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ATA Founder & CEO, J. George Mikelson To Retire  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3135 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Courtesy: ATA Airlines

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/050812/83863.html

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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3951 times:
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Maybe he wanted to leave while there was still an ATA for him to leave. There are bad rumors swirling out of that place. ATA was his baby, and nobody wants to see their baby die. Good luck in your retirement.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineChiflyer82 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
There are bad rumors swirling out of that place

Inquiring minds want to know, what kind of "rumors" have you heard?


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
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Management has said to ALPA that without major concessions they won't make it until the end of the year.


Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4581 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Haven't the pilots already given major concessions? Perhaps its time for ATA to close down? I mean they are a fraction of what they used to be already.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

yeah the pilots have and so have the F/As. I dont know for sure if your asking the pilots for more, but they are asking the F/As for more, so im sure the pilots are too

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4581 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Would everyone be better off if WN just bought them out?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

I have such mixed feelings about J. George Michelsons. I worked for ATA from 1991 to 1995 and feel that the company did not treat its employees well. When George and his fellow Senior Officers would come to our base for a company meetings, George would become angry and defensive whenever my colleagues and I would voice our concerns about abusive working conditions.

We were the very first work group at ATA to vote in a union after our repeated concerns fell on deaf ears. I am very proud of the precedent that we set and the work we did to secure the very first collective bargaining agreement at ATA. The pilots and mechanics later followed the flight attendants in organizing.

I believe that our efforts paved the way for a better quality of life for future ATA employees. It was gratifying to see work rules implemented that prevented future abuses by ATA's crew scheduling department, and also provided them a framework with which to operate by.

As much as I despised George at the time, I have come to respect his ambition and his professional accomplishments. He led ATA from a one airplane travel club to becoming the nation's 10th largest airline at one point. That is a noble accomplishment. While I did not respect ATA's corporate culture, George symbolizes the great American entrepreneurial spirit. I hope that for his own sake, George is able to retire with something to show for his years of hard work and his dedication to the airline that he founded.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4581 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 7):
As much as I despised George at the time, I have come to respect his ambition and his professional accomplishments. He led ATA from a one airplane travel club to becoming the nation's 10th largest airline at one point. That is a noble accomplishment. While I did not respect ATA's corporate culture, George symbolizes the great American entrepreneurial spirit. I hope that for his own sake, George is able to retire with something to show for his years of hard work and his dedication to the airline that he founded.

That was so very well said. Definate thumbs up to that post. Good job.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

I have to say I think it was time for him to go. He did good at the beginning but these last few years I think it was just an ego game with him. He was very interesting I went to a meeting with him once and he would go off on these tangents about nothing. Then when one would bring up the situation ATA was in he would get angry and blame John Tauge. I don't think its a big loss for ATA. Well except for the fact that I am sure he will draw some sort of pension or something from ATA.

User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3738 times:

He was the Chairman of the Board when Tague launched into his crazy expansion scheme and could have stopped him at any time. His bad judgment was partly to blame for the demise of ATA. It's always easy to be a great entrepreneur on other people's money. George should have stuck to his knitting (charter) but now its too late to go back.

User currently offlineATA753 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting FRA2DTW (Reply 10):
He was the Chairman of the Board when Tague launched into his crazy expansion scheme and could have stopped him at any time. His bad judgment was partly to blame for the demise of ATA.

i do not think that expension plan was bad, i think that decision of buying only 737-800 and 753 is to blame. I personally belive that if ATA will buy mix of 737-700, 737-800 and maybe 737-900 instead of 752 ATA will be in much better situation then it is know. PIT,MIA were almost never full, not even close to be full with 737-800. That just one of examples ...


User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting ATA753 (Reply 11):
i do not think that expension plan was bad, i think that decision of buying only 737-800 and 753 is to blame.

I have to agree with you.. I think TZ has too much capacity on some of their routes. I'm glad to see you guys picking up some "smaller" aircraft for use on the thinner routes. When are the -300's supposed to come online?

Quoting ATA753 (Reply 11):
PIT,MIA were almost never full, not even close to be full with 737-800.

I think that the codeshare will help fill up the MIA flights. I can't wait for the codeshare to expand internationally..



Maintain 2300 until Boiler, cleared for the VOR-A approach, report BATLE inbound..
User currently offlineWnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 12):
I can't wait for the codeshare to expand internationally..

When will this happen? I have been hearing the rumors for a few months now.

[Edited 2005-08-14 17:33:18]


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