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NW Dropping SEA, Adding 4th LGA @ IND  
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

In a story related to NW's walkout plans it was noted that they are dropping the SEA seasonal service and adding a 4th daily flight to LGA.

"The airline intends to end seasonal service from Indianapolis to Seattle two days early, on Aug. 19, Ebenhoch said. However, the airline also plans to add a fourth daily departure to New York's LaGuardia Airport."

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=/20050812/BUSINESS/508120461/1003

Is the LGA flight that big of a money maker? This will give the route two CRJ's and two DC9's.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

It doesn't say that they're permanently ending seasonal IND-SEA service... but rather that they're ending it a couple days earlier than planned this year.


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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

The competition is 7 ERJ flights by US. Seems like an awful lot of flights (and reminds me of your other thread--Is IND over served?).

Best explanation is a lot of business travel (including same day return). That would mean a lot of full-fare passengers, which can make the flights profitable at lower load factors.

LGA is probably more convenient than JFK for the business person who has a meeting in Manhattan in the afternoon and plans to return home that night.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Is that really bad? Just checked and NY runs 1000 seats a day which is up there with LAS and MCO. Last I checked WN, NW, FL and TZ fly nonstop to MCO with similar demand. So you are talking a minimum of 4 mainline flights a day to MCO. With LGA you are looking at two mainline between NW and US. Then again they can't be making much money off the MCO route.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Actually, I have a feeling that they are doing this due to the strike, hints, getting another plane back, instead of using a plane from IND-SEA-IND rather they can just book them through MSP, DTW, or Memphis. The dates that they changed it to are perfect timing for it, im sure it will return next year.


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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3933 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

They moved the beginning of the fall schedule up a few weeks to August 20 to limit the impact should a strike occur on the 20th. The fall schedule has fewer flights, therefore fewer opportunities to affect people.


AZJ


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

I've heard here that US has very good yields ex-LGA but often only marginal loads. That's why you'll see cheap connections through LGA from time to time- any money they can make on the empty seats is basically pure profit. New service will surely dilute loads, but if the yields can take it, it's good for consumers.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4904 times:
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Remember the Alaska cruise season is coming to an end, usually lasts until the middle of September.


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

The IND-SEA nonstop was only planned to be "seasonal", and I recall in early July seeing that it was planned to end prior to Labor Day weekend. I don't think this is something they quickly decided to pull in anticipation of the strike. Back when the schedule was loaded the cooling-off clock had not yet been started.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

I also noticed in the schedule that DEN which was supposed to be year round ends on Oct 28th. Is that a seasonal victim as well?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):
I also noticed in the schedule that DEN which was supposed to be year round ends on Oct 28th. Is that a seasonal victim as well?

Its still in the system from the 29th but after that it appears gone.



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

The LGA-IND flight has an A319 on the route, not 2 DC 9s, like someone said earlier. I think the LGA-IND flight has a 319, but coming back the other way there is none for some reason.

User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 2):
LGA is probably more convenient than JFK for the business person who has a meeting in Manhattan in the afternoon and plans to return home that night.

In my experience flying into NYC - I find JFK so much more convenient with connections to the AirTrain, subway and LIRR nearly seemless. LGA is not nearly as connected to public transportation - unless you want to take a stanky bus or an expensive cab ride down to Manhattan. I think if JFK promoted themselves as such, they'd have a lot more domestic travel if they wanted it.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

What airport would be more convenient if i wanted to take a day trip to NYC?


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 11):
The LGA-IND flight has an A319 on the route, not 2 DC 9s, like someone said earlier. I think the LGA-IND flight has a 319, but coming back the other way there is none for some reason.

It does seem odd that 146 is a DC9 but 147 is an A319.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

I flew round trip LGA to IND on NW on a random weekend this past spring, and both flights were packed. Doesn't say anything about yields (I know my fare was pretty darn cheap), but there is definitely plenty of demand, and sometimes with enough butts filling seats you can still make money even with relatively low yields.

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 12):
unless you want to take a stanky bus or an expensive cab ride down to Manhattan.

Just for the record, the M60 bus to Manhattan is not "stanky", nor is any other MTA bus I've seen lately. They're quite clean, modern and comfortable. Slow, yes, but not stanky!  Smile Besides, it's hard to beat the $2.00 fare.

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 13):
What airport would be more convenient if i wanted to take a day trip to NYC?

For pure convenience when you don't have a lot of time, it's hard to beat LGA. You can get to Manhattan in 15 minutes by cab (for $20-$25 including tip and toll) if it's not rush hour. I would say EWR is a close second--you can take the monorail from the terminal to the train station, then it's a 15-minute ride to Penn Station for $11. This depends on train schedules, though--at night and on weekends there can be a long wait until the next train if you don't time it just right. JFK is also not bad now that the AirTrain is up and running. It's a short ride to Jamaica, then maybe 15 minutes on the LIRR to Penn Station, and those trains run frequently. I don't recommend the subway from JFK, especially if you're not familiar with the city. Like the M60 bus from LGA, it's cheap but can be pretty slow.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4719 times:
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It's pretty transparent that they are calling the August 20 schedule change "the Fall Schedule". Fall always was after Labor day before. Less hours flying to help if mechs strike OR/AND are locked out. I'd liked to have seen the load factors on IND/SEA flights vs the MEM/SEA. We could not seem to get enough seats out of MEM. Always full in summer at least with cruise and normal SEA loads.


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Look for NWA to add SFO, and YYZ. I think those 2 routes would be good for NWA. Eric


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

SFO maybe because its a decent market and unserved nonstop. Not sure about YYZ since AC already flies that route.


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

YYZ flies the really small aircraft, I think a nice CRJ with NWA from IND would work fine!!


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Does anyone know how the loads are doing on the IND-DFW runs?


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Is there enough demand for 40 - 50 additional seats a day to YYZ?


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User currently offlineFedexexpress From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Who knows you might just kick out Air Canada. I dont even call that Air Canada. It looks like a private airplane really. I want to see the pretty Air Canada birds wont happen i know. Would be awesome to see a A319 here in the Air Canada colors though!!! Eric


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4567 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 20):
Does anyone know how the loads are doing on the IND-DFW runs?

The seat maps don't look TOO bad. They are charging a high price in my opinion. I'm guessing the yields are relatively good.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Just found out the likely reason that they are dropping those flights for a bit is because of the new Midwest-Las Vegas service that they need those A319's, though Denver flight was always full... maybe when they get their other A319s that are on order they will serve it once again.


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25 Indy : Thanks for the heads up on that.
26 Azjubilee : Huh? the new LAS service starts October 30. Why would they end service in August for flying that starts in practically November? August 20 is the begi
27 Burnsie28 : Which is the day before the IND-Denver flight ends. Ive been looking in PARS for flight loads as ive tried to non-rev on it before, with no success.
28 Azjubilee : Burnsie -IND-SEA was always slated as seasonal for the summer. It just so happens they've moved the fall schedule start date up a few weeks. It isn't
29 LambertMan : AC uses DH-8's on the IND-YYZ route, so any resistance by NW may result in them dropping the route. It is a possibility, IMO. We'll just have to play
30 MAH4546 : The Seattle route will return next year as long as the cruise ship revenue guarantees return, and there is no reason to think that won't happen.
31 SRT75 : Wouldn't SEA year-round make more sense than adding SFO because of NW's partnership with Alaska. Provided they code-share and coordinate scheduling,
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