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Ethiopian Airlines: New Winter Schedule  
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

The new schedules for Ethiopian Airlines' winter season are trickling in, taking effect during the last week of October/first week of November. Here are the changes that I see so far:

- Lagos gets a dedicated daily 763, leaving ADD in the morning, arriving at base at night. The aircraft does not continue on to another city.

- Accra goes nonstop, 4x per week on a 763 continuing on to Abidjan, leaving ADD in the morning and arriving at base at night.

- Lome, Togo retains 3x per week, this time via Douala, Cameroon (the latter is upped from the current 2x) on a 752, leaving ADD in the morning and arriving at base at night.

- Dubai goes 2x per day on a 752 and 763. Both leave ADD overnight, returning in the morning.

- Jeddah goes 5x per week with a mix of 763s and 73W, leaving ADD overnight, returning in the morning.

- Frankfurt and Paris get 3x per week, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at CDG.

- Amsterdam retains 2x per week, both via Rome, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at AMS.

- Stockholm retains 2x per week, both via Rome, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at ARN.

- Heathrow is cut back to 3x per week, retaining the existing schedules and routing via Rome.

- Gatwick goes up to 4x per week, all leaving ADD overnight, but returns being a mix of daytime and overnight out of LGW. Also, half of these go via Rome, the other half nonstop, all on 752s.

- Rome as a result of the above, gets a total of 8x per week all on 752s.

- Cairo retains 3x per week, via Khartoum on 73Ws. Outbound and inbound will be during the day, leaving ADD in the morning, returning the same night.

- Khartoum gets 4x per week, with 3 going on to Cairo as above, and one 73W flying each way from ADD overnight.

- Tel Aviv gets 5x per week on 73Ws, with a mix of daytime and night time flights.


The rest of the schedules have not changed, just yet, so no noticeable changes on other African routes (notably east and south) or Asian flights yet. I am sure we will see changes to complement the above, which I will post here as as notice them.

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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

I forgot to mention that the current flight numbers which are based on the day of operation will be gone, and now numbers are assigned based on the flight/city only.

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Beirut is back up to 3x weekly B737-700.  Smile


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5119 times:

so the ADD-LOS had decreased from 10weekly to daily? but this time providing a LOS dedicated service


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Any news on Addis - Accra - Washington ?

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
so the ADD-LOS had decreased from 10weekly to daily? but this time providing a LOS dedicated service

Yes, daily to LOS. This in fact maintains, if not increases the capacity to that city, as out of the current 10x week, 7 of them continue on to either Accra, Lome or Abidjan.

Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
Any news on Addis - Accra - Washington ?

No news. IAD still routes through FCO.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4800 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

No news on ETs Far East Asia and India routes???

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
- Amsterdam retains 2x per week, both via Rome, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at AMS.

Although I can see the logic for this (getting connections at ADD to ACC/LOS ex AMS), I wonder if this underutilisation of the 757 is a wise thing. As far as I can see it it will be at AMS from 07:20 till 22:30, something which isn't cheap.

BTW I reckon that hereby the slot request for the third weekly flight to AMS will be returned?


User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

man...i wonder how their HKG route is doing ? with Stiff competation from both EK and KQ.....is ET running at full capacity on this route ?

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
No news on ETs Far East Asia and India routes???

No news. No changes noticed on scheds.

Quoting LJ (Reply 7):
Although I can see the logic for this (getting connections at ADD to ACC/LOS ex AMS), I wonder if this underutilisation of the 757 is a wise thing. As far as I can see it it will be at AMS from 07:20 till 22:30, something which isn't cheap.

True, but same can be said about many other airlines who do the same, leaving their aircraft standing still all day: SAA does it at a number of European airports, KQ does it at AMS and LHR, and almost all European carriers do it at JNB. What's more important is that the flights are operated in such way that connections are streamlined - if the 752 returns to Addis at 3AM and no other flights are due to leave soone thereafter, what's the point?

Quoting Omoo (Reply 8):
man...i wonder how their HKG route is doing ? with Stiff competation from both EK and KQ.....is ET running at full capacity on this route ?

I hear HKG is strong for all three airlines, and that it is quite hard to find seats on ADD-HKG. Apparently, it is easier for Africans to go to HKG and CAN than to BKK nowadays, folloing the Thai government's restrictions on visa-on-arrival and the lack of Thai embassies in Africa (only a few) - quite stupid if you ask me. Also, cargo and excess luggage on HKG is quite big (African merchants tend to carry their stuff back with themselves, as opposed to shipping it!), so pax numbers are not a good figure to determine how well the airlines are doing on these routes.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

And more additions which appear to cover the rest of the network...

- Nairobi goes 2x per day solid, on 73Ws. First flight in the morning (for connections from Europe), second flight leaving in mid afternoon and in the evening for midnight connections to Europe.

- Entebbe goes daily, 6x on 73Ws and 1x on 752. Leaving ADD in the morning, in the evening. All flights nonstop, meaning no more NBO-EBB-NBO

- Kilimanjaro goes daily, with a mix of 73Ws and 752s. Leaving ADD in the morning, in the evening. All flights nonstop.

- Dar Es Salaam goes daily as well, with a mix of 73Ws and 752s. Leaving ADD in the morning, in the evening. All flights make a stop at Kilimanjaro.

- Lilongwe goes daily as well, with a mix of 73Ws and 752s. Leaving ADD in the morning, in the evening. Flights are a mix of nonstop and one-stop.

- Harare goes 6x per week, with a mix of 73Ws and 752s. Mostly leaving ADD in the morning, returning in the evening. Mix of nonstops and one stops - triangle routes.

- Lusaka goes 3x per week (a decline?) with 73Ws. Appears to be on triangle route with Harare. All leave ADD in the morning, returning in the evening.

- Johannesburg remains at 4x per week, with an upgrade to 763s from 73Ws. Flights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening.

- Luanda goes 2x per week, on 763s. Flights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening. Great improvement for this route, since currently, leaves at around 3AM like all African routes, but gets back into ADD by 5PM for 10PM to midnight connections. Probably has to do with security and high cost. New schedule only allows for 1.5 hours on the ground at LAD, and excellent connections.

- Kinshasa goes 4x per week nonstop, on 763s. Flights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening.

- Brazaville goes 4x per week, on 763s. Flights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening. This is an extension to the Kinshasa flights.

- Kigali goes 5x per week nonstop, with a mix of 763s and 73Ws. Flights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening.

- Bujumbura goes 5x per weekFlights will now leave in the morning, returning in the evening. This is an extension to the Kigali flights, and operates a triangle route.

- Bangkok maintains daily flights. However, flights will now leave ADD at 1:20AM, and arrive back to ADD at 6:30AM for morning connections to African cities. 763s will of course grace this route. Four of these flights continue on to Hong Kong, the rest to Guangzhou.

- Delhi retains 3x per week, but now leaves close to 1AM and returns to ADD early in the morning, around 7AM, for morning connections. Flights operated by 763s.

- Beijing retains 3x per week, and remains as the extension to Delhi.

- Bombay remains at 4x per week with a mix of 763s and 752s (from current 752s only). Leaves around same time as Beijing and Bangkok, and returns early in the morning for connections.


User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
I hear HKG is strong for all three airlines, and that it is quite hard to find seats on ADD-HKG. Apparently, it is easier for Africans to go to HKG and CAN than to BKK nowadays, folloing the Thai government's restrictions on visa-on-arrival and the lack of Thai embassies in Africa (only a few) - quite stupid if you ask me. Also, cargo and excess luggage on HKG is quite big (African merchants tend to carry their stuff back with themselves, as opposed to shipping it!), so pax numbers are not a good figure to determine how well the airlines are doing on these routes.

HKG and CAN (or China in General) Have Visa Waiver agreements with quite a few African countries. The Waivers are pretty extensive in terms of # of days. For example for Tanzanian and Kenyan Nationals its 90 days, while Uganda is 30 days.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

ETstar,

I noticed ET is changing the times of their Beirut flight.

Currently the flight arrives in Beirut at 4:30AM and then departs at 6:55PM the same day, so that's a 14 hour 25 minute layover!

With the start of the winter schedule, the flight will arrive in Beirut at 3:15AM and depart at 4:00AM the same day making it only a 45 minute layover.

For what connections are the current Beirut flights timed for? What connections will the Beirut flights be timed for with the start of the winter schedule?

It's really great to see that ET is marketting connections throughout Africa. When did ET decide it wants to cater the entire African continent and not simply Ethiopia?

This excellent business model has certainly allowed them to grow significantly and improve their product.

This was a nice article and I'm sure you would enjoy it:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200507150419.html

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 12):

For what connections are the current Beirut flights timed for? What connections will the Beirut flights be timed for with the start of the winter schedule?

BA, having looked at the new flights to BEY, it looks like the connections that it is suited for are east and south Africa, as west African flights leave ADD between 800 and 900. Also, it allows for more agreeable departure and arrival times for O&D, since there are a lot of Ethiopian immigrant workers in Lebanon (btw, ET Cargo does 5x BEY-ADD on the way back from BRU - I wonder what there is to bring home from BEY. ET Cargo to BRU operates daily.)

Quoting BA (Reply 12):

It's really great to see that ET is marketting connections throughout Africa. When did ET decide it wants to cater the entire African continent and not simply Ethiopia?

I think it all started with the pan-Africanism during the last Emperor's era (ET was started up during the same era as well), and I guess it was carried on due ot the lack of service throughout the continent. There are many cities that were discontinued over the decades, and ET used to be present in the skies of Monrovia, Conakry, Niamey, Ouagadougou, Mogadishu, Mombasa, (Benghazi?) in earlier years, and Dakar, Maputo, Kano, Durban, Zanzibar in more recent years. Douala is the only one that has come back online recently after being discontinued.

[Edited 2005-08-14 06:48:17]

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

ETstar,

Wow, I had no idea ET Cargo is flying to Beirut. When did they start?

5x a week is quite a bit for cargo flights...

I found this, but it is valid until April 30 of this year only. Maybe it is different now?

The strange thing is it doesn't display the outbound schedule of the 757F, only the inbound.

Best of luck to Ethiopian Airlines.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

- LHR flights, while they make a stop at FCO outbound, return to ADD nonstop overnight.

User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

I live in Washington and I am thinking of scheduling a flight to Rome for the spring time, is it possible to take Ethiopian from IAD to Rome? How is their service and what are their 763 like? I always see them parked at IAD and it seems like a nice livery.


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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Quoting SkyHigh777 (Reply 16):

I live in Washington and I am thinking of scheduling a flight to Rome for the spring time, is it possible to take Ethiopian from IAD to Rome? How is their service and what are their 763 like? I always see them parked at IAD and it seems like a nice livery.

Service is great, 763s are nice too, the latest deliveries with PTVs, and all with 2-class service. Unfortuneately, no fifth freedom IAD-FCO, so you will not be able to fly ET. It would have been great if they had it considering no US or Italian carriers fly that route. It's now been almost 7 years since they started up the route.


User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

That's a shame I can't get them to Rome, hopefully I can someday fly them to ADD, that would be a great trip!!

SkyHigh777



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
- Cairo retains 3x per week, via Khartoum on 73Ws. Outbound and inbound will be during the day, leaving ADD in the morning, returning the same night.

Horus should be happy now that ET is actually increasing service to CAI, from the current 3x to 5x per week. Three flights will fly to and from during daylight hours via Khartoum, while the two will be nonstop overnight for early morning return to ADD.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

The ET flights to Tel Aviv are now nonstop B737s. They used to be one stop B757s via Cairo and then were via Larnaca.

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 20):
The ET flights to Tel Aviv are now nonstop B737s. They used to be one stop B757s via Cairo and then were via Larnaca.

I do not recall CAI, but LCA was used for a short while. At least last couple of years however has been nonstop... and increasing as of next season


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

I thought I'd not open a new thread for this since it really is not earth shatterng, but The Reporter reported on August 20th that ET's CEO Girma Wake went on the record stating "It may not be commendable to operate one brand of jets and we are undertaking a preliminary study that would enable us to diversify our fleet" ... and that negotiations are ongoing with Lufthansa on the preconditions for the forging of partnerships.

Also, ET is selling DHC-6s, if anyone is looking to buy  Smile


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting ETStar (Thread starter):
- Frankfurt and Paris get 3x per week, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at CDG.

- Amsterdam retains 2x per week, both via Rome, leaving ADD overnight, returning the next day overnight: aircraft will be parked all day at AMS.

Doesn't the FRA flight continue to AMS? If not, is the plane parked here in FRA for the day as well?

I also remember that the FRA flights used to continue to CPH for a while, not sure if or when that stopped...

Thanks for the schedule news in any case!!!

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 23):
I also remember that the FRA flights used to continue to CPH for a while, not sure if or when that stopped...

ET moved operations from CPH to ARN. All ARN and AMS flights operate via FCO.

On a side note, the flight to CAN must be doing well. I noticed on the KQ site that they are dropping PVG in favor of CAN. Anyone have any insight?

And more on KQ... How can their flight to IST possibly be doing well? Can there be a market from Africa to IST?


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Flights to FRA continue to CDG. The plane will be parked in CDG for the whole day. Not surprising that KQ is dropping PVG in favor of CAN. ET started with 1x week to CAN then upgraded to 2x a week and quickly to 3x. Now in december it will be upgraded to 4x a week and flights are always full.

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