympathy strike, and all of the Northwest Airlines Mechanics land new jobs fairly quickly.


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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV - August 16, 2005

NWA Has Spent Nearly $1 Million In 2005 Lobbying

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_228185443.html

[Edited 2005-08-17 01:25:27]

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Hey Karl

Do you have nothing better to do than report on NWA? Guess NWA did something to piss you off.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

This whole thing seems like the NW mechanics trying to shoot themselves in the foot.


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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Honestly, I appreciate all of the news because I am definitely following this very closely. I have a very big trip planned on NW in Sept and I will want to make sure it isn't interrupted because of labor. Thanks Karl!

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

FLYINRYAN,

Thank you for flying NWA! You will have no problems!!



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
This whole thing seems like the NW mechanics trying to shoot themselves in the foot.

Hey, ummm, no...Northwest has backed the mechanics in between a rock and a hard place...like I've said millions (it seems) of times, it's not a pay issue, it's a jobs issue. The mechanics might be upset with the 20% paycut, but they would probably accept it. It's the 53% of the employees that would be getting fired that they are having the problem with. The only thing the Northwest Mechanics are doing that is stupid is even bothering to stay at the table when Doug "Chainsaw" Steenland has no interest in an agreement.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 10):
Hey, ummm, no...Northwest has backed the mechanics in between a rock and a hard place...like I've said millions (it seems) of times, it's not a pay issue, it's a jobs issue. The mechanics might be upset with the 20% paycut, but they would probably accept it. It's the 53% of the employees that would be getting fired that they are having the problem with. The only thing the Northwest Mechanics are doing that is stupid is even bothering to stay at the table when Doug "Chainsaw" Steenland has no interest in an agreement.

It nearly seems that the Mechanics are trading a 53% reduction in jobs for a 100% reduction.....

Looks like the union leaders are winning again!



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 1926 times:
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Is it true that many current AMFA mechanics at NWA have already received a card inviting them to join the group that will be replacing them if a walkout occurs? If so, I wonder what the conditions were that these particular people were invited OR did all members receive these cards?

If the stories about the invitations are true it would be interesting to see what wages are promised after a walk/lock out is finished. What would keep the group from organizing again? What seniority system will be used?

This might be a pattern that is repeated.



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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
It nearly seems that the Mechanics are trading a 53% reduction in jobs for a 100% reduction.....

Looks like the union leaders are winning again!

For one moment, put yourself in an AMFA employee's shoes. Would YOU be so magnanamous then and vote for a contract that would put you out of work? Would you REALLY "take one for the team"? Why would you when your leadership is taking pay RAISES and "performance bonuses" while losing record amounts quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year?

You lead by example and if you are going to ask for 53% employee layoffs and 26% pay cuts, then you do it to your own group (management) first and then go to the rank-and-file.

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

NWAFA -

How'd you vote on the sympathy strike?


User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

What's worse than a bunch of airline employees that are on strike? Having to be a customer served by senior cabin crew (and on international flights, that would be most) whom are so embittered by company politics and mismanagement that they are nothing less than miserable to be around. No genuine smiles, no light hearted gestures, just stone faced by-the-book cabin service workers.
That is just a customer's impression from such a flight between Europe and the US. A lack of morale amongst the ranks is evident, yes, even by the passengers!
I hate to see any group of employees of a large company having to resort to an ultimate demonstration of dissatisfaction of policy by amassing an organized strike. It is sad when there is such a disconnect between management, and the people who keep the wheels of production turning.
Letting this issue go on unchecked, will ultimately reflect on the airline as a whole, just like the paint of the aircraft or the cloth on the seats, the CUSTOMERS will see it and take their business elsewhere-to a more inviting environment.
If all negotiations and all possible avenues explored and all options are lost, then the end of The rope is near. It is a game of chicken between the decision makers, and those ultimately affected. If a strike is the only way to solve these problems, then God's speed to all those involved. I hope all sides get what they deserve.

Tom



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Tom,

Oh my gosh, having a "senior" on a flight! Gosh that is the end of the world. Guess their years of experience should just go away when we hit 40.

We are safety professionals first, then service. They both go hand in hand in my eyes, but safety is number 1.

I have flown many European airlines, and I have yet to find that friendly service that so many people say is there. It appears that European Flight Attendants are very cold and indifferent. No warmth. No personality.



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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

IMHO, I think it will come down to the 11th hr and 59min, but either negotiations will continue or an agreement will be reached. I really dont see a strike.

User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

so what day will this strike be on?

User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

AMFA can walk or NWA can lock AMFA out on August 20th at 12:01AM ET.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Quoting NWAFA (Reply 5):
Do you have nothing better to do than report on NWA? Guess NWA did something to piss you off.

Actually Karl reports on just about everything. This guy has more news sources than I could dream of  Smile



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 16):
IMHO, I think it will come down to the 11th hr and 59min, but either negotiations will continue or an agreement will be reached. I really don't see a strike.

I disagree. I think both sides want it, so it will happen. AMFA will walk out, NW will bring in scabs, and the rest will unfold progressively from there.

Should be interesting to see, though, who's scenario plays out: AMFA's painting a doom-and-gloom picture of untrained, inexperienced replacement mechanics not knowing how to handle NW planes, massive delays, massive cancellations, etc. NW is saying that customers won't even notice a difference, and all of the replacement mechanics will just step right into the place of the striking AMFA workers. Wonder which will actually happen?


User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

but to recap:
mechanics strike or locked out...
pilots and/or FAs strike
UPS, FEDEX strikes
NWA ruined
is that not a realistic view?


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