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DL To Begin MCO-AUS/CHA/CHO/FWA/JAN/XNA  
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

All the flights will be operated by Mesa's Freedom Air (F8) using the ERJ-145.

MCO-AUS will be twice daily beginning 10/23.

MCO-CHA will be once daily beginning 10/24.

MCO-CHO will be once daily beginning 11/01.

MCO-FWA will be once daily beginning 10/10.

MCO-JAN will be once daily beginning 11/01.

MCO-XNA will be once daily beginning 10/10.

F8 will also be serving BHM, BNA, CAE, DAY, FLL, GPT, HSV, LIT, MIA, MOB, MSY, PNS, RDU, RIC, and TRI from MCO. F8's first scheduled flight will be CAE-MCO on 10/01.

These flights will be available for purchase later today.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Thread starter):
All the flights will be operated by Mesa's Freedom Air (F8) using the ERJ-145.

It's great news for the cities being served...but...I hope F8 does a better job with DL than they did with HP...they were ALWAYS late (not like Mesa has a stellar ontime record)...it was a nightmare.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Thread starter):
All the flights will be operated by Mesa's Freedom Air (F8) using the ERJ-145.

I thought Mesa was to operate CRJ-200s for Delta? (Not that I don't prefer ERJs over CRJs)
Anyway, time to comment on the routes:
MCO-AUS: Doesn't surprise me, as DL often has a tendency to serve AUS when they also serve AUS and vv.
MCO-CHA: Giving CHA an alternative to flying down to MCO via ATL. Plus, IIRC, CHA applied for funding for this flight.
MCO-CHO: WTF?
MCO-FWA: Surprise, though FWA isn't a too small metropolitan area.
MCO-JAN: It's the South, no surprise.
MCO-XNA: Hey, Wal*Mart employees take vacations in Florida, too .

Quoting DeltaMIA (Thread starter):
F8 will also be serving BHM, BNA, CAE, DAY, FLL, GPT, HSV, LIT, MIA, MOB, MSY, PNS, RDU, RIC, and TRI from MCO. F8's first scheduled flight will be CAE-MCO on 10/01.

Will those flights replace/supplement Comair and/or Chautauqua?

Edit to add on my first point:
http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=9723
30 CRJs, as per this press release. When did plans change?

[Edited 2005-08-13 13:16:29]

Edit 2: Am I correct in assuming that F8 operating on existing routes will free up more CHQ/Comair planes for additional FLL service?

[Edited 2005-08-13 13:21:11]

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Will those flights replace/supplement Comair and/or Chautauqua?

That's what I was wondering too...

I just wish DL would bring some of this Florida expansion up the coast a bit more. PVD/MHT/ALB/BUF/ROC/SYR all lack any DL nonstop service to Florida while just about every small/medium city south of Washington has something...


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

The CRJs are going to United.

The ERJs are coming from USX ops.

-n


User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 3):
I just wish DL would bring some of this Florida expansion up the coast a bit more. PVD/MHT/ALB/BUF/ROC/SYR

I definitely think they could make it work to SYR... The only non-stop "competition" is a daily T9 charter to SFB.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Will those flights replace/supplement Comair and/or Chautauqua?

These flights are in addition too. Although it also replaces RP on some routes allowing them to send their planes on other Florida routes. I believe CMH got a new flight on RP to RSW and TPA.

Quoting Newkai (Reply 5):
I definitely think they could make it work to SYR...

Its been on the table for awhile. SYR has nearly 300 daily passengers heading to the Central Florida area and DL knows this.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 3):
PVD/MHT/ALB/BUF/ROC/SYR all lack any DL nonstop service to Florida

The problem is stage length. There is no cost advantage unless operated with a larger aircraft or with a cost incentive provided by the airport. MCO isn't exactly handing the latter out.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

seems like everyones getting some service to florida these days.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6638 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5459 times:

Some of the frequencies to MCO are getting a little insane.

RDU-MCO goes to 8x daily
CMH-MCO goes to 6x daily

I'm not saying the demand isn't there for this type of capacity. I just think it would be more cost effective to use larger planes with a lower CASM. These predominantly leisure routes don't need super high frequency.

Most of these new routes aren't too surprising...although they are a long time to be cramped in an RJ. Thankfully, they are ERJ's which are IMO slightly more comfortable than the CRJ. I think most of these new routes will do ok except for maybe MCO-CHO...that's an awfully thin route.

Folks from CMH on this board should be happy overall. CMH gets a 6th flight to MCO, a 4th flight to LGA and two new flights to SLC.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6775 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Some of the frequencies to MCO are getting a little insane.

RDU-MCO goes to 8x daily
CMH-MCO goes to 6x daily

I'm not saying the demand isn't there for this type of capacity. I just think it would be more cost effective to use larger planes with a lower CASM. These predominantly leisure routes don't need super high frequency.

I agree.. but DL will not have the right aircraft for the route much more. .I think switching some of the RJ to 732 would have been good.. do a 2 for 1 ratio.. but with the 732 leaving, the MD80 may be a bit too much for the 2 for 1.. and not enough for the 3 for 1.. plus the loss of 2 frequencies could mean a lot..

Using the E70, however, means that DL will not be able to use the 3 stand gate like they currently use.. At RDU, DL uses A15 and A16 for their mainline operations (ATL, CVG, SLC). Thse 2 gates see 14 flights a day. The other 2 gates A17 and A18 are set up so that 3 RJ can fit into each gate space and see the remaining 32 flights.. so instead of having 4 gates, DL has virtually made themselves 8. If the E70 comes into play, then it would have to use an entire gate to themselves.. it might work for 3 or 4 flights, but not too much after that.. so it is easier for DL to just add RJ than to add mainline..

Hope that makes sense..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 995 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Folks from CMH on this board should be happy overall. CMH gets a 6th flight to MCO, a 4th flight to LGA and two new flights to SLC.

When do these start? At least the SLC and LGA flights?

SLC Oct 15, noticed in another thread, LGA Sep 1st

[Edited 2005-08-13 17:51:09]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting SegmentKing (Reply 4):
The CRJs are going to United.

The ERJs are coming from USX ops.

I see. A good deal for Delta, getting 30 ERJs instead of 30 CRJs Big grin .

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 9):
Using the E70, however, means that DL will not be able to use the 3 stand gate like they currently use..

Apart from the lack of gate space at RDU (which I hope will change sometime soon, operating almost 50 flights out of 4 gates is getting ridiculous), don't forget that DL is still limited in the number of 70-seaters they can use, and the E70s will primarily be used from SLC.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
a 4th flight to LGA

Which will use one of the slot pairs formerly used for LGA-MHT (the other is used for an additional GSO flight).


User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Lots of changes at Delta Connection!

Operated by Delta Connection Carrier, Freedom Airlines Inc
Effective Oct 10 05:
DL6072 MCO 940am XNA 1110am D ER4 2H 30M
DL6072 XNA 1140am MCO 255pm D ER4 2H 15M

DL6076 MCO 825am FWA 955am D ER4 2H 30M
DL6076 FWA 1025am MCO 152pm D ER4 2H 27M

Effective Oct 23 05:
DL6068 MCO 1015am AUS 1154am D ER4 2H 39M
DL6082 MCO 750pm AUS 929pm D ER4 2H 39M

DL6083 AUS 845am MCO 1221pm D ER4 2H 36M
DL6068 AUS 1225pm MCO 401pm D ER4 2H 36M

Effective Oct 24 05:
DL6064 MCO 1250pm CHA 226pm D ER4 1H 36M
DL6064 CHA 255pm MCO 432pm D ER4 1H 37M

Effective Nov 1 05:
DL6077 MCO 310pm CHO 512pm D ER4 2H 02M
DL6077 CHO 540pm MCO 745pm D ER4 2H 05M

DL6080 MCO 1035am JAN 1121am D ER4 1H 46M
DL6080 JAN 1150am MCO 238pm D ER4 1H 48M

Quoting DeltaMIA (Thread starter):
F8 will also be serving BHM, BNA, CAE, DAY, FLL, GPT, HSV, LIT, MIA, MOB, MSY, PNS, RDU, RIC, and TRI from MCO.

I checked Deltas flight schedules on Dec 1 2005..
And noticed a few changes from the current schedule..

MCO-CAE Chautauqua flight changes to F8 flight.
MCO-BHM +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-BNA +1 Additional F8 flight
MCO-DAY Chautauqua flight changes to F8 flight.
MCO-FLL +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-GPT Chautauqua flight changes to F8 flight.
MCO-HSV +2 Additional F8 and Chautauqua flights.
MCO-LIT +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-MIA +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-MOB Chautauqua flight changes to F8 flight.
MCO-MSY +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-PNS +1 Additional F8 flight.
MCO-RDU +2 Additional F8 and Chautauqua flights.
MCO-RIC 2 Chautauqua flights change to F8 flights.
MCO-TRI Chautauqua flight changes to F8 flight.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4605 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

FWA is kind of a shock...would have figured TOL would get it first. Any know if anything can be expected there? Besides the upcoming JFK service though the TOL SCASD application be approved.

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

I am quite surprised that they are doing the FWA service...they have to be happy about that up there  Smile


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6775 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Apart from the lack of gate space at RDU (which I hope will change sometime soon, operating almost 50 flights out of 4 gates is getting ridiculous),

I have a feeling somethings will change at RDU in less than 3 months. HP will move from A14 to A20-23 with USAirways.. USAirways will probably get A24 back from RDUAA. Delta will probably take A14 (since they have been looking for another 2 gates for a couple of years now) and be able to spread out it's routes. If I were a betting man, I would bet some mainline flights would come along.. perhaps 1 or 2. US was paying ~200K monthly for 5 gates, a Club room, and maintenance facility... I"m sure DL would be paying about the same.



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User currently offlineKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

I'm sure Chattanooga is jumping for joy. For years the airport lost traffic to ATL and BNA. Within the past few months CO Express has announced service to IAH, American Eagle to DFW and now a Delta carrier to MCO. (Airtran served the CHA-MCO route years ago.)

User currently offlineDeltadude8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

I wish DL would stick a CRJ-200 or ERJ or whatever from MCI-MCO like they used to run with their express aircraft...from what I remember it was pretty successful...

User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 867 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Look for jetBlue to put their 190s into service on ALB, BUF, ROC and SYR to FLL - for those people looking for Florida service from those cities. I wouldn't be surprised if they opened up MCO to those cities, as well.

User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

I have a few questions if anyone can answer them...
1, What will happen to the remaining Chautauqua Airlines aircraft?
2, What will be the call sign for Mesa's Freedom Air?
3, What will the Mesa's Freedom Air aircraft look like?

Hopefully these new routes and the addition of additional flights with Mesa's Freedom Air will provide Delta with some much needed revenue.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 18):
Look for jetBlue to put their 190s into service on ALB, BUF, ROC and SYR to FLL

FLL-BUF is supposed to be announced very, very soon.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 19):
1, What will happen to the remaining Chautauqua Airlines aircraft?

I've heard that RP will be building up FLL a little more this winter. Possibly as many as seven new cities.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6638 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 19):
3, What will the Mesa's Freedom Air aircraft look like?

They'll wear Delta Connection colors just like ASA, Comair, SkyWest and Chautauqua planes do. Of course, somewhere on the plane will be a little logo that says "operated by Freedom Air."


User currently offlineJerplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

The MCO-CHO would probably be better as MCO-ROA.

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3830 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting Jerplane (Reply 22):
The MCO-CHO would probably be better as MCO-ROA.

why?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7786 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Despite CHOs small size, it is a fairly wealthy community with a strong business base. The University of Virginia and The UVA Medical Center being two major employers. Not to mention the central VA region is growing very rapidly.

Still seems like an odd choice, but Charlottesville ain't no hick town, that's for sure.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
25 KcrwFlyer : ive been there before. im not saying the flight wont be sucessful. i always thought theyed get orlando service, along with CHA. but i always thought
26 SJC>SFO : As a student at UVA, and a frequent traveller out of CHO I'm a bit perplexed by the move to add MCO. On the one hand, there is a lot of solid expense
27 KcrwFlyer : timeout.. you have lga !? and Mco is generally an O&d market. and if you want some more saabs, just let me know.
28 Jerplane : Because it is a way bigger city with everything Charlottesville has and more. Also ROA pulls from all of Southwest VA.
29 MAH4546 : Yes, US Airways Express flies CHO-LGA 3x daily. CHO's service: Atlanta - DL - 3x daily Charlotte - US - 8x daily Cincinnati - DL - 3x daily LaGuardia
30 SJC>SFO : Actually it appears we have 3x daily to LGA. It's a busy little airport (free wireless too, if you're ever coming through!). Obviously I'm not a huge
31 SJC>SFO : Don't forget Detroit - NW - 3x daily
32 KcrwFlyer : oh i apologize, i read that completely wrong. i thought he was saying that MCO-CHO was better than MCO- ROA but it was the other way around... i tota
33 MAH4546 : More than that, Charlottesville is a wealthy area. People pay the high fares. That's probably what Delta is thinking with the MCO flight.
34 AdamWright : I've seen the statistics for the travelers from the central Virginia area and at the top of the list of most traveled to destination was Orlando, FL.
35 KcrwFlyer : good point. what kind of fare would it be? here, because of indy i assume , all of the airlines have lowered the fare to mco. a roundtrip is about 25
36 Post contains links MAH4546 : I always enjoy reading the local press articles of new routes. So for those who care... The Daily Progress (Charlottesville): http://www.dailyprogress
37 DAL767400ER : Gotta love this quote from the FWJG: "Delta Air Lines has finally answered the prayers of Fort Wayne travelers hungry for the sun, surf and sand." Oh
38 Tornado82 : Having just flown to FWA this weekend for a wedding... this is a huge shocker. That place is a deserted ghostland. It is a newer-looking facility, bu
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